Ann Coulter Now Suggests Ted Cruz Isn't A ‘Natural Born Citizen’

[Bucky]

Source: Talking Points Memo

Conservative pundit Ann Coulter, who once dismissed birthers as "cranks," suggested Wednesday that Sen. Ted Cruz (R-TX) may be ineligible for the presidency because he is not a “natural born citizen."

In a series of tweets, Coulter, an ardent anti-immigration advocate, suggested that Cruz was not a "natural born citizen," a requirement to run for President outlined in the Constitution:

NYT: Cruz was born outside the U.S. to 1 American parent: "Under the Constitution this makes him a 'natural born citizen.'” Absolutely false

Read more: http://talkingpointsmemo.com/livewire/ann-coulter-ted-cruz-birtherism

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Absolute bullshit, of course. Cruz not only is entirely eligible to run & serve as president, as Democrats, he's exactly who we want the Republicans to nominate. His showing nationally would be almost Goldwateresque.

[busterbrown]

1. Agree..

Trump is more difficult..

[PatSeg]

2. Goes to show

Absolutely NO ONE likes Ted Cruz!

[trillion]

34. I can't stand Coulter even more.

And I don't like Cruz.

[PatSeg]

42. I don't know if I

could pick one over the other. They are both pretty despicable, but I think Cruz is more dangerous.

[trillion]

60. You win, cruz is more dangerous

[Maeve]

3. It's interesting to watch when vermin turn on each other

Not that they'll do any physical harm...

[NurseJackie]

5. They are destroying (or weakening) their party from within ...

... Good! (I'll enjoy watching it happen.)

[BlueCaliDem]

51. Yep. If they allow fringies in their Party to take over, nothing good can come of that, as we see.

A warned person counts for two!

[DhhD]

4. This is a reply: Only if his mother got all of the paperwork to the American Embassy in time.

They were living in Canada, with neither parent born in Canada. Laws in the 1970s were different from the easy street N-600 we have today. For instance, about 10 years ago there were about 5 forms or copies of forms that a person had to turn in to a College Registrar; let's say in a Tennessee junior college, before admittance was allowed.

I believe that there is a law suite looking into just this situation.

Cruz did live in Texas in earlier years. He said that his father, deserted his mother and him in Calgary Alberta, Canada.

[Bucky]

35. Thanks for reply. Filing the paperwork late can't remove an infant's citizenship.

I know it's shocking to think about, but once upon a time Ted Cruz was a cute little innocent baby.

For the record, a cute little American baby.

[3catwoman3]

54. Speaking as a pediatric nurse practitioner with...

...40 years in the field, let me say that not all babies are cute. Ted Cruz may not have been.

[Jack Rabbit]

6. I wonder if Ms Couter would say this if she weren't a stormtrumper

We have seen for almost two decades that once this silly woman picks sides there's no end to the lies and smears she will tell about the opposition, even one who is a fellow right wing moron.

[Gregorian]

7. Orly Orly!

Where art thou?

[davidpdx]

23. Thread winner!

[NastyRiffraff]

8. I can't keep up...

They're all turning on each other, but like Russian Roulette. Nobody knows when blanks or live bullets are fired, or by whom. And it will get worse! I'll enjoy watching from my La-Z-Boy!

[Bernin]

9. Huh?

Can't stand Ann Coulter, actually find her to be a pox on society. But, Ted was born in Canada, his father is Cuban and his mother was not in Canada on an official US charter.
So, how is he eligible to be president?

[MADem]

12. Maybe t-Rump will challenge him in the Supreme Court? I'd love to see it! nt

[Bernin]

13. I'd pay

good money to see that.

[kwassa]

18. Mom doesn't have to be on a charter ..

whatever that means.

She can have the child on Mars, which is what I think happened with Ted, and he would still be an American citizen.

[Bernin]

19. Don't

insult Martians like that.

[kwassa]

29. Martians are too smart to run for President.

but Mars needs women!

[Midnight Writer]

32. If Mars Needs Women, Ann should apply. (Thanks to Tonio K)

[3catwoman3]

55. Well, that's an...

...amusingly graphic graphic.

[Bucky]

36. He's the child of an American citizen, so he's a born American. No other standard is required.

I do wish people would quit just making up bullshit. I mean, at least when Coulter does it, it's useful bullshit.

If you're a Democrat, you want Ted Cruz nominated. He's their weakest candidate.

[PatrynXX]

10. Some Canadians might disagree

as in he's a traitor whoops

[MADem]

11. I have to laugh at this. I think it's a 'sauce for the goose' payback!

Attitudes about "natural born" have genuinely morphed down the years, though.

People were convinced that Christian Herter, who was a charismatic fellow in his day, a MA governor and a SECSTATE, was "ineligible" to run for the Presidency because he was born in PARIS of expatriate American parents.

This was pretty much accepted as gospel.

The argument really only started getting refined in recent years, when people tried to insist that John McCain, born on "US soil" in an American Naval Hospital in Panama, a child of an active duty Naval officer and an American mother, was "born abroad." The pushback against that assertion was pretty vigorous, given that Dad was serving his country at the time and we owned the terra firma where Johnny was born.

People had the idea that if your parent wasn't on "official business" for the government, you'd best be born in the USA.

The view on this HAS changed down the years...!


I love the fact that Cruz is taking shit for it. I know that's probably unkind, but I don't care. I've no respect for that weasel.

In fact, I'd LOVE to see someone take it to the Supreme Court. Why not?

[lastlib]

28. Now THAT is HIGHLY INSULTING to the Mustelidae family!!

Weasels are noble animals compared to Cruz-shit. Kindly compare him to something much lower and closer to him--like sewage-scum. Or womp-rats.

[MADem]

45. Hee hee !!! nt

[bigworld]

39. He was born in the Canal Zone, not Panama proper, so it was US administered territory at the time

Unlike Calgary.

Has any court ever ruled on the exact meaning of natural born citizen? Surely it must have come up sometime.

[MADem]

43. I don't think that a court has so done. The matter is usually nipped in the bud before it's an

issue (Christian Herter as Ike's VP, e.g....Nixon ended up being "The One!&quot .

[Tab]

14. Oooh... infighting

[Overly]

15. Most legal experts say he is

I don't like Cruz, but that's a fact.

[MADem]

17. Forty or fifty years ago, most legal experts would say the opposite.

Now, if "Ma" was an attache, or even a secretary at the American Embassy, no problem....

I say take it to court! Raise some hell!

[CTyankee]

21. You really don't think so? Why on earth would he bother to run if he didn't know for sure

that he was a citizen? Not that I care...I thnk the guy is revolting...but just beause I dunno...

[MADem]

31. Because the attitude (and that's all it is, is an attitude) about what constituted a "natural born

citizen" has changed in that time.

It used to be, if your parents were willingly and WILFULLY absenting themselves from America, like Christian Herter's "expatriate" parents, that the child was "blamed" for their parents' bad citizenship by being denied the Natural Born appellation. Basically, the attitude was, if you are going to be running around the world having children, and you're not on gub-mint biz-niz, then those little rugrats aren't OURS!!!!

It was a very COMMON belief and attitude, and it is still held by many today. Hell, if they can try and claim that BHO, born in HI, is "foreign," then "Canadian Cruz" Ted deserves a much higher bar!!

[TeddyR]

53. There is actually a bit of uncertainty regarding Cruz's eligibility

Or at least it isn't 100% clear. Most cases dealing with the "natural born citizen" issue deal with individuals born in the US to non-citizens. Here's a piece from factcheck.org that briefly discusses Cruz's eligibility. http://www.factcheck.org/2015/03/ted-cruzs-presidential-eligibility/

And note, there is a difference between "natural born citizen" and just plain old "citizen." For example, someone naturalized after moving to the US is a "citizen" but not a "natural born citizen."

[Angry Dragon]

16. his dad was a Cuban spy

[NCjack]

20. Good point. Ted is also a Cuban spy. The damage he would do if prez is unimaginable. /s/nt

[Retrograde]

22. There is a certain consistency here

IIRC, one of the birther arguments was that even though Obama was born in Kenya (hey, it's their argument, not mine) to a US mother he was not a natural born citizen because his father was a Kenyan citizen. Or something like that. I do admire Coulter a teensy bit for applying the same logic to Cruz.

[treestar]

37. yes, at least she is being consistent

I think Cruz is eligible, but any right winger who was a birther is not consistent if they don't question Cruz the same way.

[davidpdx]

24. Let them eat their own

[MADem]

44. And why not whet their appetites in the process? We want them to make a good meal of this!

[mrmpa]

25. I'm no constitutional scholar, however..........

the fact that Cruz did not renounce his Canadian citizenship until shortly before he took office as a Senator, in my mind that makes him ineligible.

[underthematrix]

26. Ted Cruz was born in Calgary which is in a

country called Canada on a continent called North America. I want to see his birth certificate because I believe he is ineligible to run for POTUS.

[SwankyXomb]

57. He HAS shown his Canadian birth certificate

What he needs to show are the papers from the consulate in Calgary. Presumably he used them to get his passport while in high school, so why can't he do it and stop this nonsense?

[underthematrix]

58. where can I find his birth certificate

[saltpoint]

27. Ann Coulter is trying to

dynamite Cruz's bridge.

Who is she in the tank for this time? Trump?

[mwooldri]

30. But the real question is...

Is Ann Coulter a natural born human?

[MADem]

47. No, no, no--do NOT go there on this discussion board. Just don't. It's hateful.

I would advise you to delete this post.

[CTyankee]

40. of course not...what's wrong with hanging upside down in a cave every night???

[CTyankee]

38. oh, goodie, hoist by their own petard, as it were...

Let's let her and them fight...ha, ha, ha...serves 'em right...

[bigworld]

41. What was Cruz' position on the Obama birth issue when it was a thing?

anyone know?

[MADem]

46. With the caveat that you can find any quote on the internet that suits your argument.....

I found THIS:




Hell, I'll stir that GOP pot!

[lastlib]

48. His mother was a citizen; his father was a horse's patoot, apparently.......

[MADem]

49. Did Mamma run to the Embassy and register that birth? Or did she intend to leave

America forever to join her Cuban husband and make a new life in Canada?


(Insert soap opera organ music....)


Tune in tomorrow, as we continue the saga of ....

The Dumb and the Feckless!!!

[Yavin4]

50. When Godzilla and Mothra fight...

Just get out of their way.

[SummerSnow]

52. Coulter wasn't born on earth so that disqualifies her as a human

[ecstatic]

59. Cruz birthers believe that his mother renounced her American citizenship

prior to giving birth to Ted. The U.S. wouldn't have any way of knowing that, would they? After all, what happens in ___, stays in ___.

Did Ted's mom become a Canadian citizen prior to his birth, and if so, did the U.S. allow dual citizenship at that time?

I dunno... "I think it's worth looking into..."