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bananas

(27,509 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:06 PM Jan 2016

Gas wars: A gallon is just 46 cents here

Source: CNBC

While gas prices are low nationwide, some stations are slashing the fuel's price to rock-bottom levels to the tune of less than 50 cents a gallon.

The drastic price cuts are part of a gas price war at three Houghton Lake, Mich., stations.

During the last three days, the prices dropped below a buck per gallon, falling as low as 46 cents at Sunrise Marathon. Meanwhile, the Beacon & Bridge gas station was as low as 47 cents, said employees of each station in interviews with CNBC.

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There have been long lines at the stations for most of the weekend, according to the three stations, with police officers directing traffic in the area due to the congestion.

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Read more: http://www.cnbc.com/2016/01/18/gas-wars-a-gallon-is-just-46-cents-here.html

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Gas wars: A gallon is just 46 cents here (Original Post) bananas Jan 2016 OP
By Monday morning the war was over and the lowest price was $1.38 bananas Jan 2016 #1
I can remember griping about 47 cents a Gallon. PeoViejo Jan 2016 #2
I remember LittleGirl Jan 2016 #3
The bigger problem was when it crossed a dollar/gal Tab Jan 2016 #11
I can remember my father complaining of 35 cents a gallon gasoline. happyslug Jan 2016 #24
I want time travel back to the 70's so badly....... dixiegrrrrl Jan 2016 #34
I remember paying.. cannabis_flower Jan 2016 #35
Message auto-removed Name removed Jan 2016 #4
no you don't corkhead Jan 2016 #14
I don't know PatSeg Jan 2016 #18
2.99 $ a gallon in L.A. olddots Jan 2016 #5
$3.19 off the 101 at the LA/Ventura County border. LibDemAlways Jan 2016 #6
Damn! That's ridiculous. I used high-test and it's 1.89 BlueJazz Jan 2016 #29
Yep. Heard long explanation on radio about why calif gas prices stay high Liberal_in_LA Jan 2016 #39
Exorbitant gas taxes are definitely a factor. LibDemAlways Jan 2016 #43
About $2.50 in the north Bay Area. nt DisgustipatedinCA Jan 2016 #7
Yeah, I just paid $2.79 at a gas station that is not a major brand. cui bono Jan 2016 #23
People are strange shadowmayor Jan 2016 #8
Yeah, but for some people an extra 15 or 20 bucks in the pocket is a big deal. progressoid Jan 2016 #9
Totally concur shadowmayor Jan 2016 #17
Agreed. progressoid Jan 2016 #25
"if your time is worth $10 an hour" noamnety Jan 2016 #13
No denigration of poverty here shadowmayor Jan 2016 #16
Maybe you saw a different news story besides what was posted. noamnety Jan 2016 #22
My apologies shadowmayor Jan 2016 #26
I think it was just a misunderstanding. Welcome to DU! closeupready Jan 2016 #31
Thanks for understanding. noamnety Jan 2016 #36
It's in the $2.20 to $2.40 a gallon range here in Olympia, Washington Kennah Jan 2016 #10
Around here (north of Boston) it was $1.78 last I filled. Tab Jan 2016 #12
$1.59 in Houston n/t TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #15
Yeah, but you got all the damned oil. Tab Jan 2016 #19
True, gas is always cheaper here TexasBushwhacker Jan 2016 #21
You are lucky! We will never have as cheap of gas as your state yeoman6987 Jan 2016 #28
Thank you President Newt Gingrich jpak Jan 2016 #20
Bwahaha, love it. johnnyrocket Jan 2016 #37
Gas prices from the original movie "Die Hard"... Spitfire of ATJ Jan 2016 #27
Cheap gas -- $1.59 in Minneapolis. LuckyLib Jan 2016 #30
A gallon here is truegrit44 Jan 2016 #32
About $1.89 in New York. closeupready Jan 2016 #33
We are almost back to prices from before that idiot Shrub took office. roamer65 Jan 2016 #38
shows everyone how much profit the Corps have enjoyed for 100 years Sunlei Jan 2016 #40
Local, State and Federal Gas Tax LTG Jan 2016 #41
I remember gas being about $1.99 or so davidpdx Jan 2016 #42
I vacationed there in August Jimbo S Jan 2016 #44
I bet those folks who "reserved gas" at $2.50/gal a few years ago are pissed. Myrina Jan 2016 #45

bananas

(27,509 posts)
1. By Monday morning the war was over and the lowest price was $1.38
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:09 PM
Jan 2016
http://www.foxnews.com/us/2016/01/18/gas-prices-fall-below-1-in-michigan.html

Gas prices fall below $1 in Michigan
Published January 18, 2016

At some Michigan gas stations on Sunday, drivers could buy a gallon of gas for a couple of quarters – and still get change back.

The uber low prices – recorded as low as 47 cents at one station in Houghton Lake – appeared to be the result of a local price war. Photographs of several stations showed prices below $1, FOX2 reported.

Rough driving conditions in the area of several stations didn’t deter customers on Sunday and police had to help direct traffic due to long gas lines, 9&10News reported.

By Monday morning the super savings appeared to be over and the lowest price was $1.38 at a Kroger in Lambertville, according to GasBuddy.com.

 

PeoViejo

(2,178 posts)
2. I can remember griping about 47 cents a Gallon.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:12 PM
Jan 2016

..out in the middle of the Nevada on rt. 50. After all, I had been paying as little as 18 cents in OKC, in 1971. My little 70 Beetle was cheap to run, and the payments were only $58 per Month.

Everything is relative. Thank The Banksters for pocketing their 6% from the Fed.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
11. The bigger problem was when it crossed a dollar/gal
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:25 PM
Jan 2016

I remember it as cheap as 35c to 40c.

When it crossed a dollar, though, there was a lot of problems because pump meters only went up to 99 cents. So for a while they were charging it per quart, which made do until all the pump meters could be updated.

 

happyslug

(14,779 posts)
24. I can remember my father complaining of 35 cents a gallon gasoline.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:10 PM
Jan 2016

That was about 1972-1973 period, just before the first Oil Embargo. My father had a 1970 Datsun Pickup, which had great fuel economy, but he still objected to the huge increase in the price of gasoline in that period.

Since the 1930s Gasoline in the US had averaged around 25 cents a gallon (Varied over the country based on the amount of gasoline tax each state imposed AND cost of shipping the Gasoline to your section of the Country, thus your 18 cents a gallon in OKC, would of the same time period as the 25 cents a gallon in Western Pennsylvania, Western PA is at the end of the Mississippi and Ohio river barge route for gasoline and even then Pennsylvania has one of the highest taxes on Gasoline).

25 cents (18 cents in Oil producing areas) was the price the Texas Railroad Commission liked. Texas was then the single largest producer of oil in the world (so to be bypassed by Saudi Arabia in the 1970s, but from the 1930s to 1970, Texas was the world's "Swing producer", the oil producer who could set the price of oil by how much oil it produced).

From the 1930s till 1970 (except during WWII), the Texas Railroad Commission, which had the power to restrict oil production in Texas (and as such the Head of that Commission had more power then the Governor of Texas), set world oil prices by determining how much oil would be produced in Texas. If the price was to high, the Commission increased Texas oil production, if the price was to low, the Commission cut Texas oil production. The purpose of this was to maintain a stable price for oil, or as stable as such a price could be made. The Texas Railroad Commission by controlling Texas Oil Production set world wide oil price. One old joke about OPEC was that OPEC was founded in 1960 so the Seven Sisters only had to go to one place to tell the other oil producers what the price of oil had been set by the Texas Railroad Commission.

Come 1969, for the first time since WWII, the Texas Railroad Commission fully opened up all of the Texas Oil Fields, and even with that change the price of Gasoline went from 25 cents to 35 cents a gallon. Texas had lost control over the price of Oil.

We all know about the 1973 Oil Embargo, but Americans tends NOT to know of the 1956 and 1967 oil embargos, WHy? Because in 1956 and 1967, the US was still a net Oil exporter and thus the Arab Oil Embargo of 1956 and 1967 had no affect on the US. The problem was by 1973 the US was a net oil IMPORTER, as the lower 48 states oil production dropped but demand for oil increased. Thus you saw a huge jump from 35 cents a gallon to 75 and 80 cents a gallon almost overnight. My Father actually did not complain about that increase for the Oil Embargo and the subsequent jump in price was all over the news.

My father had complained about the jump from 25 cents to 35 cents a gallon, for it was seen but NOT reported on (More Accurately the Newspapers and Television News did not report on WHY the increase in the price of gasoline BEFORE the oil Embargo). In effect my Father complaints was NOT that the price was 35 Cents a gallon, but why was it 35 cents a gallon when it had just a few years before been 25 cents a gallon. No one was telling people why, for they did not want to admit that the US had hit its first "Peak Oil". That had been predicted in the 1950s but everyone dismissed it for unlike Hubbard, who looked at the price of oil being produced, others just looked at total oil that could be produced (i.e. including the Fracking oil fields that have come into production since 2002, as oil slowly increased to almost $5 a gallon, Hubbard's prediction was based on oil that could be sold at 25 cents a gallon, but that oil peaked in 1968 and had NEVER increased since that date. What has increased is oil that cost a lot more to produce and the world price did not support production of that oil til after 2005 when oil finally reached the highest price it had been at since the US Civil War).

Just a comment on the price of oil. US oil production was suppose to get so high by 2017 that the US was suppose to become a net oil exporter again. The problem was that was based on oil at $80 a barrel, i.e. more then $3.50 a gallon and since oil price peaked in 2008, the price of oil has dropped. Do to how the fracking wells were financed, they could NOT be shut down when the price of oil dropped below they cost of production.

In fracking wells, the huge cost is drilling the well. Once Drilled, the actual cost of producing the oil is quite low. Thus when oil was $80 a barrel or more a gallon, drillers could get almost any financing to drill their wells. Then the bottom fell out of the market, and cost of oil fell below cost of production, if you included the cost of drilling the well. On the other hand, the cost of production EXCLUDING the cost of drilling the well, is quite low and these well are producing oil today. The old adage goes this way "If you can not maximize profits, minimize your loss". That is what Fracking well drillers have been doing since about 2013, producing oil from wells they already have, but refusing to drill any new wells. Some of driller stopped in 2010, but others had signed contracts that required them to drill or lose their right to drill AND still pay the fees to the landowner for the right to drill. i.e. Drill or lost even more money. These drillers kept on drilling till 2014, when most of the wells subject to such contract had been drilled.

The prediction that the US would become a net oil exporter by 2017 was based on expectation that the number of wells being drilled would continue at the same pace as in the 2006-2010 period. The problem was a good bit of such drilling was done in the 2010 to 2014 period, but in 2014 drilling slowed down, to reflect the low price for oil. Thus the US will NOT become a net oil exporter in 2017, we are exporting crude but importing as much or more crude AND refined products from overseas.

From what I have read, 2017 looks like the year oil production and price bottoms out (Some experts think it will be 2016). Then you should see a slow but steady rise on the price of oil, as in the period 2002 till 2010. As the price of oil goes up, more wells will be drilled to cash in on the increase price, thus the slow increase in price.

Now, how low will the price of oil go before it starts to climb? I just do not see it dropping below $1.00 plus whatever if your state gasoline tax (in my state that means $1.50 a gallon, Pennsylvania has a 50 Cents a gallon gasoline tax). It is presently $2.09 so another 50 cents drop is possible. On the other hand, the dynamics in oil production means something has to give in the next two years. Iran re entering the oil market is a wild card, it may force the price even lower as Iran sells Oil it could not sell in prior years.

On the other hand the top two oil EXPORTERS are Saudi Arabia and Russia (combined they out produce the next 10 exporters combined). Both Saudi Arabia and Russia export about the same amount of oil (with the US the #3 oil producer, but a net oil importer not an exporter). England is again an net oil importer (it had been a net exporter from the 1980s till about 2000). Mexican oil production is down, but Canadian oil production is up (but while the US is importing more oil from Canada then Mexico these days, the Canadian fields are no where near as productive as the older and now mostly drained Mexican Oil fields).

Just a comment, that I expect Oil and Gasoline prices to stay low for at least another year, then start a slow but steady increase in price starting either late 2016 or early 2017 (with the exception is something bad happens like Saudi Arabia goes into full Civil War).

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
34. I want time travel back to the 70's so badly.......
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:24 PM
Jan 2016

Everything went to hell in handbasket after 1980-, compared to before, even with the war.

cannabis_flower

(3,764 posts)
35. I remember paying..
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 09:32 PM
Jan 2016

18 cents a gallon at Fedmart in Victoria, Texas and my grandpa telling me it wasn't good gas and that I should pay the 25 cent a gallon that the second lowest in town was.

Last I got gas at Costco it was $1.49 - in Houston.

Response to bananas (Original post)

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
6. $3.19 off the 101 at the LA/Ventura County border.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:49 PM
Jan 2016

News of a gas war apparently is blacked out here!

LibDemAlways

(15,139 posts)
43. Exorbitant gas taxes are definitely a factor.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:38 AM
Jan 2016

I also suspect (very unscientifically) that in some areas where people in general have more money gas station operators take advantage. The station I mentioned is on Kanan Rd. on the way to Malibu. Johnny Carson used to fill up there.

cui bono

(19,926 posts)
23. Yeah, I just paid $2.79 at a gas station that is not a major brand.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jan 2016

I usually go to Valero but there's this new one right by my house and I was on empty. Anyone know about this brand (pic was from summer I think)?



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shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
8. People are strange
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 04:53 PM
Jan 2016

Most folks will buy about 10 gallons of gas at a time. At $2 or so a gallon, that's ~ 20 bucks. The wait in gas lines can be close to an hour in these gas wars, certainly if you factor in the drive time to and from the station just to get gas. If your time is worth 10 bucks an hour, that's $10 bucks. Along the way, many stop for a Starbucks type coffee and some food for another $10 bucks or so.
In total, maybe $20 bucks of time and treats spent to save money on some gas. How much savings? About $15 bucks at most. That's 10 gallons at 50 cents vs 2 dollars per gallon. It might be more, but thist shows how crazy folks get when cheap gas is the deal of the day. Spent an hour in line, downed some coffee and doughnuts (cost may be around 20 bucks) all to save $15 bucks getting cheap gas. What a deal.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
17. Totally concur
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:11 PM
Jan 2016

I wasn't making light of those who count on every buck to make ends meet. But I'm sure there were lots of folks doing quite OK who rushed down to get some cheap gas. It's how we're raised to be in this country.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
13. "if your time is worth $10 an hour"
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:35 PM
Jan 2016

The median income for men in Houghton Lake is about $11.50 an hour and for women just over $8 an hour. Before taxes.

I imagine if you've never been in poverty, it's easy to laugh at people who would spend an hour trying to make - or save - $10.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
16. No denigration of poverty here
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:08 PM
Jan 2016

Been in the poor house, hell I was raised in poverty and didn't know anything else. Yes $20 means a lot to many Americans. My only observation is that what motivates our society is often strange. If Mickey D's starts selling burgers for 50 cents, folks rush down to get some, even folks who don't normally go to the golden arches. There was no laughter meant at the economic plight of people, just at the lengths we go to to get a better deal. And I'm betting there were plenty of well-to-do cheap asses who were in line too. It's how we're brought up as Americans.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
22. Maybe you saw a different news story besides what was posted.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:53 PM
Jan 2016

I don't know. All I see is a community where a lot of the people are working class or below, trying to save money on what - for many people - is a basic need.

To me the post came off as prejudging poor people for no real reason, just kind of out of the blue, like a welfare queen stereotype response.

I'd understand if it was in fact an article about mcdonalds, or krispy kreme, or some other nonsense, instead of a basic thing people need to get to work.

shadowmayor

(1,325 posts)
26. My apologies
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

I understand your point of view and it was in no way my intent to slam the poor and working class people in this story. In fact it bothers me that my post was taken that way. Duly noted.

 

noamnety

(20,234 posts)
36. Thanks for understanding.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:52 PM
Jan 2016

And apologies from me for overreacting - it's a touchy issue for me. (obviously)

Kennah

(14,256 posts)
10. It's in the $2.20 to $2.40 a gallon range here in Olympia, Washington
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jan 2016

Only time I've paid less than $2 a gallon recently was with supermarket rewards points, and even then it was $1.99

Tab

(11,093 posts)
12. Around here (north of Boston) it was $1.78 last I filled.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jan 2016

Ironically, I'm not commuting any more than necessary; I sure could have used $1.78 when I was doing a heavy commute daily, but then it was closer to $4.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
19. Yeah, but you got all the damned oil.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 06:18 PM
Jan 2016

I'd fill up in Venezeula if I could, but the costs of getting there would outweigh the savings.
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
28. You are lucky! We will never have as cheap of gas as your state
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:46 PM
Jan 2016

It's a nice thing for you. Enjoy it. Many don't have it.

 

closeupready

(29,503 posts)
33. About $1.89 in New York.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:24 PM
Jan 2016

I had half a tank yesterday, and went to the station to have them fill it up - $16. Right after Hurricane Sandy, it was unbelievable - $4.50 or so.

roamer65

(36,745 posts)
38. We are almost back to prices from before that idiot Shrub took office.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 11:43 PM
Jan 2016

I paid 1.59 this last weekend in MI.

I am still waiting for Shrub and the Sith Lord Cheney to be sent to The Hague for war crimes.

LTG

(215 posts)
41. Local, State and Federal Gas Tax
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 04:56 AM
Jan 2016

The difference in the per gallon combined tax on gasoline is a factor in all of the price variability.

The per gallon tax difference between the lowest and highest states, in the lower 48, is about $0.36/gal.

Considering the tax on gas in Michigan those warring stations were giving the gas away.

davidpdx

(22,000 posts)
42. I remember gas being about $1.99 or so
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 05:04 AM
Jan 2016

right before I moved to South Korea at the beginning of 2004. I've been back a few times since then (2007, 2009, 2011, and 2014). I remember it being high in 2009 and 2011 and not so bad in 2014.

Jimbo S

(2,958 posts)
44. I vacationed there in August
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 11:45 AM
Jan 2016

The area is semi-remote. I wonder how much extra it costs just to truck the gas up there.

Myrina

(12,296 posts)
45. I bet those folks who "reserved gas" at $2.50/gal a few years ago are pissed.
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 12:19 PM
Jan 2016

Remember when it was creeping close to the $5/gal mark, and several gas stations started to offer people the ability to 'buy in advance' at a set price? Wonder how far forward those advances went, and if anyone's still stuck paying $2.50/gal because of it?

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