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Archae

(46,318 posts)
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 03:37 AM Jan 2016

‘Affluenza’ teen may delay deportation with human rights law

Source: WBAT-TV, ABC affiliate in Green Bay, WI

ORT WORTH, Texas (AP) — Lawyers for a Texas teen who cited “affluenza” as a defense in a deadly drunken-driving wreck may be attempting to stall his deportation to the United States by claiming that Mexican authorities violated his human rights, according to legal experts.

Ethan Couch, 18, won a delay in his deportation based on a constitutional appeal in Mexico that could lead to a trial process that could last weeks or even months.

Any flaw in the process of his detention by Mexican immigration authorities can be considered a violation of due process and of his human rights, San Antonio attorney Javier Lopez de Obeso, who is licensed to practice in Mexico, said Thursday.


Read more: http://wbay.com/ap/affluenza-teen-may-delay-deportation-with-human-rights-law/



Fucking spoiled BRAT!!!
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‘Affluenza’ teen may delay deportation with human rights law (Original Post) Archae Jan 2016 OP
Post removed Post removed Jan 2016 #1
At least they're usually clear about who they work for ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #13
Poor little affluenza babe. Human rights? Shouldn't he be tortured first? rusty quoin Jan 2016 #2
What about the gun they had? 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #3
That issue may have to wait until after the holidays. JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #14
Well, not sure. According to reports, they left it in 1st 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #18
I haven't seen details on the story. Who picked up the gun from the front desk? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #19
Ethan picked it up from front desk crew. n/t 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #27
Do the police have the gun now? JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #34
ATF can trace it via the serial number to the last known purchaser. Heeeeers Johnny Jan 2016 #32
Put him in a regular Mexican jail newfie11 Jan 2016 #4
Absolutely agree Myrddin Jan 2016 #39
"Mexico violated my rights, please let me stay in Mexico!" OK then ck4829 Jan 2016 #5
He doesn't care how looney he sounds as long as he can run out the clock beac Jan 2016 #26
Yeah! The right to be an asshole! Helen Borg Jan 2016 #6
Aren't you supposed to be human to have human rights? This affluenza SOB barely qualifies Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #7
The American Society Federation of Troglodytes are on line three... Srednas Einreb Jan 2016 #8
He is the slimy material that comes out of a chicken's back side. Feeling the Bern Jan 2016 #10
On that, we agree. Srednas Einreb Jan 2016 #11
In the long run it is better to see that his rights have not been violated because that takes away davidpdx Jan 2016 #9
Great grounds for appeal! JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #12
Keep him in a Mexican jail without his mommy NV Whino Jan 2016 #15
+1 Dems to Win Jan 2016 #22
I realize the mob is ready to string him up philosslayer Jan 2016 #16
If he didn't want to be bound by the Mexican legal system bigworld Jan 2016 #17
+1 treestar Jan 2016 #20
Seal team six went to christx30 Jan 2016 #24
Really? His rights? I'm speechless! n/t 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #28
Please explain philosslayer Jan 2016 #33
Oh for F's sake! Really? 7wo7rees Jan 2016 #37
Yes, really philosslayer Jan 2016 #38
They are still subject to the law treestar Jan 2016 #41
I think there's a difference between due process and milking the system by exploiting loopholes groundloop Jan 2016 #29
If there are loopholes, try to get the legislature treestar Jan 2016 #42
Well, he didn't have a right to possess a gun in Mexico. a la izquierda Jan 2016 #44
I think there is a cure for 'Affluenza' Mrs. Ted Nancy Jan 2016 #21
I think the real 'cure' is to make Ethan, VMA131Marine Jan 2016 #31
Two tier system of injustice in America is disgusting. lark Jan 2016 #23
same as it ever was shanti Jan 2016 #25
I disagree lark Jan 2016 #40
sorry....but I really want bad things to happen... dhill926 Jan 2016 #30
So many shitstains ... JustABozoOnThisBus Jan 2016 #35
I don't understand why he would want to: is a Mexican immigration center petronius Jan 2016 #36
Hey, at least he is behind bars question everything Jan 2016 #43
They have due process in Mexico? jmowreader Jan 2016 #45

Response to Archae (Original post)

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
3. What about the gun they had?
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 04:03 AM
Jan 2016

This is a cluster F! This whole affair I believe, with all my heart will not end well for Ethan. At least I pray so. I want just some small degree of justice, that is all. For all the family's lives that have been changed forever. Because this little shit got behind the wheel of a really big truck, drunk off his ass at 16 years of age and plowed into people on the side of the road doing 70 mph.

WTF?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
14. That issue may have to wait until after the holidays.
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 09:31 AM
Jan 2016

I'm sure investigators will try to trace the ownership as well as check any fingerprints. Does the gun clearly belong to Ethan, or a parent?

7wo7rees

(5,128 posts)
18. Well, not sure. According to reports, they left it in 1st
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 11:53 AM
Jan 2016

room they were in at resort in PV when they had to move to another room. The new occupants of room found it in drawer, like a Gideon bible and immediately called front desk. There has not been anything reported since he picked it up from front desk crew. Hmmmm ?

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
19. I haven't seen details on the story. Who picked up the gun from the front desk?
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 11:59 AM
Jan 2016

Did Ethan pick it up? Or his mother?

Yeah, I'm surprised this isn't more of a story.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
34. Do the police have the gun now?
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 06:55 PM
Jan 2016

Or is it somewhere in the Pacific?

It seems kind of dumb for the hotel staff to just hand it over. I'd bet in the U.S., the hotel would probably turn a forgotten gun over to the cops.

Heeeeers Johnny

(423 posts)
32. ATF can trace it via the serial number to the last known purchaser.
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 05:42 PM
Jan 2016

From the manufacturer > distributor > gun shop > buyer.

Even if it was bought from an individual in a private sale, the trail isn't necessarily left cold.

Although I'm willing to wager that people with that kind of wealth, don't usually purchase second hand firearms
without a specific reason (collectible, bargain too good to pass up).

ck4829

(35,058 posts)
5. "Mexico violated my rights, please let me stay in Mexico!" OK then
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 07:32 AM
Jan 2016

Does affluenza also mean you're too rich to understand how insane you sound?

beac

(9,992 posts)
26. He doesn't care how looney he sounds as long as he can run out the clock
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

on being a juvenile and return to the US after he turns 19 in April, when he won't face any punishment. Honestly cannot understand how that can be, but apparently it's true.

Here's hoping Mexico counters will an illegal firearms prosecution for the gun that asshole was hiding in his hotel room. I cannot imagine the State Department would waste much energy in trying to help him out of that one.

 

Feeling the Bern

(3,839 posts)
7. Aren't you supposed to be human to have human rights? This affluenza SOB barely qualifies
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 07:42 AM
Jan 2016

as troglodyte.

 

Srednas Einreb

(11 posts)
8. The American Society Federation of Troglodytes are on line three...
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 08:36 AM
Jan 2016

....something about "Me no Ethan. Ethan yes Blattodea"

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
9. In the long run it is better to see that his rights have not been violated because that takes away
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 08:38 AM
Jan 2016

a possible appeal based on that. One way or the other whether it is in Mexico or the US he'll pay for his actions.

JustABozoOnThisBus

(23,338 posts)
12. Great grounds for appeal!
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 09:27 AM
Jan 2016

I think his appeal process should last years, as long as he's in detention somewhere, anywhere.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
16. I realize the mob is ready to string him up
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 11:30 AM
Jan 2016

But we have due process and laws for a reason. And he and his lawyers are perfectly justified in making sure his rights are respected.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
24. Seal team six went to
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 03:08 PM
Jan 2016

Pakistan ready to arrest bin Laden. If he had surrendered, he would have gotten a trial. But he resisted arrest and bad things happened to him. Not weeping.
The time to fight is in court, and not when you are surrounded by Navy Seals armed with automatic weapons.

 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
38. Yes, really
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 10:32 PM
Jan 2016

Our legal system affords us rights, no matter what we've done. I know the emotional reaction is to say that Ethan and his parents have "blown through every right they have", but thats not how our legal system works.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
41. They are still subject to the law
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 12:08 PM
Jan 2016

That never stops. Even if you are in jail, if you assault another inmate, you are charged with assault and have the right to counsel, etc. If you are assaulted, your assailant will be charged with assault and have the right to counsel, etc. Your air of superiority is uncalled for. You can be upset with this defendant without abrogating the rule of law.

groundloop

(11,518 posts)
29. I think there's a difference between due process and milking the system by exploiting loopholes
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 03:48 PM
Jan 2016

The claim that Mexico is infringing on his human rights is a bunch of bullshit. He escaped prosecution for murder by the bullshit claim that he never learned right from wrong because he's rich. He violated his parole and fled into Mexico to avoid answering for that parole violation. It's pretty damned obvious he's attempting to prolong his stay in Mexico until his 19th birthday, at which point he can skate away scot-free.

treestar

(82,383 posts)
42. If there are loopholes, try to get the legislature
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 12:09 PM
Jan 2016

to plug them. What are you advocating? That he be held without hearing and sentenced without hearing?

a la izquierda

(11,791 posts)
44. Well, he didn't have a right to possess a gun in Mexico.
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 03:19 PM
Jan 2016

So he can stay in jail there if he wants. I'm not sure he'll like it much though.

Mrs. Ted Nancy

(462 posts)
21. I think there is a cure for 'Affluenza'
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jan 2016

Since this kid seems to have a severe case, I think it is necessary for him to face the consequences of his actions.
It may cure, or at least arrest (pun intended) the progression of, his "disease." This "disease" has already cost four people their lives and has injured several others. In the interest of public health, this kid should be sent back to Texas to be "treated." Although the care he is being afforded in Mexico may be having a beneficial effect.

I'm being facetious. Seriously though, his parents and the Texas legal system have done him no favors.

lark

(23,093 posts)
23. Two tier system of injustice in America is disgusting.
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 02:14 PM
Jan 2016

Also disgusting that this is common in other parts of the world as well. Rich literally get away with murder while poor minorities can be killed with impunity. Sickening.

lark

(23,093 posts)
40. I disagree
Sat Jan 2, 2016, 10:20 AM
Jan 2016

Seems to me like it's getting worse. A kid kills 4 people with drunk driving and gets off only because he's rich, and that's even the excuse they use, that's worse than previous judgments, IMO. Yes, things were worse until the 50's with the treatment of African Americans in the south, but it got better for a while starting in the 70's and now is worse again when cops kills unarmed black children and get away with it because prosecutors throw the case.

petronius

(26,602 posts)
36. I don't understand why he would want to: is a Mexican immigration center
Fri Jan 1, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

safer or more comfortable than a US adult jail (or wherever he would be kept until the probation hearing)? Other than the difference of where he's being held in the meantime, won't the courts in the US be considering the same questions and reaching the same decisions regardless of when he returns? He can't think he's going to be granted asylum, or get a long-term non-detained residency in Mexico, can he?

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