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elleng

(130,766 posts)
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:30 PM Oct 2015

South Carolina Deputy Fired Over Student Confrontation.

Source: nyt

A South Carolina sheriff said Wednesday that he had fired a white deputy who was caught on video grabbing an African-American student, flipping her backward as she sat at her desk, then dragging and throwing her across the floor as he tried to remove her from the classroom.

The Richland County deputy, Ben Fields, was dismissed after an internal investigation concluded that he had violated department standards, said the sheriff, Leon Lott. Deputy Fields, who had been assigned to Spring Valley High School, is also a subject of a federal civil rights inquiry that could lead to criminal charges.

“Deputy Fields did not follow proper training, did not follow proper procedure, when he threw the student across the room,” Sheriff Lott said at a news conference in Columbia.

Read more: http://www.nytimes.com/2015/10/29/us/south-carolina-deputy-ben-fields-fired.html?

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South Carolina Deputy Fired Over Student Confrontation. (Original Post) elleng Oct 2015 OP
These officers are supposed to be their to stop school shootings jwirr Oct 2015 #1
which they clearly don't do very well, elleng Oct 2015 #2
Exactly. jwirr Oct 2015 #3
That dreaded Mission Creep. ToxMarz Oct 2015 #5
The power of cell phones and social media . . . Journeyman Oct 2015 #4
Really. tabasco Oct 2015 #16
Nice. . . Journeyman Oct 2015 #17
note a couple items from the NY Times story NJCher Oct 2015 #6
Bet some cell phone will catch an officer doing something absolutely kind and helpful....just.not.. Tikki Oct 2015 #7
Why not let her sit in her chair and text her little heart out whil calling on her repeatly and Ed Suspicious Oct 2015 #12
While time is spent on this fruitless endeavor ... JustABozoOnThisBus Oct 2015 #13
'cuz NJCher Oct 2015 #23
If school policy is no cell phones in class, the teacher's hands are tied Feeling the Bern Oct 2015 #28
Her mother just died, turning her into an orphan. jeff47 Oct 2015 #26
As it should be. beevul Oct 2015 #8
I hope the student sues Deputy Fields and the school district. sinkingfeeling Oct 2015 #9
Steroids. No one will address the issue. Kingofalldems Oct 2015 #10
YES YES YES A MILLION TIMES YES! dorkzilla Oct 2015 #18
Silence from the "she had it coming"/"she wasn't respectful enough" crowd KeepItReal Oct 2015 #11
Someone on DU said she had it coming? Yikes! jalan48 Oct 2015 #14
I hope he doesn't go off and get hired by another force. marble falls Oct 2015 #15
if history holds true he will head to Denver and immediately begin hurting people TheSarcastinator Oct 2015 #20
I bet the laws here in Texas are even more forgiving. marble falls Oct 2015 #24
couldnt happen to a nicer guy Shankapotomus Oct 2015 #19
Good! stage left Oct 2015 #21
Big deal he was fired. Now did he lose his cop license or is he just going to a different city to classykaren Oct 2015 #22
Good. romanic Oct 2015 #25
Well, we could dig up the girl's recently-deceased mother jeff47 Oct 2015 #27
I was speaking in general. romanic Oct 2015 #29
I understand your comment, and you have a point NJCher Oct 2015 #30
These iphones are a form of gasoline on the fire. Elmergantry Oct 2015 #31

ToxMarz

(2,162 posts)
5. That dreaded Mission Creep.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:02 PM
Oct 2015

They are there, so why not use them for everything that is a little unpleasant. Why you shouldn't have guns in the house, you get mad and might use them in anger.

Journeyman

(15,026 posts)
4. The power of cell phones and social media . . .
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 12:49 PM
Oct 2015

We knew they would transform us, just had no idea how much.

NJCher

(35,622 posts)
6. note a couple items from the NY Times story
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:23 PM
Oct 2015

The deputy says he's sorry "the whole thing" happened. Well, the "whole thing" he's probably referring to is the fact that he was taped and got caught being a brutal sadist. (is that redundant? I think so) Sorry, not enough bad words for this guy.

The other item I wanted to mention is that the sheriff handled this well. He made his decision quickly, which I think is appreciated.

Oh, one more item: I think we need to hear from the student. I want to know why she refused to leave the class. If she was interested in texting over learning math, what's the problem? Why not just let her sit in a room and text her little heart out until she finally figures out she needs to know math? Sounds like a much easier way to approach the problem.

Oh, an btw, I am an educator--higher education--but I have worked with h.s. students in the past.

Ok, one more thing and I'll shut up: this cell phone thing with students is reaching a crisis point. This may be the incident, although at this point, it's shadowed by the police brutality issue.


Cher

Tikki

(14,549 posts)
7. Bet some cell phone will catch an officer doing something absolutely kind and helpful....just.not..
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 01:42 PM
Oct 2015

this guy.

His future looks dim.

Tikki

Ed Suspicious

(8,879 posts)
12. Why not let her sit in her chair and text her little heart out whil calling on her repeatly and
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:47 PM
Oct 2015

relentlessly until she changes
her behavior.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,325 posts)
13. While time is spent on this fruitless endeavor ...
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:51 PM
Oct 2015

... other students are not being taught.

Assuming that education is the goal. And it usually is.

NJCher

(35,622 posts)
23. 'cuz
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:42 PM
Oct 2015

they have no shame. They could care less if they don't know something. We're the only ones who think they should be industrious.

I happen to be in a position where I see them come full circle, as I've seen them goofing off in high school. I see them in the first few years of college, not taking any of it seriously.

Then, in my college-level adult evening courses, I see them when they finally shape up after getting hit upside the head by the competition in the work force.

Some people just mature late.


Cher

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
28. If school policy is no cell phones in class, the teacher's hands are tied
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:02 PM
Oct 2015

I have been lassoed into a write up or two based on that when I was a teacher. The Admin just says it is policy/

As admin now, I take it on a case by case basis, using the policy as a starting point.

 

beevul

(12,194 posts)
8. As it should be.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:10 PM
Oct 2015

Now the guy needs to be marked, so as never to be a LEO again.

No more than 1 chance should be given to abuse the public trust no matter who the individual is or what good he/she has previously done.

dorkzilla

(5,141 posts)
18. YES YES YES A MILLION TIMES YES!
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:20 PM
Oct 2015

I’ve said this before so excuse me for repeating--my brother is a retired LEO...nearly his entire department (including him) were powerlifters (all at the same gym) and they all used steroids. They were all in competition with each other to be the biggest, meanwhile it was making them crazier and crazier.

If we can/should test sports professionals for steroids I don’t know why a case couldn’t be made for also spot testing peace officers for steroids. They do get random drug tests, just add this to the mix.

KeepItReal

(7,769 posts)
11. Silence from the "she had it coming"/"she wasn't respectful enough" crowd
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 02:41 PM
Oct 2015

Can't believe there are folks like that on DU.

TheSarcastinator

(854 posts)
20. if history holds true he will head to Denver and immediately begin hurting people
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:26 PM
Oct 2015

and costing the taxpayers millions.

http://www.denverpost.com/news/ci_28952022/colorado-home-second-chance-police-officers-from-other

"In Colorado, where a criminal conviction is required to decertify a cop, an officer with a history in other states of lying under oath, past misconduct, even brutality is eligible to find work here.

Colorado's laws also provide little guidance to smaller, often rural, agencies struggling to find qualified applicants to patrol the streets. Unlike Arizona, which requires rigorous background investigations of those seeking police work, Colorado for the most part leaves the thoroughness of such investigations up to local authorities."

classykaren

(769 posts)
22. Big deal he was fired. Now did he lose his cop license or is he just going to a different city to
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 03:39 PM
Oct 2015

work as a cop?

romanic

(2,841 posts)
25. Good.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 04:35 PM
Oct 2015

His force was excessive for the situation.

I think there definitely needs to be some guideline as to what a SRO can do in school in terms of arresting someone (ie: students get into a fight or a student assaults a teacher). The girl clearly broke the rules but yanking her out of the desk was a too much and flinging her across the room was too much for the rule she broke.

I dunno but this goes deeper than having officers in schools, it's about these kids not being taught "respect" at home.

romanic

(2,841 posts)
29. I was speaking in general.
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 05:05 PM
Oct 2015

I already knew about the girl being an orphan. I was saying most kids in school that act up do so because they're either brought up in broken homes or neighborhoods with little to no economic opportunity.

NJCher

(35,622 posts)
30. I understand your comment, and you have a point
Wed Oct 28, 2015, 10:13 PM
Oct 2015

at least IMO.

In addition to the broken homes/neighborhoods, in many students' homes, there's no tradition of looking to books to solve problems or enrich one's life.

I'm not standing up for this student, but we have to be realistic about what we expect.

Furthermore, we have not acknowledged the subtleties of cell phone addiction. You think I'm kidding? I absolutely am not. I have been researching cell phone use and students for quite some time, and one reason I think they are so hooked on them is that this device provides some semblance of an emotional connection for them. It might be superficial and it might be phony, but when it's all you've got, you're going to hang on to it for all it's worth. This fits in with your broken homes/neighborhoods comment.

I just learned that the student's mother died. In view of this, the defiance makes some sense. There is nothing, and I mean nothing, that is like losing your mother. It has to be one of the most devastating experiences in one's life.

In view of all this, I do think the student should be cut a break, and I say this as a teacher who goes ballistic when a student is texting during one of my carefully planned classes.


Cher

 

Elmergantry

(884 posts)
31. These iphones are a form of gasoline on the fire.
Thu Oct 29, 2015, 12:12 AM
Oct 2015

My three girls have them. I was opposed. We are starting to have issues. Wife is slowly coming around to my way of thinking.

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