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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,265 posts)
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:56 AM Oct 2015

Top 100 CEO Retirement Savings Equals 41% of U.S. Families

Source: Bloomberg Business

by Jesse Drucker Carol Hymowitz Caleb Melby
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October 28, 2015 — 12:01 AM EDT

CEOs' $4.9 billion in excess of 116 million people's accounts

Former Yum CEO Novak tops list with $234.2 million in savings

The retirement savings accumulated by just 100 chief executives are equal to the entire retirement accounts of 41 percent of U.S. families -- or more than 116 million people, a new study finds.

In a report scheduled for release today, the Center for Effective Government and Institute for Policy Studies found that the 100 largest chief executive retirement funds are worth an average of about $49.3 million per executive, or a combined $4.9 billion. David C. Novak, the recently departed chief executive officer of Yum! Brands Inc., is at the top of the list, with total retirement savings of $234.2 million.

In recent years, pay and income inequality across different income groups have received increasing attention in the U.S. Significantly less attention has been focused on the growing gulf in retirement savings, a lack of focus that the study’s authors say they are attempting to address.

“This CEO-to-worker retirement gap is a lot bigger than the pay gap and one more indicator of the extreme level of inequality that is really tearing the country apart,” said Sarah Anderson, the report’s co-author and the global economy project director at the Institute for Policy Studies.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-10-28/top-100-ceo-retirement-savings-equals-41-of-u-s-families

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Top 100 CEO Retirement Savings Equals 41% of U.S. Families (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Oct 2015 OP
What they forget to mention is that over two hundred million of that 59% that's left have nothing, jtuck004 Oct 2015 #1
A small excerpt from "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens Glorfindel Oct 2015 #3
It past time for the workers to unite and revolt and reclaim the money that was stolen from them. olegramps Oct 2015 #11
"The road map for this was clearly laid out by FDR." > That's just a map to get back to where we are jtuck004 Oct 2015 #12
Many came before Roosevelt and led the way in that we can agree. olegramps Nov 2015 #30
It was his wife that deserves the credit. Nearly all of the impetus for that came from her. That jtuck004 Nov 2015 #32
Not to mention that the CEO's also have generaous retirement pensions, part-time "consulting", etc. SharonAnn Oct 2015 #16
great post uawchild Oct 2015 #2
Maybe it's time to consider a wealth tax. Scuba Oct 2015 #4
How exactly would that work? Rond Vidar Oct 2015 #5
Simple. Just tax and tax and tax them until they're only fabulously wealthy. Scuba Oct 2015 #6
A wealth tax isn't the same as an income tax. Are you proposing taxing assets, or just income? Rond Vidar Oct 2015 #7
A wealth tax would apply to assets. A tax on income is referred to as "income tax." Scuba Oct 2015 #8
Yes, so I repeat the question. How exactly would you tax wealth? Rond Vidar Oct 2015 #9
I don't have a plan, but we could perhaps start with those corporations/individuals who are ... Scuba Oct 2015 #10
I basically agree with a "wealth tax," although the amount is important because paper "wealth" Hoyt Oct 2015 #26
I'd begin with off-shore accounts in Caymans, Bermuda, Switzerland. mpcamb Oct 2015 #28
The first and most effective method would be strick limitation of inheritance of wealth. olegramps Nov 2015 #31
Nationalize the banks. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #14
Happier than the thousands who would be beheaded under your proposal, certainly. Rond Vidar Oct 2015 #17
Well, since you're treating it like a mystery. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #19
All I wanted to hear was a simple explanation of exactly what sort of wealth tax was being proposed. Rond Vidar Oct 2015 #21
Because your pretending to be dense is annoying. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #22
+1. Kind of sad that those types aren't very slick anymore. closeupready Oct 2015 #24
I'm not aware of any pretense on my part. Rond Vidar Oct 2015 #25
Very pious of you. JackRiddler Oct 2015 #27
This is great news! JackRiddler Oct 2015 #13
"retirement savings", lol Enrique Oct 2015 #15
Saw the whole interveiw this morning on Bloomberg... Gloria Oct 2015 #18
You're just pushing class warfare! Release The Hounds Oct 2015 #20
"POLITICS OF ENVY!!12!!!!*" HughBeaumont Oct 2015 #29
Disgusting alcibiades_mystery Oct 2015 #23
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
1. What they forget to mention is that over two hundred million of that 59% that's left have nothing,
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:03 AM
Oct 2015

because the politicians have let business steal from labor for the past decades, including this one, so they can then tell us there isn't enough social security.

I am tired of lying, thieving,backstabbing politicians.

It's time for a bigger change than we even have on the table.

Glorfindel

(9,714 posts)
3. A small excerpt from "A Tale of Two Cities" by Charles Dickens
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:19 AM
Oct 2015

"France, less favoured on the whole as to matters spiritual than her sister of the shield and trident, rolled with exceeding smoothness down hill, making paper money and spending it. Under the guidance of her Christian pastors, she entertained herself, besides, with such humane achievements as sentencing a youth to have his hands cut off, his tongue torn out with pincers, and his body burned alive, because he had not kneeled down in the rain to do honour to a dirty procession of monks which passed within his view, at a distance of some fifty or sixty yards.

"It is likely enough that, rooted in the woods of France and Norway, there were growing trees, when that sufferer was put to death, already marked by the Woodman, Fate, to come down and be sawn into boards, to make a certain movable framework with a sack and a knife in it, terrible in history. It is likely enough that in the rough outhouses of some tillers of the heavy lands adjacent to Paris, there were sheltered from the weather that very day, rude carts, bespattered with rustic mire, snuffed about by pigs, and roosted in by poultry, which the Farmer, Death, had already set apart to be his tumbrils of the Revolution.

" But that Woodman and that Farmer, though they work unceasingly, work silently, and no one heard them as they went about with muffled tread: the rather, forasmuch as to entertain any suspicion that they were awake, was to be atheistical and traitorous."

It is way, way past time for a bigger change than we even have on the table.

olegramps

(8,200 posts)
11. It past time for the workers to unite and revolt and reclaim the money that was stolen from them.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:23 PM
Oct 2015

The modus operandi for this to take place is very simple. Unionize. The road map for this was clearly laid out by FDR. Impose 90% income taxes on the wealthy and confiscate the money they stole by cutting the amount that can be inherited to a minimum. Pass laws and fine corporations for banking billions in phony overseas banks. Impose SS taxes on all income with no cutoff. It is a damn rip off that millionaires only pay a infinitesimal fraction of what that steal into SS while the working class contribute a significant portion of their pay for the same benefits. If you really wants to stop illegal immigration start with those who over stay their visas and impose stiff fines on anyone who knowingly hires illegal immigrants. The Republicans in typical hypocritical fashion, scream about illegal immigration but are not about to punish the wealthy for exploiting them.

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
12. "The road map for this was clearly laid out by FDR." > That's just a map to get back to where we are
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:55 PM
Oct 2015

fyi - If I had a religion, it would be the IWW.

We need an industrial union. 1. It will control the work and assets. The members can buy or own or ?, but they control the work.

Too many people forget that the reason we got the milk toast changes of FDR (those that business LET him have) was because of the struggle of those prior to FDR.

That is partly by design. Most people's schooling starts with FDR because they don't want to teach you that there were Americans who thought they should control their own work, and that the government helped kill them off.

Mother Jones, Big Bill Haywood, James J. Matles, and many others envisioned a time when workers would control their work. They rejected socialism and communism (these things are recorded in their words, in their biographies at your local university library - with letters of complaint from the communist organizers back to Russia - lol), and they didn't want the horrors that unrestrained capitalism benefitting the few (as we have today) had visited upon us. They came to the realization that ownership would have to be part of it. They talk about not having come up with the answer before the government killed them off. Maybe it would have meant cooperatives, like that developed in Spain in the 50s (Mondragon).

Around 1913 the Walsh Commission met to study work conditions. Testimony was given by Haywood, Mother Jones, and others (good stuff). One of the things that came out of it was a back-of-the-napkin calculation of the amount of money business was spending on spies, assassins, politicians, and police, dirty tricks, etc.

`$80 million a year was his calculation. That was in 1913. Try that in an inflation calculator, and reflect on whether you think business is spending less or more to get their way today.

They used it to conspire with the government and the AF of L, the "business union" (Mother Jones might have spit on the ground with that one, after they got her 60 year old body thrown in jail), and to jail or kill off unions and union members using a variety of excuses, with their opposition to WWI being the last major one.

The IWW was fighting for freedom. When they quit, we lost. They quit fighting because business, the government, and the business union conspired to defeat them.

But mostly they lost because that conspiracy had convinced a majority of the American people that a little comfort at work was better than fighting for freedom.

Until that comes back, this is all just Dancing with the Stars.


olegramps

(8,200 posts)
30. Many came before Roosevelt and led the way in that we can agree.
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 10:14 AM
Nov 2015

But also give Roosevelt credit for his accomplishments. The 40-hour work week, abolishment of child labor, mandatory education of children, Social Security, FDA...need I go on?

 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
32. It was his wife that deserves the credit. Nearly all of the impetus for that came from her. That
Mon Nov 2, 2015, 11:06 AM
Nov 2015

aside, it's still a road map for failure. Nothing in that says we would go a different direction from exactly where we are toda
If it had not been for the people who died to get there, most all of which is no longer in our lying textbooks (can't have the people getting uppity and thinking they should have freedom, eh?), virtually none of the so-called reforms would never have happened, reforms that are only seen as that on this side of history. The same things would have been called defeat prior to people wanting to be patted on the back for such a weak effort - efforts which mostly kept business profitable, without giving up control.

Like any good plantation.

The progressive era ended before that. The use of the word after that is mostly subterfuge, and marketing.

One should read the words of Mother Jones and others who tell how the two-faced AF of L, being a business union, worked in league with the government and business unions to kill off the IWW and the industrial unions, those who allowed women and black folks in their ranks, and leave us with the system wherein people can pretend they aren't slaves, with two-faced unions pretending they are there for the workers, while doing the bidding of the business.

It was, and is, a system which throws scraps to people and pretends they taste like freedom. Like a modern plantation, we stand as evidence that you don't need chains, you just need to control their minds.

It's just too profitable for politicians and others to be cowards, as Jay Gould pointed out.

If we do the same things again, we will wind up exactly where we are now. It would be slightly deranged not to think so.

SharonAnn

(13,771 posts)
16. Not to mention that the CEO's also have generaous retirement pensions, part-time "consulting", etc.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:19 PM
Oct 2015

So they will have very generous incomes after their "retirement" and will probably never need to touch their savings. They can just pass it down, tax-free, to their heirs.

 

Rond Vidar

(64 posts)
9. Yes, so I repeat the question. How exactly would you tax wealth?
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:55 PM
Oct 2015

Would you have the federal government take (just to pick a number) 1% of the assets owned by anyone over a certain wealth threshold each year?

 

Scuba

(53,475 posts)
10. I don't have a plan, but we could perhaps start with those corporations/individuals who are ...
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:56 PM
Oct 2015

... hiding profits overseas. Then yeah, seems like any wealth over, say, $100 million could be taxed at, say, 50%. Doing this just once would raise a helluva lot of revenue.

 

Hoyt

(54,770 posts)
26. I basically agree with a "wealth tax," although the amount is important because paper "wealth"
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 02:24 AM
Oct 2015

could evaporate overnight if too much is taxed, not to mention impact future growth. But the basic idea is sound, IMO.

mpcamb

(2,868 posts)
28. I'd begin with off-shore accounts in Caymans, Bermuda, Switzerland.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 08:38 AM
Oct 2015

Tax 'em and double it if they've given up their American citizenship.

http://www.theatlantic.com/business/archive/2015/10/elite-wealth-management/410842/

Add Dublin, Mauritania, Belize to the list.

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
14. Nationalize the banks.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 06:07 PM
Oct 2015

Mass seizure of all property over $10 million individual wealth by market prices one year prior to the seizure.

Show trials for all bankers, billionaires, corporate chiefs, hedge fund managers, ratings agency executives.

Special one-time reintroduction of the guillotine for beheading the lucky 10,000.

There, you happy?

 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
19. Well, since you're treating it like a mystery.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:00 PM
Oct 2015

A wealth tax is not hard to understand, but I thought I'd give you what you probably wanted to hear.

 

Rond Vidar

(64 posts)
21. All I wanted to hear was a simple explanation of exactly what sort of wealth tax was being proposed.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 11:15 PM
Oct 2015
A wealth tax is not hard to understand, but I thought I'd give you what you probably wanted to hear.

And you thought that your, er....interesting proposal was that....why?
 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
24. +1. Kind of sad that those types aren't very slick anymore.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 12:02 AM
Oct 2015

Or maybe they don't seem to be because we've been at this for a while longer...?

 

Rond Vidar

(64 posts)
25. I'm not aware of any pretense on my part.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 12:53 AM
Oct 2015


Also, there's no limit to fantasy.

Fantasizing about cutting off the heads of thousands of people doesn't turn my crank, but if that's your thing...

Well, to each their own, I say.
 

JackRiddler

(24,979 posts)
27. Very pious of you.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 07:12 AM
Oct 2015

Let's fantasize instead that the rich created their own wealth, and that we live at their expense.

I don't want to cut off anyone's head. I'm just serving up the fantasy image you seem to want in advocates of a wealth tax.

Gloria

(17,663 posts)
18. Saw the whole interveiw this morning on Bloomberg...
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 08:01 PM
Oct 2015

And that isn't even counting those who have nothing or very little...the 41% are the ones lucky enough to have some sort of retirement account...

The upcoming generations will be in a "retirement depression."

HughBeaumont

(24,461 posts)
29. "POLITICS OF ENVY!!12!!!!*"
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 09:30 AM
Oct 2015

* - Only applies to concerned citizens taking wealthy people to task for their extreme wealth and underpayment of taxes via legislation and insider lobbying. NEVER applies to Republicans yapping on and on about "welfare queens" and the supposed high-on-the-hog benefits the poor allegedly get.

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