Hillary Clinton Sees Continued Weakness With White Voters

[Omaha Steve]

Source: WSJ

By PETER NICHOLAS

Hillary Clinton is riding a wave of encouraging poll numbers coming off her performance at the Democratic debate last week, shoring up her status as the Democratic presidential front-runner.

However well-positioned she may be in the Democratic field, a deeper look at the numbers shows some potential vulnerabilities for Mrs. Clinton in a general election in November 2016.

Consider white voters.

The latest Wall Street Journal-NBC News poll shows that 64% of white men have an unfavorable view of Mrs. Clinton, compared with just 26% who see her in a favorable light. Those numbers are moving in the wrong direction for Mrs. Clinton. In September, the Journal poll showed 59% of white men had a negative view of her.

FULL story at link.



Read more: http://blogs.wsj.com/washwire/2015/10/21/hillary-clintons-poll-numbers-show-possible-problems-in-a-general-election/?mod=blog_flyover

[olddots]

1. geez Rupert you have gone too far

this is baffling .

[lewebley3]

53. Who are cares or reads WSJ about Dem's: WSJ are GOP people

[bluestateguy]

2. If you take away the white male vote, Obama won the last 2 elections by landslide margins

And actually, John Kerry too.

[Lychee2]

7. It's not just white men who dislike her. White women do too.

From the article:

The Journal poll showed that 38% of white women see Mrs. Clinton in a favorable light, versus 49% who hold a negative view of her.

You should try reading the actual article sometime. Then there would be some ridiculous things that you would not say.

[geek tragedy]

29. That's better than Obama did in 2012. I support Sanders, but your race-baiting here

is nauseating, and certainly seems in line with your support of Trey Gowdy and your promotion of that ghoulish Benghazi ad.

[Lychee2]

46. Your continuous attacks and false accusations are tiresome.

Now quit stalking me. I believe there are rules against that.

[geek tragedy]

47. stop posting bullshit in this thread, and I will stop pointing out that it is bullshit nt

[Faux pas]

42. I'm one and I'm not the

only one I know.

[lewebley3]

54. This is GOP a attack on Women not just Hillary

Last edited Fri Oct 23, 2015, 12:51 PM - Edit history (2)

I come from a large Irish family, are white males are
for the Dem's: They are voting for Hillary, and Tammy Duckworth,
we have all give a little money to both campaigns.

[Lychee2]

56. Is English your native language?

If you really are Irish, it should be. But your headline is incomprehensible.

[lewebley3]

70. You understood it!

[oldandhappy]

3. maybe the weakness is in the white male voter??

[Lychee2]

9. White women must have a similar weakness, then.

From the article:

The Journal poll showed that 38% of white women see Mrs. Clinton in a favorable light, versus 49% who hold a negative view of her.

But then, you don't read articles, do you?

[oldandhappy]

12. sometimes yes, sometimes no!

[geek tragedy]

15. Yes, white people are generally rightwing when it comes to voting

this is an empirical fact.

white women voted for Romney over Obama 56-42

[PotatoChip]

40. Not this white woman.

I'm a proud progressive, and always have been.

Additionally, I not only voted for Obama in both general elections, but also caucused and voted for him in the 2008 Primary. Incidentally, Obama got nearly 60% of the 2008 primary vote here in Maine- which happens to be the whitest state in the nation. Vermont being the 2nd whitest state, was also nearly 60% in the primary vote for Obama.

-Just saying...

[geek tragedy]

41. I'm a white male, so I can certainly agree with you that it's not like all members

of our demographic are that way.

But, when the votes are counted, we're in the minority within our own demographic.

[PotatoChip]

43. Yes, I know you know.

I didn't mean to appear to be jumping on you. I know that you are just being the messenger.

[geek tragedy]

44. it is easy to slip into "white people xyz" proclamations without

recognizing that there is significant dissent within that demographic, though. one of the dangers of using numbers to describe human behavior

peace

[PotatoChip]

45. True, that. (nt)

[geek tragedy]

4. white men are overwhelmingly Republican, they voted 62-35

in favor Romney over Obama in 2012.

[Lychee2]

10. It's not just about white men. White women don't like her either.

From the article:

The Journal poll showed that 38% of white women see Mrs. Clinton in a favorable light, versus 49% who hold a negative view of her.

[geek tragedy]

24. That's better than Obama did in 2012. nt

[LanternWaste]

57. I think you should post that thirteen more times in this thread...

I think you should post that thirteen more times in this thread... just to be on the safe side.

[NonMetro]

5. And 49% Of White Women Have An Unfavorable View Of Her?

Not good! Bye-bye White House if women continue to jump ship.

[geek tragedy]

6. You know there are non-white women in this country, right? nt

[1StrongBlackMan]

8. That, and ...

the "Unfavorable view" metric does not equal "Continu(ing) to jump ship."

[NonMetro]

14. Yup.

But this is also a demographic she needs to carry to win, and she's supposed to be strong among all women. Doesn't look like it! I mean, first the Democrats write off white men - who needs their votes? - then we write off Southern Whites as a bunch of racists - who needs their votes? - so now we're going to write off white women? Who are we going to write off next?

And yet people wonder why Republicans have 31 governorships, control 2/3's of state houses - nearly half where they have both houses - and have the largest majorities in congress since the 1920's.

[geek tragedy]

17. No she does not need to win white women to win the election. That's mathematically false

Obama lost white men 62-35
Obama lost white women 56-42

and he still kicked Mitt Romney's ass.

[NonMetro]

20. OK, so let's write off white women!

Who needs their votes? Not us. That's for sure!

[geek tragedy]

22. Logical fallacy: strawman argument nt

[Lychee2]

30. Do you have a source for your statistics?

[geek tragedy]

34. This is common knowledge. Google it for yourself and learn something

You are peddling race-baiting and ignorance

[Dawgs]

49. But Obama had a large voter turnout from AA's and Millennials.

Do you really expect the same for Hillary?

[Lychee2]

25. So Hillary can win without white women?

Really?

[geek tragedy]

26. Yes, she can win without winning a majority of white women's votes.

White people are not the only voters in the US. You keep forgetting that.

Obama did despite losing amongst white women 56-42.

Obviously, she needs a certain % of white voters, but everyone already knew that.

If she wins 40-41% of white voters, she'll win the general election easily.

[Lychee2]

32. Do you have a source for your statistics?

[geek tragedy]

35. It is apparent you know virtually nothing about how elections are won in the United States.

You need to become better informed and educated before you're really qualified to discuss this subject with intelligent people

[Lychee2]

36. By your own claims, she needs white voters to win. A lot of them

That is not a surprising fact, but an important one, which you seem to conveniently "forget."

[geek tragedy]

37. She will get a lot of them. 40% of white voters is a lot of voters.

She will not get a majority of white voters, or of white women voters.

She does not need to. She needs a majority of ALL voters.

[Kingofalldems]

64. Sir, are you a republican by any chance?

[Walk away]

11. And yet she is still winning with an enormous lead!

I guess there just aren't as many White men as there used to be!

[Erich Bloodaxe BSN]

16. This is pointing out a vulnerability in the general, not the primary. nt

[Fred Sanders]

13. Conclusion: who needs white male voters? I would suggest a not-Southern strategy is a winner.

Poor Rupert Murodch just lost a great friend and liar-buddy in Canada, and in
Australia recently as well. And now to lose America to a black man and then a woman? The old man must realize the propaganda is no longer working?

What if the white male voter can no longer be trusted to voted stupidly, then what?

Hard times for the world-famous propagandist and fascism-lover.

[NonMetro]

19. Who needs white women voters?

I think we should also make it clear to them that they're not welcome in our party, either. Don't you?

[Fred Sanders]

23. New poster, you have to give DU members more credit for their intelligence than that! Try again?

This is not Huff Post!

[NonMetro]

50. New Poster? Guilty! Insulting intelligence of DU members? Not Guilty!

This is politics. You said "Conclusion: who needs white male voters? " Democrats - and although I plead guilty to being a new poster here - I am a life long Democrat, and I want to see our nominee win, and I'm sure everyone else does, too. Well, it's not going to happen if we keep telling one group after another that they're not important to us. Maybe next time 75% of white males will vote against our candidate, or 80%. Maybe white females, who are not that "important" to us anymore, either, will vote for the Republicans in higher percentages, too!

And maybe in 2016 Republicans will win the presidency, increase their majorities in both houses of congress, and have 40 instead of 31 governorships!

Now, let me know again if I did not give proper credit to the intelligence of others!

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. I'm starting to notice something ...

When major media outlets (such as the WSJ) put out commentary "analyzing" polling results, and title the commentary with a negative spin, without a link to the actual poll ... the commentary is likely to be spin to support the negative commentary.

It's a lot like sending a picture of a rainy day and telling them that it's raining ... without noting that at that moment, it's not raining and the sun is shining.

[Fred Sanders]

27. For me as soon as the WSJ is mentioned I know it is propaganda and spin...and no link because

then WSJ/Fox readers might be tempted to think for themselves.

[Baitball Blogger]

21. Democrats will never win the white male vote.

That is a pool of voters that are notoriously resistant to diversity and anything else that threatens their authoritay.

[Lychee2]

28. White women don't like Hillary either.

The Journal poll showed that 38% of white women see Mrs. Clinton in a favorable light, versus 49% who hold a negative view of her.

So I guess that means Democrats will "never win" with Hillary as the candidate?

[geek tragedy]

31. Why do you think white people are the only voters that count? nt

[Lychee2]

38. Straw man. And you know it.

I never said that. And you know it.

[geek tragedy]

39. your previous post stated Clinton democrats won't win if they can't win white women

as a group

The Journal poll showed that 38% of white women see Mrs. Clinton in a favorable light, versus 49% who hold a negative view of her.

So I guess that means Democrats will "never win" with Hillary as the candidate?

you wrote that.

Democrats can WIN the election while LOSING white women and white men voters.

[NonMetro]

60. So, the election was already held and we won?

And we didn't need this group or that group to do it. We had it in the bag all along!

BTW, when did the results come in? I seem to have missed the official announcement that Hillary Clinton is the new President. Yippee!

[geek tragedy]

61. Logical fallacy: strawman argument.

No one is saying the election is wrapped up, or that we don't need any white voters.

What people are saying is the simple, indisputable truth that Democrats can win the national election while not winning the majority of white voters.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

58. Not the only ones to count, but the last census put non-hispanic whites at 63.7 %

Non-Hispanic Black or African American - 12.2%
Non-Hispanic Asian - 4.7%
Hispanic or Latino - 16.4%

[geek tragedy]

59. Obama lost white voters big time

and still kicked McCain and Romney like they were soccer balls.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

62. I'm not worried - there is a right-wing conspiracy to silence Bernie

But in the end, due to social media, the corporate media will be neutered.

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

65. Well, as you know the census data has no relationship to the numbers that actually take their vote

seriously and use it judiciously.

[geek tragedy]

66. I'm talking about actual voters. About whom are you talking? nt

[Elmer S. E. Dump]

67. You responded to my post about the census. Not sure what you are talking about.

Let's just leave it at that.

[JI7]

68. she is still doing better with white women than Obama. And Obama WON

[RandySF]

33. Name a Dem who hasn't in the last 40 years.

If only whites voted, the Republicans would be least of our worries.

[Historic NY]

48. WE haven't even had one primary vote cast yet....

its like trying to fish w/o bait.

[aceofblades]

51. This can make for interesting discussion but

I think it is somewhat problematic to extrapolate too much from this when it is comparing exit polls among those who voted to a random sample of , presumably, registered voters(not "likely" voters or those that have actually voted)

[JoePhilly]

52. Not with this one.

[Cerridwen]

55. Democrats or republicans? Edit for link to poll results.

Kinda weird they don't differentiate. I wonder what the actual results indicate broken down by party and so on.


eta: direct link to poll results: http://www.wsj.com/public/resources/documents/NBCWSJOct2015PollFinal.pdf

[Enrique]

63. she needs to reach out to the white community

maybe a speech at an Historically White College

[TexasBushwhacker]

69. Frankly, I don't give a shit what what white Republicans

think. I've never understood all the hate directed at the Clintons, Hillary or Bill, but I acknowledge it's there. That's why I'm concerned about whether she can win the GE. Nevertheless, Obama did just fine without the majority of the white male vote.