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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:11 PM Jan 2016

Oil Slumps Below $28 To 2003 Low As Iran Sanctions Lifted

Source: Reuters

Oil prices slumped to a 2003 low below $28 per barrel on Monday as the market anticipated a rise in Iranian exports after the lifting of sanctions against Tehran over the weekend.

Responding to Tehran's compliance with a nuclear deal, the United States and major powers revoked international sanctions that had cut Iran's oil exports by about 2 million barrels per day (bpd) since their pre-sanctions 2011 peak to little more than 1 million bpd.

Iran, a member of the Organization of the Petroleum Exporting Countries (OPEC), issued an order on Monday to increase production by 500,000 bpd, the country's deputy oil minister said.

Worries about Iran's return to an already oversupplied oil market drove down Brent crude LCOc1 to $27.67 a barrel early on Monday, its lowest since 2003. The benchmark was down 29 cents at $28.64 by 1850 GMT (1350 ET).

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-global-oil-idUSKCN0UV14D

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Oil Slumps Below $28 To 2003 Low As Iran Sanctions Lifted (Original Post) Purveyor Jan 2016 OP
Just another way Obama is helping the economy. craigmatic Jan 2016 #1
And yet California/Los Angeles...$2.75-$3.00/gallon. SoapBox Jan 2016 #2
Why do you live there? Drahthaardogs Jan 2016 #3
There's lot's more than the entertainment industry here. jaysunb Jan 2016 #4
That's where the action is, and has been for a long time. alfredo Jan 2016 #5
Why live here? Plucketeer Jan 2016 #15
No shit this is pissing me off GummyBearz Jan 2016 #18
bullshit excuses. CountAllVotes Jan 2016 #20
Not really hack89 Jan 2016 #24
No pure B.S. is what it is CountAllVotes Jan 2016 #25
This is what the LA Times has to say about it hack89 Jan 2016 #26
California has created a unique and isolated market for gas with their environmental laws hack89 Jan 2016 #23
I am really sad to see the oil companies go through such hardship. doc03 Jan 2016 #6
That would be below $15 in 1990 dollars. Odin2005 Jan 2016 #7
Oil Futures? SoCalMusicLover Jan 2016 #8
Once we get involved in three or four new wars next year, it will shoot back up. Frank Cannon Jan 2016 #10
Yes MosheFeingold Jan 2016 #11
That's because Pres Bush called up the Arabs and said, "Open those spigots." rpannier Jan 2016 #9
The barrel costs more than the oil inside it LastLiberal in PalmSprings Jan 2016 #12
They own the barrel making factory. So it's pennies. But this is a perfect storm brewing. Gregorian Jan 2016 #13
So, does that make fracking too expensive? Tab Jan 2016 #14
Yes Plucketeer Jan 2016 #16
This message was self-deleted by its author LiberalArkie Jan 2016 #17
Deja vu all over again newblewtoo Jan 2016 #19
30k + cars & cheap interest rates on 8 year car loans will be the next crash we can 'bank on' Sunlei Jan 2016 #21
but I'm enjoying the cheap gas bluestateguy Jan 2016 #22
I am really enjoying thisa low gas price jamzrockz Jan 2016 #27

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
3. Why do you live there?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:24 PM
Jan 2016

Unless you are in the movie industry, why subject yourself to those prices, that traffic, etc.

alfredo

(60,071 posts)
5. That's where the action is, and has been for a long time.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:35 PM
Jan 2016

Liberalism has allowed for creativity across the board. The computer industry could not have been born in Mississippi, or South Carolina.

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
15. Why live here?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:27 PM
Jan 2016

It's a truly progressive state. That gas is higher here is partly because of the many and important taxes we have and also because of the spe4cial blends of gasoline that we switch between for the seasons. It's not easy to have clean air here because of the geography of this state. But it COULD look like those smog-bound cities in China if we did nothing to try and cut emissions.

Hell, the movie industry is almost non-existent here anymore. The studios still have a presence here, but even they have off-shored most of the real work that provides entertainment.

CountAllVotes

(20,867 posts)
25. No pure B.S. is what it is
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jan 2016

They are saying the refineries in southern California are down right now which is fine I suppose if you live in southern Calif. However, the people living in the northern part of the state get their gasoline from Richmond, Calif. They are not "down" but their refineries are in a sad state of repair is the claim, hence the reason for the high prices.

If it weren't excuses such as these, they'd find other ones, believe it.

Noted gasoline to be at $2.49 at COSTCO yesterday, the lowest seen in several years but far from a gas war, that is for sure. I remember when it was 30+ cents a gallon. You could put $1.00 worth of gasoline in your car and drive around all night for that and there were no excuses then. I also remember the gas lines in the 70s and they had excuses then too.

Excuses excuses.

hack89

(39,171 posts)
26. This is what the LA Times has to say about it
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:31 AM
Jan 2016
That's partly because California is considered an island in the industry, cut off from other oil-producing regions by its stringent environmental rules and a dearth of interstate pipelines. To improve air quality, the state limits the type of gasoline to a specially formulated blend commonly known as CARBOB. The blend, too expensive for most outside producers to make and deliver, is largely created within the state.

Before California adopted its special gasoline blend, refinery-level wholesale prices in the state averaged an inflation-adjusted 6 cents above the national average. From 1996 to 2014, they averaged 16 cents higher, according to Severin Borenstein, an economics professor specializing in energy markets and regulation at UC Berkeley's Haas School of Business.

Early each year, California refineries also transition from making winter blend gasoline to a cleaner-burning, pricier summer blend. The facilities also temporarily scale back production during planned maintenance.

Taxes, among the highest in the country, also lift the price of the fuel. As of Jan. 1, California retail gasoline taxes accounted for 63.8 cents per gallon, 15 cents higher than the nationwide average. Toward the end of last year, when a gallon of regular gasoline cost an average of $2.68, fees and taxes accounted for nearly a quarter of the cost, according to the California Energy Commission. Nearly half of the total cost was attributed to the cost of crude oil, 16.5% covered dealer and distributor costs, and 12% went to refiners.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gas-prices-20150401-story.html

hack89

(39,171 posts)
23. California has created a unique and isolated market for gas with their environmental laws
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jan 2016

which leaves them dependent on a handful of refineries that blend California legal gas. Then on top of that you have the highest state and local taxes/fees and you end up with high prices.


That's partly because California is considered an island in the industry, cut off from other oil-producing regions by its stringent environmental rules and a dearth of interstate pipelines. To improve air quality, the state limits the type of gasoline to a specially formulated blend commonly known as CARBOB. The blend, too expensive for most outside producers to make and deliver, is largely created within the state.

Before California adopted its special gasoline blend, refinery-level wholesale prices in the state averaged an inflation-adjusted 6 cents above the national average. From 1996 to 2014, they averaged 16 cents higher, according to Severin Borenstein, an economics professor specializing in energy markets and regulation at UC Berkeley's Haas School of Business.

Early each year, California refineries also transition from making winter blend gasoline to a cleaner-burning, pricier summer blend. The facilities also temporarily scale back production during planned maintenance.

Taxes, among the highest in the country, also lift the price of the fuel. As of Jan. 1, California retail gasoline taxes accounted for 63.8 cents per gallon, 15 cents higher than the nationwide average. Toward the end of last year, when a gallon of regular gasoline cost an average of $2.68, fees and taxes accounted for nearly a quarter of the cost, according to the California Energy Commission. Nearly half of the total cost was attributed to the cost of crude oil, 16.5% covered dealer and distributor costs, and 12% went to refiners.


http://www.latimes.com/business/la-fi-gas-prices-20150401-story.html

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
7. That would be below $15 in 1990 dollars.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:47 PM
Jan 2016

So basically oil is as cheap now as it was during the 80s glut.

The Peak Oil Doomers sure have egg on their faces.

 

SoCalMusicLover

(3,194 posts)
8. Oil Futures?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:51 PM
Jan 2016

How low can it go? Is now the time to speculate on oil?

It has to go back up eventually, right?

Frank Cannon

(7,570 posts)
10. Once we get involved in three or four new wars next year, it will shoot back up.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:54 PM
Jan 2016

We'll be looking at paying $4-$5 a gallon, and the good times will roll again.

MosheFeingold

(3,051 posts)
11. Yes
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jan 2016

And it will go up sharply, probably mid-year. It's below the cost of incremental production.

But I would expect it to stay around $50-60.

rpannier

(24,328 posts)
9. That's because Pres Bush called up the Arabs and said, "Open those spigots."
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:53 PM
Jan 2016

At least that will be the spin at faux news

on edit:
either that or "Does the lower price in oil prove Obama hates Louisiana and Texas?"

12. The barrel costs more than the oil inside it
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jan 2016

55 gallon empty steel oil barrel = $89



55 gallons of crude oil < $28

(Gas here in Southern California is still $2.68/gal.)

Gregorian

(23,867 posts)
13. They own the barrel making factory. So it's pennies. But this is a perfect storm brewing.
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:14 PM
Jan 2016

I saw a negative price on oil the other day. First ever.

Tab

(11,093 posts)
14. So, does that make fracking too expensive?
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:23 PM
Jan 2016

Because the original argument was that it couldn't sufficiently generate value until oil from traditional methods was over some point ($50/bbl?).

 

Plucketeer

(12,882 posts)
16. Yes
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 08:30 PM
Jan 2016

And as a consequence, US fracking sites are shutting down like crazy. The unbelievable oil boom that was going on in the Dakotas is gonna crash like a wingless airplane. And of course, reverberate thru those state's economies!

Response to Tab (Reply #14)

newblewtoo

(667 posts)
19. Deja vu all over again
Mon Jan 18, 2016, 10:22 PM
Jan 2016

How about a fable? Once a long time ago oil got very expensive and alternative sources of energy became popular. Heck, the president even put a solar collector on the White House. People drove less, car pooled, and, reduced speed limits. Then one day people became accustomed to higher prices and interest in solar and wind waned. Solar companies went out of business and wind projects were shelved. The SUV ruled the land. Speed limits went back up.

We are about to relive those years. If you think the only thing to fail will be fracking you might want to think again. Solar and wind will be next to fall as cheap oil flows once again. Yup, party like it is 1984. Cheap oil will kill wind and solar. Bank on it as they say, bank on it.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
21. 30k + cars & cheap interest rates on 8 year car loans will be the next crash we can 'bank on'
Tue Jan 19, 2016, 08:09 AM
Jan 2016

on the positive side repo corps/banks will be flooded with good used cars.

IMO, the next stage of crude oil will be "in si·tu" refining to gasoline to meet more local demand.

 

jamzrockz

(1,333 posts)
27. I am really enjoying thisa low gas price
Wed Jan 20, 2016, 10:40 AM
Jan 2016

Last night I prepaid for $20 worth of gas and my gas was filled at about $18. Normally, I would go back in to collect the $1 and change left but this time I did not and it had nothing to do with the blistering cold, I just felt like they needed a break.

Anyway, I just don't want to enjoy the cheap gas price, I would like to know if there is a way to make money off it. Maybe something to do with oil futures and buy a lot now and selling when prices eventually rise. Anyway, have information on how one can go about doing this?

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