Trump alleges widespread voter fraud: ‘This voting system is out of control.’
Source: Washington Post
CLAREMONT, N.H. -- Donald Trump described voter fraud as a rampant problem during a rally on Tuesday night, even though the number of proven cases is minuscule.
"Look, you've got to have real security with the voting system," Trump said during a campaign event in western New Hampshire. "This voting system is out of control. You have people, in my opinion, that are voting many, many times. They don't want security, they don't want cards."
Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/01/05/trump-alleges-widespread-voter-fraud-this-voting-system-is-out-of-control/
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)for losing Iowa. He's trying to work the refs.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)muriel_volestrangler
(101,307 posts)so that it's hardly a 'caucus' any more:
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Szold said, "We have partnered with Microsoft and they have built us a special app that allows our precinct captains to report data quickly. They can do that right there on their smart phones or tablets or computers and they can do it very accurately because you can see the number you are typing in. Let's say you're reporting the results for Carly Fiorina. When you get to Fiorina's name, you will see the number of votes that you enter next to her name. Then you hit a button and that will be sent."
He added that at the central collection point there will be special algorithms to flag any data that doesn't match up to expectations, so unusual numbers will generate contact with the precinct for confirmation or correction.
"The results will be made available almost in real time. The results will come to us. They will go through that internal check I was talking about and then they will be published on a public website with a map view of Iowa. You will be able to see results at the precinct level."
Szold said that the polling will remain anonymous but the counting of ballots will be done in front of those attending the caucuses.
http://www.chronicletimes.com/story/2242041.html
If they're all standing in the same room to cast a secret vote on a computer, one after the other, though, I suppose that should stop people doing it twice.
brooklynite
(94,503 posts)...Republican vote on secret paper ballots, but they're all in the room together when they do it. Pretty hard for someone to slip extra ballots in.
Human101948
(3,457 posts)but he is tickling another conspiracy theory which his supporters have never been able to support with a shred of evidence. So of course they will cling to him reinforcing their cherished, unsubstantiated beliefs.
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)Damn fools they are! His supporters are useful tools. They are all being had, but too ignorant to get what's going on.
leftynyc
(26,060 posts)probably to Cruz and he's not used to losing and obviously will take no responsibility for losing. He's already coming with excuses and this wont be the only one he comes up with. Anything to muddy the waters with his brain dead supporters.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Don't you know that all of science is a huge conspiracy to further the political goals of a secretive cabal who hates America?
tikka
(762 posts)Trump is partially right in that voting machine are susceptible to tampering. The republicans have tampered with the electronic voting machines to win elections.
Roland99
(53,342 posts)They've made less equipment available in Democratic precincts vs. Republican ones (look at Ohio in 2004)
Sunlei
(22,651 posts)BeyondGeography
(39,369 posts)catbyte
(34,374 posts)7wo7rees
(5,128 posts)randr
(12,411 posts)No one could have written the script for this whiner bully better than he plays it out himself. It would take a modern day Shakespeare to come up with a character so perfectly flawed.
90-percent
(6,829 posts)VOTING FRAUD - electronic windows OS easily hacked voting machines have defied the will of the voters in the 2000 and 2004 elections.
VOTER FRAUD - when dead people vote and when individuals vote multiple times wit different I.D.'s. THIS IS VIRTUALLY UNHEARD OF AND IS SOMETIMES PROSECUTED, BUT it tends to be voters or officials making a mistake.
Some Rovian Conservative republican think tanks thought this line of propaganda up, and I think a surprising number of people in America think that VOTER FRAUD can turn elections over to the libtards. Hard to do if only .00001% of the vote count can be flipped in this manner.
"Catapulting the propaganda" playbook, chapter 1,852
Why can't we have nice things like wise statesmanlike leaders instead of disturbingly popular BIG LIE fascists?
-90% Jimmy
Botany
(70,496 posts)"You have people, in my opinion, that are voting many, many times." D Trump
Ah, Don in a word no. There was a study that looked at 1 billion votes and the study
found 6 possible cases of people voting twice.
Thav
(946 posts)It's his opinion that democrats (and only democrats, no republican would ever do it) are voting sometimes 20 or 30 times. Regardless of how much truth you hit him with, he's still stating his opinion.
But he said it, and now it's gospel truth for the GOP.
Tommy_Carcetti
(43,174 posts)Like little note cards of phrases and issues he knows low information, gullible conservatives will eat up and give him fuel in the polls.
He has the Immigrant Card, the Muslim Card, and now he's pulled out the Voter Fraud Card and will play it for all that he's got.
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)Well Donald, opinions are like assholes. Everybody has one. Even assholes.
asjr
(10,479 posts)This man needs to step down if he really believes in our country. He is doing more damage to us than anyone else on the slate. Where was he when the SCOTUS intervened and allowed G. W. Bush to become president when Gore actually won it?
Javaman
(62,521 posts)NoMoreRepugs
(9,413 posts)31 credible cases - substantiated claims, not prosecutions, some involving multiple ballots - out
of 1 billion votes cast
those numbers would have pointed out what a LIAR Trump is but oh no, the Post nor any other
credible media outlet can't get in the way of the gravy train that is the 5billion that will be spent
on political ads
https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/wonk/wp/2014/08/06/a-comprehensive-investigation-of-voter-impersonation-finds-31-credible-incidents-out-of-one-billion-ballots-cast/
so chances of voter fraud are roughly the same as you or I at some point winning a mega lottery
SoLeftIAmRight
(4,883 posts)wow - I agree with him
PatrickforO
(14,570 posts)The next step, of course, will be getting the heavily armed brownshirts out in the streets to crack heads and 'enforce' 'fair' and 'free' elections.
DetlefK
(16,423 posts)Concerning voter fraud:
Every citizen of the US gets a national ID. No more claiming that you are somebody else. No more hassles what is and what is not an acceptable ID for voting. Problem solved.
A national voter-database. No more voting where you aren't allowed to vote. No more mix-ups whether somebody is on the voter-rolls or got purged from them. Problem solved.
Concerning election fraud:
Those voting-machines age so fast, the electronics go defunct after 5-10 years (that's 2 national elections...), be they touch-screen voting-machines or optical scanners for counting votes from ballots. Instead, streamline all the ballots into pen&paper and count the votes by hand. Cheaper, safer, more transparent. Problem solved.
anigbrowl
(13,889 posts)Voter ID laws are typically a discriminatory response to demographic change based on false claims about an epidemic of voter fraud. But unless and until they are ruled unconstitutional they are the law in some states, so instead of waiting for the law to change it's important to use the time between now and the election to make sure people people like seniors, students and the poor are registered to vote at the correct address, have the appropriate ID to get to the polls and so on. Delays on this might impact their ability to vote in primaries and would definitely affect their ability to vote in the general. While Voter ID laws can easily impose an undue burden (especially in places like Alabama where many DMV offices have been shut down in an apparent attempt to disenfranchise voters), we can use the time to help alleviate that burden and help people to get valid ID. After all, there's pretty much no downside to having a valid ID.
I do not really think pen-and-paper voting is going to solve the problems the US has. I come from a country where we do that (Ireland) and it is slow as fuck to count votes, although that's partly because we have a more complex electoral system than most US districts. Still, even in referenda (which are simple yes/no votes) counting them by hand is slooooow. Considering the number of votes people typically cast at election time (President, Congressional Rep, maybe a Senator, state officials, local officials, ballot initiatives, etc. etc.) counting the votes by hand would take weeks because you would have to start over for every race on the ticket. After all you wouldn't want to grab already-counted ballots for President to begin counting votes for a Senate seat in case the result turned out to be close and you needed a recount. So either you have to have a definitive result for each contest before you start counting the votes for the next one, or you have to start giving people a separate ballot sheet for every contest. Where I live that would runt o 40 ro 50 pages of ballot forms that had to be handed out to every voter. It would be a logistical nightmare.
Now I don't mean to dismiss the real problems with electronic voting. But the problem is not that it's electronic as such, it's the lack of transparency. I am not sure what can be done about this. We could switch to open-source software, but that can also be subject to bugs and is vulnerable to hacking. I can think of a completely secure method of voting using blockchain/encryption technology, but there verfiability comes at the expense of secrecy which would be an even worse problem. So while we should definitely reform our electronic voting standards, there's no solution that is guaranteed to be problem-free. People who claim there are technologically bulletproof solutions (whether simple or complex) are simply wrong.
I'm sorry to tell you that paper ballots counted by hand are just as subject to corruption as electronic voting - I remember one election in San Francisco not so long ago where a whole bunch of ballots box lids were found washed up on local beaches, and like most people at the time I didn't find the explanation very compelling: http://www.sfgate.com/politics/article/Scavenged-ballot-box-lids-haunt-S-F-elections-3302604.php
Also, people on the losing end of elections in the UK and Ireland still complain that the ballots were rigged even if there's no evidence, so no matter what the system is people will always claim that voter fraud is a problem if there is political capital to be made out of it, as Trump is doing. He may not believe it or even care, but he knows his audience is convinced it exists, so he says so to keep the flock together.
nwduke
(350 posts)His shtick is getting very old. Do you repubs really want this dolt with his finger on the nuclear trigger?
world wide wally
(21,740 posts)He is making me physically ill
certainot
(9,090 posts)and has at least 15 years of talk radio repetition behind it.
it ramped up after the bush election theft to distract from their treason and was then sued to destroy ACORN (the left only noticed the video, which would not have succeeded on its own), sell electronic voting, and pass voter suppression laws in many states.
another hazard of the continuing political disaster of the left giving rw talk radio psyops a free speech free ride.
1200 ignored radio stations will play a big part in more successful election thefts in this country
rtracey
(2,062 posts)"This voting system is out of control. You have people, in my opinion, that are voting many, many times. They don't want security, they don't want cards."
the key words are in my opinion
lark
(23,094 posts)But it's not from people fraudulently voting, it's from machines being hacked to switch or delete votes from Democrats. Every time this has been done, it's been by Repugs. Notoriously, the Repug party stole the presidency for GW and did it twice. We need machine security and need laws that any voting machine company can't contribute politically and must make the code common knowledge. They need to be tested, secured and retested. I'm sure The Donald doesn't have a problem with that. He knows that women and minorities won't vote for him so is trying to limit their ability to vote. Yep, in that way he's a typical Repug.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)however. nt
Overly
(11 posts)For fact-checking.