Authorities plan to cut off power to militia at occupied Oregon refuge

[kpete]

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Source: The Guardian

Authorities plan to cut off power to militia at occupied Oregon refuge
Armed militants will begin their third day at the wildlife refuge and have vowed to remain for months in protest at over the treatment of two local cattle ranchers


Federal authorities are planning to cut off the power of the wildlife refuge in Oregon that has been taken over by militia, exposing the armed occupiers to sub-zero temperatures in an effort to flush them out.

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A federal government official told the Guardian that authorities were planning on Monday to cut the power at the refuge.

“It’s in the middle of nowhere,” said the official, who is based in Washington, DC, and has knowledge of the planned response to the militia. “And it’s flat-ass cold up there.”

The official, who asked not to be named, said they were not privy to the FBI’s plan of action. However, they said the US Park Service, which is leading the crisis management reaction to the occupation in liaison with the FBI, planned to cut the power to the building where the militiamen are spending their nights.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/oregon-wildlife-militia-standoff-power-cut-off

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[peacebird]

1. Cut power, jam their cellphone signals and internet. Prevent supply deliveries.

[hlthe2b]

3. exactly... starve 'em out.

Show them for the morons they are (as if they haven't already).... Mr Big Bad gun-toting morons--who didn't even plan for supplies and thought they "Gubment"-run postal service would just deliver everything they needed. Good gawd.

[Sanity Claws]

5. They couldn't even last two days without added supplies

No way are they a well-organized militia. They are The Gang that Couldn't Plan Straight.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

61. Well regulated militia

Guess which one survived a harsh winter while fighting the British?

[yellowcanine]

81. Unless they have a truckload of other supplies somewhere this is it:

It included a cardboard box of apples and oranges, a few dozen pots of instant ramen, 24 cans of chicken noodle soup, a similar number of cans of sweetcorn, peas, beans and chili, and 20 boxes of macaroni and cheese.

There were also three sacks of potatoes, one bag of flour, another of rolled oats, boxes of raisins, a single bag of pretzels and one granola bar.

http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jan/05/oregon-wildlife-militia-standoff-power-cut-off

If the power is off the water probably goes also. Going to be hard to flush toilets, etc. Basic sanitation could get a little complicated. Well no one said this anti-gubmint militia stuff was easy!

I give them a week at most.

[Sanity Claws]

88. If they had food, why did they send out messages asking for snacks?

Asking for snacks make them sound like a child.
As for water and heat, why didn't they plan to be without them? It would not take a genius to realize supply lines would be cut. They should have been prepared to melt snow for water and be able to create a fire to cook.
They look stupid and ill-prepared.

[Jerry442]

99. Was the "snacks" message sent by George Costanza? nt

[brush]

25. They'll be sending out calls for generators any minute now

How stupid are these guys?

Those Bundy boys are chips off the old block all right. The old man thought he had to right to graze his cattle for free instead of the minimal fees charged and now these sons of his thought they should arm themselves, take over a government facility in the dead of winter, declare to hold it with their lives, but didn't think to bring cold weather gear, power generators and ahhhh . . . FOOD.

And they are the leaders of this so-called militia that's standing against the Federal government.

Not much of a threat there because of their stupidity. They've only survived so far because of their white privilege. I don't think here on DU that I need to say that if they were black or Muslim they would already have been routed by swat team tanks and helicopters.

[yellowcanine]

85. They might have a couple of generators. But do they have fuel?

Didn't see any fuel tanks going in there. At best they likely have a couple of jerry cans of gasoline. Won't last long.

[7wo7rees]

128. There is the question! I've read they have generators.

I don't think they have enough fuel.

I think these guys thought they were going to get more support. Ya know, like dad did down in wherever. Bundy land. Support seems to be in short supply.

[Grins]

30. Wait until they run out of toilet paper! (N/M)

[Duval]

56. Now, that'll be interesting! :)

[RR2]

62. We don't need no stinking TP...

we have stinking hands!

[yellowcanine]

86. They can always use snow. Snow is in the forecast.

Going to be some cold asses before this is over.

[Pharaoh]

59. then arrest them all

as they come out crying fo their mommies.

[Pharaoh]

60. then arrest them all

as they come out crying for their mommies

[IthinkThereforeIAM]

64. As I have said in another forum...

... let them learn to enjoy field mouse soup.

[ChazInAz]

66. Yes, indeed.

They're big, bad, ruff-n-tuff Preppers, they're ready for anything.
Funny thing, this effete city-boy Hippy puts in more planning for Burning Man than these Manly 'Murcan Men™ did for their little campout.

[trillion]

118. Hey, most hippies I know are peace loving good guys. These guys are not hippies.

[wordpix]

72. cut off their water, too---they won't last long without it

[randys1]

77. This is a profit deal, as soon as they leave the site the gofundme's and

TV show appearances will begin.

Cons always do what they do to take something from someone else.

[Odin2005]

114. They are looking for that sweet wingnut welfare.

[trillion]

119. +100000

[randys1]

135. Hey, I like that "Wingnut Welfare"

[mahatmakanejeeves]

11. They'll use CB, good buddy. That and amateur radio.

And you can block those signals how?

[itsrobert]

19. The signals can be jammed

There probably isn't much service there to begin with. But they would have to coordinate with the FCC and wireless providers. They could also have a satellite phone. CB radio can be jammed too.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

21. CB is simplex, by which I mean

it is point-to-point. It requires no infrastructure. You do not transmit from your CB radio to some central facility, from which the signal is then sent on to the recipient. You can blow up every cell phone tower, and CB will still work. Amateur radio, when it does not rely on a repeater, works the same way. You can converse directly with a person on the other end.

CB and amateur radio can also have transmitting power far beyond that of a cell phone. The signal goes much farther, especially from a fire watch tower. I'd have to check the terrain, but hitting Burns from where they are with a CB should be no problem. On a good day, they might be able to hit Ontario, Oregon, from that fire watch tower.

When Hurricane Katrina wiped out everything else in New Orleans, CB and amateur radio were the only forms of communications that still performed flawlessly. Okay, maybe FRS too, but only for a mile, and you had to have the wind at your back.

Sure, any signal can be jammed, but the FCC takes a really dim view of that.

[AlbertCat]

39. Interesting.... good buddy....

But they can talk and request stuff till the birds come back. Someone still has to get the food or generator to them.


Like I said somewhere else. Some Medieval Knights can siege the place. Where IS Edward Longshanks when you need him?

[LiberalArkie]

57. Last picture I saw they were using FRS radios.

If amateur then when the operator ID's he will be fined big time, if he doesn't ID bigger fine.

The Federal services can jam legally and have done so in the past.

If indeed they are low on supplies it is because they expected the county people to help them and thus did not bring enough of their own. --- Piss poor thinking.

It is that circular logic that so many people get into when they only talk to people who think like they do. No one bringing up opposing viewpoints so it always sounds logical.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

67. With an FRS, they can reach the other end of the Disneyworld parking lot.

Actually, there is this one case on record of some astonishing performance from an FRS radio. This is why you should never throw anything away.

By/ CBSNews.com staff CBSNews.com staff/ CBS/ June 22, 2000, 9:56 AM

Oregon Brothers Hailed As Lifesavers

Seven-year-old Fletcher Wold of Oregon is being hailed as a hero after he picked up a distress call on his walkie-talkie and set in motion a daring mountaintop rescue, reports CBS News Early Show Anchor Bryant Gumbel.

The signal the boy heard was coming from two injured mountain climbers stranded on Mt. Hood, which was about 80 miles away.

Iain Morris, 23, and climbing partner Jim Clark, 38, were climbing the northwest slope of the mountain Tuesday morning when a sudden slide sent rock plummeting toward them.

The boys called their father. He in turn alerted authorities, who then rescued the climbers by Air Force Reserve helicopter.

Fletcher and his five-year-old brother Parker got the $80 Radio Shack walkie-talkies from their father last Christmas. The radios have only a two-mile range, but from high up Mount Hood, with no obstructions, signals from the climbers' radios could reach even farther than McMinnville, according to Clackamas County Deputy Chris Nolte.

Hmmm, walkie-talkies and not an FRS. Without checking, I think Radio Shack walkie-talkies operate at around 46 MHz. FRS is up around 460-something MHz.

Family Radio Service

The Family Radio Service (FRS) is an improved walkie-talkie radio system authorized in the United States since 1996. This personal radio service uses channelized frequencies around 462 and 467 MHz in the ultra high frequency (UHF) band. It does not suffer the interference effects found on citizens' band (CB) at 27 MHz, or the 49 MHz band also used by cordless telephones, toys, and baby monitors. FRS uses frequency modulation (FM) instead of amplitude modulation (AM). Since the UHF band has different radio propagation characteristics, short-range use of FRS may be more predictable than the more powerful license-free radios operating in the HF CB band.

With a claimed range of 2 miles, the power output is probably about the same.

[LiberalArkie]

68. I think FRS has 150mhz channels, but you are till very low power and low range. They

work for what they are designed to be. Work good for hunters in deer stands a couple of miles on a good day, further if you are on 2 mountain peaks and can see the other person.

[griloco]

20. Yeah, that's the ticket! And they got solar/wind power, too!

No, wait, dammit....that's Liberal Logic. Oh, well.

[mahatmakanejeeves]

23. Or their car batteries. NT

[griloco]

32. & Wal-Mart got a sale on Everreadys and they just keep going. nt

[trillion]

120. Those will last a few hours.

[brush]

28. If they forgot to bring food and cold weather gear you think they thought to bring CB radios?

I highly doubt it but let's just wait and see if they use those alleged CB radios to send out calls for power generators after the power is cut off.

Or maybe they remember to bring generators but not "snacks and warm socks".

God!

[mahatmakanejeeves]

34. The CB radios should be wired in to their vehicles already.

I'm just guessing, but I'll bet a CB radio was the first item that went into their vehicles after delivery. Look at the pictures for antennas.

[brush]

44. Okay. I'll look for antennas on the newscasts . . .

but that might be giving these guys too much credit.

I mean they forgot to bring food and warm socks.

[Kablooie]

47. How long will those batteries last?

[-none]

49. They didn't think to bring food and warm socks, and

you really think they have anything other than their cell phones for communications?

[harun]

41. Cutting their Internet and Cellphones would probably be enough

[Kablooie]

45. Without power their computers and cell phones will be dead within a day.

Cars and trucks power will last a lttle longer but won't last forever.

[Marrah_G]

76. you can always charge them via the cars/trucks

That what we do in power outages.

[wordpix]

71. Let them eat their guns - let's see how long these tough "militiamen" will last

Not long if they cut power to the water pumping system.

[trillion]

117. And, they should quit negotiating with terrorists.

The longer they wait go clear the place the more are joining that fringe right anti-government cause. It should have been stopped days ago. If it goes much longer they will be dealing with a national problem.

[mountain grammy]

2. They brought children out there..

why was that allowed to happen?

[CanonRay]

8. 'Cause every modern patriot needs a human shield!

[yellowcanine]

87. I am guessing the children will be out of there in the first car load after the power is cut.

[mountain grammy]

89. Hope so..

[trillion]

121. Me too. The only reason for the children is to shield them.

Remember what their man trump said, go after terrorists families. Sick logic. And here they don't want that kind of logic used on them but you bet would use it on others.

Of course bringing the kids in and endangering their lives is sick logic too. I hope the kids won't get killed, but I doubt that will happen. These terrorists should have been taken out before the kids came in.

Can anyone give a source for kids being in there? I can't find one.

[mountain grammy]

132. I saw it in a few places..

seems sketchy, but wouldn't but it past these yahoos.

http://www.thenewcivilrightsmovement.com/davidbadash/extremist_militia_in_oregon_standoff_want_to_overthrow_government_have_children_in_federal_building

I also saw it on a "patriot" site, but I feel creepy just looking at their shit much less linking it. Geez those people are nuts. He even said too bad the protesters aren't black, they'd get anything they wanted. . yeah, they really believe that shit. So now I'm wondering if it's even true.

[Nevernose]

115. Terrorists frequently use human shields

It's often part of the modus operandi.

[groundloop]

4. I'm surprised it's taken them this long, power should have been cut on day one.

In any case, better late than never. Wait them out and let them ultimately give up and emerge from the building in disgrace rather than make them celebrities for their wacko cause.

Oh yeah, also make damned sure that media can't get within a mile of them to deprive them of what they really want.

[Downwinder]

6. They will be like the Donner Party.

[me b zola]

10. The Dumber party n/t

[Agony]

103. ...

what _does_ a patriot taste like?

[SwankyXomb]

113. Either chicken, or freedumb!

[AllyCat]

7. And it's taken this long? Why didn't they do that day 1?

Why were little kids allowed in to create s defense for these terrorists? I don't think the authorities really want them out.

[tazkcmo]

13. SOP

Standard Operating Procedure. Commission a study by favored large donors at an outrageous cost to taxpayers, debate the findings of said study then award a no bid contract to more wealthy donors to carry out the "solution".

[AlbertCat]

40. Why were little kids allowed in

Sounds like another indictment for them in court.

[trillion]

122. +10000. They should have never let those kids in. I cry for the danger thouse kids are in.

I hope the BTAF has improved since ruby ridge and won't be sniping children. The children are already shields.

That said, I can't find a source that says kids are there. Source?

[AllyCat]

129. Well, let me look. Saw something somewhere, but that doesn't mean anything.

[L. Coyote]

9. Just so they don't start bird hunting for food. It is a bird refuge, after all.

Not a loon refuge.

[OregonBlue]

14. Hat should read Major League Griper.

[Warpy]

12. What they need to do is cut off media access

Leaning on cell phone providers to terminate service is also a good idea. Once nobody's feeding the tantrum, the squalling toddlers will get up and leave quietly.

[SoapBox]

15. Cut off power, water and the cell access...no one or nothing goes in...

Duh!

Let them sit in there with none of the above and then when they come out whining and crying, jail their worthless asses!

[NV Whino]

16. 'Bout damned time

[trillion]

123. agreed.

[Botany]

17. “And it’s flat-ass cold up there.”

[1StrongBlackMan]

18. What parent would willingly allow their partner/spouse to put their child in harms way? ...

I know I wouldn't!

If Mrs. 1SBM told me, she planned to "peacefully protest" with BabyGirl 1SBM in tow; I would be like cool. But the moment I got wind that there was an occupation situation ... neither the authorities, or those occupying would be able to keep me out, or BabyGirl in.

[sorefeet]

22. Not very good tactics

they have backed themselves into a trap. There is no way out. No plan B but to die?? So do they each have a cyanide pill or are they just going to starve and freeze to death. What a stupid move from a bunch of gun packing right wing extremist clowns. The Feds are probably laughing their asses off. Hey Trump, Cruz, they love you!!

[SHRED]

27. I predict they surrender

Totally emasculated and humiliated.

[SHRED]

24. Since they hate government so much...

... then they should be okay with government shutting it's roads down, turning it's power off, and stopping it's phone service to it's own building.

[griloco]

26. Typical spineless Liberal reponse. I say TORTURE THEM!!!

[Frustratedlady]

29. They could always build a bonfire outside and roast

their weenies...just sayin'. Problem is, they probably forgot the buns, ketchup and mustard.

[AlbertCat]

43. and roast their weenies

That won't be enough for one of the birds!

[Gregorian]

31. By American standards, these guys are being coddled. It says something.

It tells me they're so similar to our police and enforcement, they don't want to oust them like they'd have done to anyone else after ten minutes of trespassing.

These are the faces of the police in this nation. I'd wager a few of these goons are cops. Just a hunch.

[Nye Bevan]

36. Do Occupy Wall Street in Zuccotti Park count as "anyone else"?

Because they were there for about 2 months which is quite a bit longer than "ten minutes".

[starroute]

58. OWS wasn't seizing government property by force

Zucotti Park had a strange public-private status, which meant that the occupiers weren't technically trespassing and couldn't be kept out. And they never declared that they were the new owners of the park and would hold onto it at gunpoint. Their status was more like that of homeless people sleeping on park benches.

[2pooped2pop]

69. I f I remember correctly, Zuccotti Park is privately owned

and that was the bit of red tape that allowed them to stay so long. However, they were not just left alone. They were surrounded by cops who would come storming in with sirens and lights. People were chased, tasered, pepper sprayed, arrested, harassed and belongings destroyed via bulldozer.

I watched them walk in and take the generators forcefully from them. Yanked them out. But that made little difference because the OWS people were pretty smart and hooked up bikes to generate power.

It is interesting to note that these non gun carrying protesters provided food for all, had no building, slept on ground and survived. THe Alaska contingent survived extreme cold.

The ones who tried to occupy land like Central Park or buildings were arrested. Many were arrested.

No one had guns or threatened to die there.

[Gregorian]

91. Your point is well taken. I'm not seeing anything that is similar.

I remember the treesitters in Humboldt. They got nailed. It was pepper spray in the eyes. And worse. Much worse.

I was thinking about Waco, but that might not be the same. But that wasn't a hands off situation.

There's some reason these guys are untouchables. They have something in common with those enforcing the laws. It's a hunch.

In a way this reminds me of the OJ "chase". They let that guy drive, whereas any normal sucker would have been shoved off the road and cuffed.

[anigbrowl]

100. Maybe you're choosing not to see

I also remember the tree sitters in Humboldt. but unlike you I also recall that their protests were typically allowed to run for weeks or even months at a time before there was a resort to the use of force, and in some cases the protests went on for years and eventually came to a peaceful resolution. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tree_sitting has a bunch of examples.

What you're remembering is the dramatic confrontational part that you got outraged about, while forgetting the long boring part where people tried waiting it out first and used force as a last rather than a first resort.

[Gregorian]

102. I do remember that.

I was actually thinking about the bombing of Judy Bari. But that's true, it did not happen like the latest cop situations where they shoot first and ask questions later.

It all sucks, that's for sure. It's pretty frightening. What kind of a country are we living in, I find myself asking now.

[anigbrowl]

104. I understand your reaction. nt

[anigbrowl]

98. Perhaps not as much as you think

I recall there was a Black Lives Matter group camped out outside a Dearborn, MI police station a few weeks ago to protest a police shooting or a pattern of them. Technically they were also on public land (muni rather than federal) but the police respected their protest. As I recall some local racists did not respect it, and rolled up and shot at the protesters, injuring one or two. IIRC the encampment folded, partly due to cold weather, but they are still having protest marches about the issue with no problems.

Let's keep a sense of perspective - these yahoos n Oregon are thumbing their nose at the federal government, but they don't seem to be presenting any sort of threat to anyone's safety so basically they're just trespassing. At worst it's a petty misdemeanor, notwithstanding their political views: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/25/11.411

If they were to try to occupy a federal building in a town it would likely provoke a very different response. Considering that they're in the middle of nowhere though, the impact on public safety is negligible and treating them as a low priority is probably the most effective response. The people demanding that we bring the full might of the state down to crush them are delusional; to do so would only validate an oppressive response in other contexts. Those are are drawing comparisons with other historical conflicts to argue that these people are being coddled are mistaken at best and intellectually dishonest at worst.

For example, consider the Indian occupation of Alcatraz in 1969; that was eventually forcibly ended by the government, but only after the occupation ahd been going on for 19 months and after the majority of the protestors had given up and left of their own accord: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Occupation_of_Alcatraz

[trillion]

127. I remember the first year of occupy when police departments all over the country came out under the

veil of night and terrorized the occupy camps - beat the occupiers and destroyed their things.

The only reason that isn't happening to BLM is the BLM movement will come back with more people and more protest. And, they've all learned to be always armed with a cellphone taking video. We should all be part of BLM. They are trying to defend everyone from police brutality and unnecessary killings.

[nyabingi]

33. Once they starve 'em out

they should all be marched, in chains, into a bus and carted off to prison.

[Kablooie]

48. No no no. They get a trial first. Constitution, remember?

Then they get locked up for 20 years.

[-none]

52. Give'em a fair trial, first, the lock them up for 20 years.

Bankrupt them with lawyer fees.

[anigbrowl]

101. They're only committing a misdemeanor as far as I can see

Criminal trespass, to be exact: https://www.law.cornell.edu/cfr/text/25/11.411 The maximum penalty for a misdemeanor is a year in jail. Mind, I've only spent about 10 minutes checking that so perhaps there is some obscure statute that says doing the same thing in a designated wilderness area is deserving of a life sentence, but I doubt it.

[nyabingi]

55. Oh yeah lol (nt)

[Lil Missy]

106. Yes! throw all their asses in fucking. jail!

[Purrfessor]

35. Mastermind al-Ammon no-bin Snackin requests immediate snacks...

And more socks, many more socks.

[JesterCS]

90. I'm stealing this, lol n/t

[Purrfessor]

92. Be my guest...

I figured if he wants to act like a terrorist he needed a scary-sounding name, although I don't think al-Ammon no bin Snackin will strike fear into anybody.

[oldandhappy]

37. About time! Isolate these men.

Cut off government supported services, smile. They hate the government, let them live without the government. And get the media out of there.

[Blues Heron]

38. Isolate them

Give them time to brood.

[workinclasszero]

42. OK guise..the goobermint cutoff internets access

can't watch the playoffs or the superbowl...revolutions over.

[trillion]

126. Those poor guys. No Drudge! No Free Repubublic. No Knights of whatever supremacist group they

belong to. No trump news! I don't know, maybe cutting off their internet will make them smarter.

[workinclasszero]

134. Yup they need fox "news" hate radio and

truther sites on the internets to tell them what they think!

Can't get the days marching orders with out cell phones and the internets!

[Chakaconcarne]

46. The downside to doing this is that.....

It's going to help them train and prepare for future occupations..... the feds will escalate their response, etc
... and play right into their civil war promoting hands.

The sucky thing is that this is a very beautiful and pristine area... I hope it doesn't get spoiled by all of this.

[madokie]

54. quiet a bit of spoiling going on already

just them being there is enough

[Glaisne]

50. It's National Park Service not US Park Service...

And National Wildlife Refuge System is managed by the US Fish and Wildlife Service so I don't think the Park Service would be leading the crisis management reaction to the occupation.

[Kablooie]

51. When they finally come out I bet they will complain their rights have been violated.

Because the constitution says they have to be provided with power and food.

[SCantiGOP]

53. Too bad that...

they didn't all get some of those fictional "Obama phones."

[Gothmog]

63. The best way to deal with these idiots is to starve them out

[Bubzer]

65. I predict some form of air support from some rich muckity-muck.

Probably the koch bros., but I think it'll get through only once... assuming they don't get recalled under threat of fines or some such.

[trillion]

125. Probably the coal industry who Bundy was supporting earlier this year in a protest. And who likely

want access to that federal land.

democracynow.org spoke about it in their daily show today(Tuesdays show)

[ronatchig]

70. Already got the sore-ass any way.N/T

[Vogon_Glory]

73. Electricity And Electric Militia Types--So Who Owns The Utility Serving The Refuge?

I've got a question for those in the know. Since I live down here in Texas, I haven't a clue as to who owns the power outfit supplying the militia types. Is it private--OR IS IT GOVERNMENT-OWNED?

I think this is a very salient question. As far as I'm concerned, if these bozos are using electricity supplied by the "Big Government" they profess to oppose, why shouldn't they be forced to live by their purported principles and do without?

Maybe a little bit of chill might inspire some much-belated getting of wisdom...or maybe not.

[csziggy]

93. Looks like it is Oregon Trail Electric Co-op that distributes the power

But the power probably comes from a federal agency:

Bonneville Power Administration
Focusing on the Northwest

If you live in the Pacific Northwest, chances are you use electricity marketed and delivered by the Bonneville Power Administration - best known as BPA. BPA is a federal agency headquartered in Portland, Or, that markets wholesale electricity and transmission to the Pacific Northwest's public and private utilities as well as to some large industries.

BPA provides about half the electricity used in the Northwest and operates over three-fourths of the region's high-voltage transmission.

While BPA is part of the Department of Energy, it is not tax-supported through government appropriations. Instead, BPA recovers all of its costs through sales of electricity and transmission and repays the U.S. Treasury in full with interest for any money it borrows.
http://www.otecc.com/operations/bpa-facts

[mahatmakanejeeves]

133. Thanks, Roosevelt. NT

[MissB]

74. The head militant is conducting a news conference right now.

Live feed available at oregonlive.com

[MissB]

75. Mostly it seems to be Ammon Bundy thanking folks for their food.

especially the pot of soup.

Yeah.

[trillion]

130. they should have just sent him the pot, and maybe he'd feel like getting rid of the guns, stop

wanting to hurt anyone, and start liking protected forests.

[lark]

78. Turn off power and turn on blockade.

Nothing goes in or out and no power anywhere in park. Jamming cell phone signals would also be way cool and totally called for. Make it real for these thieving bullies and assholes.

[restorefreedom]

80. absolutely. total blockade of supplies and info

and have a few well armed rangers in the woods to make sure no poaching is going on for food.

[Jerry442]

79. I have no idea what's SOP for...

...these remote buildings unmanned in the winter but it seems likely that the plumbing was drained and everything shut down. Shucks, do these buildings even have heat?

[MissB]

82. This one does have workers in it - year round.

There is a well on the property that serves the facility. The well is used year round too.

[Jerry442]

95. So there are workers who'd planned to get back to work...

...after the break and now got no place to work.

The plot thickens.

[japple]

96. How will the pump on the well be able to work without electricity?

We have a well and there's never any water during a power outage.

[MissB]

97. It won't unless they have a hand pump.

[japple]

105. Bwhahahahahahahahah!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! So sorry for the

employees who have to clean up after these losers.

[Xithras]

83. Yes, they'll have heat. But no power.

Saw this addressed by one of the news sheep yesterday. Apparently the facility is a series of old ranch buildings that are well insulated and are equipped with LNG heat and fireplaces. Keeping them warm won't be a problem. Keeping their cellphones charged and their online media campaign running WILL be an issue.

[Red Mountain]

109. Propane theft

is a crime, I think.

[Xithras]

111. Depends.

It's not a crime to warm yourself by another persons bonfire, but it IS a crime to steal wood from their wood stack.

If the propane to the buildings was on and the heaters were already running, a prosecutor would have a hard time proving theft. It would be like charging a house burglar for electrical theft because they opened your refrigerator door and the lightbulb turned on. It's simply not prosecutable. On the other hand, if the gas was shut off and the building was locked down for the holiday, and these guys turned it all back on, then they're using a resource that was supposed to be stored and are committing theft simply by lighting it up.

[libodem]

84. They fit the true definition of Terrorists

And they surely believe they are end times survivalists.

So....federal agencies, bulid a wall like what they want on the border with Mexico, complete with, razor wire around the top and police dogs to patrol the parameter and just give them the prison sentence they deserve. And let them "survive" in the deep freeze freedom compound for the next five years.

[Kennah]

116. Terrorists from Dumbfuckistan n/t

[trillion]

124. so true.

I hope the kids get out safely. IF there are kids. I can't find a source for that and the news would have been all over it.

[BadGimp]

94. That escalated fast

Snark

[olddad56]

107. why not just let them live there the rest of their lives? What is the hurry to let them leave...

aren't the already sort of self incarcerated?

[NCjack]

108. ... and when they come out, they will be embraced by awaiting ex-Gov. Huckabee. /nt

[olddad56]

112. maybe they will never come out. why let em out, the US gov has captive now.

let them stay until they are long forgotten.

[Owl]

110. Seems to be only a rumor.

[trillion]

131. .