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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 12:50 PM Jan 2016

Helsinki and Tallinn Agree to Build the World's Longest Underwater Rail Tunnel

Source: CityLab

This week, Finland got a step closer to building the longest undersea rail tunnel in the world.

The cities of Helsinki and Tallinn, Estonia, have just signed an agreement to develop a rail line connecting the two capitals via a 92-kilometer (57.2 mile) tunnel beneath the Baltic Sea. If all goes to plan, the link could slash journey times: a trip that currently takes one hour and 40 minutes at its very shortest would last just 30 minutes.

The link, costing up to €13 billion (roughly $14 billion), would nonetheless do more than just speed up the flow of goods and people. It would help fashion the two cities into a single metro area. From being lonely siblings waving at each other across the waves, Helsinki and Tallinn could effectively become two centers of a newly unified metropolis of 1.5 million citizens.

Bringing Helsinki and Tallinn more closely makes perfect sense. The two capitals already have close connections, helped by the mutual intelligibility of the Finnish and Estonian languages. Linked by a ferry crossing that transports 8 million passengers annually, the two cities have been growing together since Estonia achieved official independence in 1991. Business and tourist traffic between the two cities goes in both directions; a third of all Estonia’s alcohol sales, for example, are bought by Finns who cross the sea on the hunt for cheaper booze.

Read more: http://www.citylab.com/commute/2016/01/helsinki-tallinn-rail-tunnel-baltic/423030/

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Helsinki and Tallinn Agree to Build the World's Longest Underwater Rail Tunnel (Original Post) brooklynite Jan 2016 OP
Just think of all the revenue from DUI tickets! LiberalEsto Jan 2016 #1
According to the article it will be a rail tunnel. Ace Rothstein Jan 2016 #3
Whew, I'm so relieved LiberalEsto Jan 2016 #5
Had a similar thoght JoFerret Jan 2016 #19
Yikes! Bjornsdotter Jan 2016 #2
If you think that's bad, think of being in Japan's Seikan Tunnel Art_from_Ark Jan 2016 #9
Bringing the world together with cheap booze FrodosPet Jan 2016 #4
A new exit in case of a Russian movement like Ukraine. DhhD Jan 2016 #6
Estonia is part of NATO and EU, Finland is part of the EU.. okojo Jan 2016 #8
Wow iandhr Jan 2016 #7
Cool. Good for them. trillion Jan 2016 #10
"Helsinki and Tallinn could effectively become two centers of a newly unified metropolis of 1.5M" KamaAina Jan 2016 #11
This is why we can't have nice things like the rest of the world: kentauros Jan 2016 #16
+1000! n/t LiberalEsto Jan 2016 #20
Countries can do cool things when they don't spend a trillion every year on "defense" tabasco Jan 2016 #12
What do you believe the DoD budget is in terms of dollars, % of the federal budget and % of GDP? n/t 24601 Jan 2016 #14
It doesn't matter what I believe. What matters are facts. tabasco Jan 2016 #17
I'm perfectly fine limiting DoD the the same expenditure as Social Security and capping it at 5% of 24601 Jan 2016 #18
Why on Earth link defense spending to social security? tabasco Jan 2016 #21
Actual "defense" spending is closer to a trillion. tabasco Jan 2016 #22
I wouldn't want to be there when ISIS blows it up Kaleva Jan 2016 #13
If the GOP ever decided to build something, instead ChairmanAgnostic Jan 2016 #15
 

LiberalEsto

(22,845 posts)
1. Just think of all the revenue from DUI tickets!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:28 PM
Jan 2016

Finns do travel to Estonia frequently to binge-drink, because alcoholic beverages are far less expensive there than in Finland.

Estonians sometimes refer to Finns as "northern moose" (põhja põdrad) because of the way they drunkenly stumble around Tallinn.

I , for one, would not want to ride in that tunnel when it's full of drunks.

JoFerret

(10,704 posts)
19. Had a similar thoght
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 10:14 PM
Jan 2016

Am sure that the Helsinki-Tallinn link is important for all kinds of reasons but never did understand the economics of paying a ferry fee to import personal loads of cheap booze.

Bjornsdotter

(6,123 posts)
2. Yikes!
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 01:35 PM
Jan 2016

Not sure I could make the trip. I have a hard time on the short tunnel when leaving Denmark on the Öresund Bridge.

Art_from_Ark

(27,247 posts)
9. If you think that's bad, think of being in Japan's Seikan Tunnel
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 03:52 AM
Jan 2016

during the M9.0 earthquake of 2011. And if you want to have a truly undersea tunnel experience, you can stop and buy some souvenirs at the tunnel's "Kaitei Eki", the world's only undersea "station".

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seikan_Tunnel

okojo

(76 posts)
8. Estonia is part of NATO and EU, Finland is part of the EU..
Thu Jan 7, 2016, 05:15 PM
Jan 2016

Russia will be a bully on this project, or anything that it doesn't control in its "Near Abroads", but Russia can't run ramshod over Estonia and Finland as it did with Ukraine, besides Finland is a huge trading partner for Russia... and Russia needs Finnish Ships built in Finland's shipyards..

 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
11. "Helsinki and Tallinn could effectively become two centers of a newly unified metropolis of 1.5M"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 01:55 PM
Jan 2016

57 miles apart? By that logic, so could Baltimore and Washington, or for that matter, San Jose and San Francisco/Oakland. (Believe me, it doesn't work that way now. ) The key is high-speed rail links.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
12. Countries can do cool things when they don't spend a trillion every year on "defense"
Fri Jan 8, 2016, 07:27 PM
Jan 2016

Just imagine what the USA could do for our infrastructure and society if we cut our defense budget in half. We'd still spend by far more than any other nation.

24601

(3,959 posts)
14. What do you believe the DoD budget is in terms of dollars, % of the federal budget and % of GDP? n/t
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:07 PM
Jan 2016
 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
17. It doesn't matter what I believe. What matters are facts.
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 06:28 PM
Jan 2016

The US spends nearly as much as the rest of the world combined on "defense."

Percent of GDP is irrelevant. Only actual threats to national security are relevant when discussing the defense budget. Otherwise, you are simply rationalizing and excusing massive profiteering that is robbing the American people.

What do you believe makes it necessary to spend so much on defense. ?

24601

(3,959 posts)
18. I'm perfectly fine limiting DoD the the same expenditure as Social Security and capping it at 5% of
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 08:21 PM
Jan 2016

the GDP, But when you cited a annual budget of a trillion you were off by $400B.

For example, the 2014 DoD budget was $596B - 17% of the federal buget

Social Security was $845B, 24%

Health Care Spending was $831B.

In 2015, DoD represented 4.5% of GDP and it is projected to be 3.8% on 2020.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
21. Why on Earth link defense spending to social security?
Sun Jan 10, 2016, 05:50 PM
Jan 2016

That is simply bizarre and illogical.

ChairmanAgnostic

(28,017 posts)
15. If the GOP ever decided to build something, instead
Sat Jan 9, 2016, 04:24 PM
Jan 2016

of destroying so much of our society, their tunnel would lead from
Houston to Dallas,
It would be powered by coal powered trains,
It would fail to carry anyone of color,
It would force women to prove that their husbands allowed them to travel
And
The contractors would make out like bandits with Turner Construction or Xi like contracts in Iraq.
The only difference would be that there would be no cargo jet filled with cash for bribes. They would handle those electronically.

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