AP FACT CHECK: Misshapen rhetoric in Republican debate

[vkkv]

Source: AP / S.F. Gate


A look at some claims and how they compare with the facts:

CRUZ: "President Obama's preparing to send $100 billion or more to the Ayatollah Khamenei."

THE FACTS: Cruz makes it sound like the U.S. is bestowing the largest-ever foreign aid payment on longtime foe Iran. The reality is much more mundane: A seven-nation nuclear deal commits Tehran to curbing its nuclear activities. In exchange, Iran regains access to about $100 billion of its own money that had been frozen under international sanctions.


CRUZ: Any country that makes U.S. service members get on their knees like the 10 sailors whose boats were boarded and seized by the Iranian military this week "will feel the full force and fury of the United States of America."

CHRISTIE: "Tin pot dictators ... are taking our Navy ships."

THE FACTS: Neither candidate addressed the fact that the short-lived crisis was created by the U.S. sailors who steered their boats into sovereign Iranian waters, where they were boarded and seized by Iranian naval forces. Defense Secretary Ash Carter said Thursday that the U.S. sailors had made a navigation error.

Under such circumstances it would not be unusual to disarm members of a foreign military force — even a small one like the two Navy boats — and hold them temporarily for questioning. What was exceptional about this episode — and perhaps a provocation — is that the Iranians videotaped the Americans during the encounter and posted the images on the Internet.

The suggestion by Cruz that he would have launched a military attack on Iran in response to such an incident is hard to square with accepted international tests for the use of force.

Iran returned the sailors unharmed and their boats undamaged.

Read more: http://www.sfgate.com/news/politics/article/AP-FACT-CHECK-Claims-from-the-Republican-debate-6760848.php

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Who COULD VOTE for these guys??

Unbelievable, literally !!!

[Wellstone ruled]

1. Damn,the facts are getting in the way of my

message. Sound bites.

[Human101948]

2. People who want us to be the biggest baddest bullies on the planet...

Thir feelings of inadequacy are so frightening that they embrace anyone who tells them that we "aren't gonna take any shit" and we will make the rest of the world quiver in fear.

[tech3149]

3. For you and me that falls into the NSS category

The so-called conservatives no longer try to sell there hype on facts or, you know, reality! Just get down to that reptilian brain and offer up an easy solution that feels good.

[Red Knight]

12. Absolutely right!

nm

[Conch]

4. I don't mind it when...

Folks that have never been in a war advocate for diplomacy and are against war. But when someone who has never seen a threat to their lives wants to be a bully from afar....... fuck them.

Typical gun owners... want to have a weapon that they can discharge to someone they don't have face.

[houston16revival]

5. New York Values

he may have hit pay dirt on that one. Don't get me wrong, I was born in NY, near NYC.
My values are there to some extent.

But you don't disagree with modern New Yorkers. You don't tell them. They tell you.

And what Boy Ted really means is New York media culture, casino, billionaire values.

Gambling and its associated vices are not consistent with GOP Family Values and
their Fundamentalist base.

I don't see who could vote for any of them of any stripe.

[NCjack]

6. GOP values have been succinctly described by one of their own practitioners

of exploitation. "Somehow we find it hard to sell our values, namely that the rich should plunder the poor." (John Foster Dulles, former U.S. Secretary of State) Yes, that gets them all, even those not on the main stage.

[Hortensis]

9. I'm reading a book about A. Hamilton and T. Jefferson.

Hamilton especially, and Washington, were continually disgusted and outraged by rapacious businessmen more than willing to sacrifice all we fought for and achieved to their own profits. I felt as if they literally could have been talking about today. Nothing's changed as far as human nature goes.

[vkkv]

7. Yes, Ted is talking about GOP Family Values such as

the Dugger family and his father's INSANELY evil evangelical horse-shit.

[ashling]

8. "Misshapen rhetoric" my ass! - brief rant

Where did they come up with that descriptor. That makes it sound like they used really, really bad grammar - which, in Donald Trump's case, at least, was a given.

They might have used shapeshifting rhetoric because changing the things the Republiklan canydates said into actual fact is about as likely as changin Professor Mcgonagall into a black cat.

There's a simple, unambiguous word which covers most of the "rhetoric" coming out of tha group of lunatics: LIES! Outright pulled fresh out of their asses, knock a buzzard off of a shitwagon LIES!!

ow you may return to your regular reading.

[Hortensis]

10. Needs saying, tho, right? Go, Ashling! :)

[ashling]

11. Thank you