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Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:01 AM

Sweden can no longer guarantee refugee beds

Source: The Local (Swedish Edition)

Sweden's Migration Minister Morgan Johansson has urged refugees in northern Germany to stay put, after declaring that the Nordic nation is now unable to guarantee beds for all asylum seekers.

Sweden is struggling to provide enough beds for the record number of refugees crossing into the country from Germany and elsewhere, the government confirmed on Thursday.

At a press conference, Migration Minister Morgan Johansson told reporters that there was no longer a guarantee that all asylum seekers could be offered emergency accommodation.

"We are in in a very dramatic situation, it has become even more dramatic in recent days. Last week we saw a decline, but now the past few days, we see an increase," he said, referring to the ongoing arrival of refugees fleeing war-torn nations to seek new lives in Sweden.

Read more: http://www.thelocal.se/20151105/sweden-urges-refugees-to-stay-in-germany

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Reply Sweden can no longer guarantee refugee beds (Original post)
MowCowWhoHow III Nov 2015 OP
smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #1
w0nderer Nov 2015 #2
CJCRANE Nov 2015 #3
The2ndWheel Nov 2015 #5
CJCRANE Nov 2015 #9
Nihil Nov 2015 #4
Sunlei Nov 2015 #8
CJCRANE Nov 2015 #10
Sunlei Nov 2015 #11
CJCRANE Nov 2015 #12
Sunlei Nov 2015 #13
LanternWaste Nov 2015 #16
CJCRANE Nov 2015 #17
Nihil Nov 2015 #21
EL34x4 Nov 2015 #23
Nihil Nov 2015 #22
dembotoz Nov 2015 #6
christx30 Nov 2015 #15
Quantess Nov 2015 #18
dembotoz Nov 2015 #24
Sunlei Nov 2015 #7
Marrah_G Nov 2015 #14
smirkymonkey Nov 2015 #19
Marrah_G Nov 2015 #20

Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 11:29 AM

1. This situation is going to be a disaster once the weather starts getting colder.

 

I don't think this is going to turn out well.

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Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 12:29 PM

2. K&R n/t

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Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

Thu Nov 5, 2015, 04:02 PM

3. What has Pied Piper Merkel unleashed...

in concert with Turkey, releasing them from the camps, and western interventions that dismantle secular states and unleash radical islamism.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #3)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 09:03 AM

5. Should the US Government help prop up the dictators?

Get blamed for doing that, like in Saudi Arabia. Or Iraq, for all those years. Get blamed for unleashing radical Islamism, in Iraq, or Syria, Egypt, etc, when the dictators get taken out.

We can't just leave them alone, as that's trending toward isolationism, because what happens to those innocent people that might suffer?

We can't unilaterally attack anyone, but the world at large doesn't do much outside of economic sanctions, which also most likely hurts the people we're trying to help more than the people running the show.

Can't turn refugees away, can't take them all in.

Variables are always changing, and we can't quite keep up with them. We can do this, but that will go wrong. We can do that, but this will go wrong.

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Response to The2ndWheel (Reply #5)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:35 PM

9. Why prop up islamist royals

but destroy secular regimes?

It doesn't quite add up.

Are we spreading democracy or monarchy or sharia law?

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Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 08:11 AM

4. When the first domino starts to fall ...

 

> urged refugees in northern Germany to stay put, after declaring that the Nordic nation
> is now unable to guarantee beds for all asylum seekers.

The fact that the incredibly generous & humanitarian Swedes are admitting that they
are full of asylum seekers might just be a trigger to a much bigger & wider issue.

I cannot imagine that the inhabitants of Northern Germany are going to be too happy
about the increasing numbers of migrants building up there due to the combination
of a closed door ahead of them but a trail of still migrating people behind.

This could well lead to Germany closing their doors to avoid fueling the more extreme
nationalists there and that, in turn, will knock-on to the other countries "upstream" of
them.

The time to really worry will be when it isn't just a case of "not allowing more in" but
instead turns to "sending them back".

That's when it could get very messy indeed.


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Response to Nihil (Reply #4)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:09 PM

8. They can't send them back, back to where? There are also about 1 million more people trapped in Dem

Damascus, Syria who want to flee. AssadPutin have just started bombing neighborhoods there.


Syria bombs Douma despite use of human shields
Assad forces continue to pound Damascus neighbourhood despite rebel group putting prisoners in cages to deter attacks.
BBC

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #8)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:37 PM

10. So they're not fleeing Isis?

The media and social media told us for months last year how they were the sickest most perverted mofos on the planet. So they're rehabilitated now?

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #10)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:41 PM

11. guess you misunderstood?

half of Syrias people are gone. people can't 'flee' anymore, they can't even leave their homes.

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #11)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:43 PM

12. So what role did Isis and Al Qaeda play in this?

Are they blameless?

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:45 PM

13. russia, assad, is and others can all share the blame far as I care. The world has 12 million plus m

millions more coming refugees to care for.

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #12)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:08 PM

16. It's much more fun to assign blame rather than solve problems.

 

It's much more fun to assign blame rather than solve problems... so I certainly understand your sentiment.

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Response to LanternWaste (Reply #16)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:14 PM

17. I don't get the Isis revisionism...

It's nothing to do with fun.

For the sake of politeness I'm not going to go into the crimes of Isis and Al Qaeda.

But I wouldn't describe being concerned about them as "fun".

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Response to CJCRANE (Reply #17)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:35 PM

21. The ISIS revisionism covers over the fact that NO-ONE knows WTF to do.

 

The people who were blaming Assad for this (who were, "coincidentally", the people who pounced on Saddam
for running his country too) are now stuck in a very nasty cleft stick: They have been actively destroying a
sovereign country (= "regime change" and have - in that very process - been supporting the most savage and
radical Islamic terrorists that the world have known (so far). Now, after all that time and despite all of the
warnings, they are starting to realise that maybe Pandora's Box should have remained closed after all.

Too late.

The situation is currently out of control.

The radical fanatics have been given not only arms & funds (standard CIA behaviour) but also the opportunity
to recruit at a scale that they couldn't have dreamed about a few years ago.

No matter *who* delivers the counterstrikes - US, Europe, Russia - the recruiting machine will be reinforced and
fed with grieving relatives of the "collateral damage". No-one will strike at the source of the problem - Saudi
Arabia & cohorts - but everyone will strike at the people who are dropping the bombs, firing the missiles,
providing the weapons that are killing, maiming & orphaning so many in the Middle East.

September 2001 should have been a wake up call.
It wasn't.

It turned out to be a rallying call for the war-pigs to continue to spread death & destruction across the globe
for the sake of profit.

Welcome to blowback world.

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Response to Nihil (Reply #21)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:54 PM

23. Well said (n/t)

 

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Response to Sunlei (Reply #8)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 06:49 PM

22. You fail to perceive the gravity of the situation.

 

The people who are closing the doors - because they are *full* - are not going to
care about niceties as "back to where?". Those are the luxuries expressed by the
vocal (but unhelpful) armchair "activists" from thousands of miles away.

The thing about triggering a "door shutting event" is that it cascades to the next
nation, the one who can no longer stand aside in order to let people pass through
to "somewhere else". That, in turn, triggers the door to be shut in each poor,
increasingly nationalistic nation: the doors that were only remaining open as long
as the exit doors were equally open. Once the exit door closes, the danger from
the combination of frustrated migrants and frustrated nationalists hits ignition
temperature very quickly. All that government can hope to do - in order to maintain
any form of public order - is close the "IN" door.

This will inevitably lead to two things: the first is that the accumulation of migrants
causes border issues; the second is that the strain on the country's structure exceeds
the ability to meet demands. The first issue allows the nationalists to have a free
target of "others" to blame for problems - law breakers from "out there".
The second issue gives the support for the growth of the nationalist response - the
increasing number of innocent citizens who are being impacted by the migrants.

Those people simply will not care about the "where" to send them "back" to.

If there is not a voluntary "retreat" by the people perceived as an "invading army"
then the "where" will be a bloody mess to be talked about by future historians.
(cf. Balkans, Rwanda, etc.)

"Where" at this point resolves to "away", not to a useful destination.

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Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 01:49 PM

6. isn't this the home of ikea???? perhaps they can not figure out how they go together

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Response to dembotoz (Reply #6)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:03 PM

15. Finland is the home if Ikea. n/t

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Response to christx30 (Reply #15)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 06:57 PM

18. No, IKEA was founded in Sweden.

It's a swedish company.

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Response to Quantess (Reply #18)

Sun Nov 8, 2015, 07:10 PM

24. i thought sweeden cause if finland it would have a better finnish

sorry it late and my beloved team sucked today

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Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 02:03 PM

7. above and beyond, they planned for 190,000 "asylum" refugees this year.

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Response to MowCowWhoHow III (Original post)

Fri Nov 6, 2015, 03:00 PM

14. This is going to break Europe

I'm not sure how they are going to manage to house and feed so many refugees- culture clashes will become a problem. This HAS to be spread out among the whole world...if a country won't take refugees they can at least send money/food.

This is millions and millions of people that are going to need to be provided for.

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Response to Marrah_G (Reply #14)

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 01:12 AM

19. +1000

 

Yes, and I think that the wealthy Gulf states need to start pulling their weight. It makes me sick that they have not even made a gesture to help their own neighbors and expect Europe to absorb the brunt of it. With my tinfoil hat on, I could think of lots of reasons for that.

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Response to smirkymonkey (Reply #19)

Sat Nov 7, 2015, 02:46 AM

20. They are willing to build mosques in Germany, but they won't take in any refugees

Yeah, makes me think the extremists in Saudi think this might be a good way to spread Islam.

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