Planned Parenthood pushes back against Sanders for 'establishment' comment

[riversedge]

Source: Politico





Planned Parenthood pushes back against Sanders for 'establishment' comment

By Eliza Collins

01/20/16 03:24 PM EST

Updated 01/20/16 04:40 PM EST


Planned Parenthood and other progressive groups are calling out Bernie Sanders for referring to them as "part of the establishment," saying the Vermont senator needs to show a more explicit commitment to women's reproductive health.

"It's a little ridiculous to call an organization Congress and Republican presidential candidates have spent six months attacking ‘establishment’ — especially when Planned Parenthood health centers are out there every day ensuring millions of often marginalized Americans have access to basic reproductive health care,” Dawn Laguens, executive vice president of Planned Parenthood Action Fund told POLITICO in an email.

Laguens said she was “disappointed” in Sanders’ comments.

“It's regrettable and surprising to hear Sen. Sanders describe the very groups that fight on behalf of millions of often marginalized Americans — people who still have to fight for their most basic rights — as representing the ‘establishment,’” Laguens said.

On Tuesday night, MSNBC host Rachel Maddow asked Sanders why Hillary Clinton was getting so many high-profile progressive endorsements when Sanders’ stance on issues like gay rights and reproductive choice “are very consistent, they should be very attractive to progressive groups.”....................



Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/planned-parenthood-bernie-sanders-218026#ixzz3xpTBnBN9

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Sanders is way off the wall with this comment.



#ImSoEstablishment I believe #PlannedParenthood should be applauded for providing women's healthcare #Hillary2016



Planned Parenthood pushes back against Sanders for 'establishment' comment
http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/planned-parenthood-bernie-sanders-218026#ixzz3xpTBnBN9 #StandwithPP #ImWithHer #p2

[Tarheel_Dem]

1. We're all "establishment" now, doncha know? n/t

[wendylaroux]

2. still don't understand why PP does not want health care for all.

I mean PP purpose is to give women healthcare?.

You would think they'd be jumping up and down,so happy that

the very women they want to help,will be getting even MORE help from single payer?

Bernie wants to see this happen for us.

PP does not want more women to be cared for?

[geek tragedy]

3. Single payer is not getting enacted in the next 10 years, no matter who is president nt

[debunction.junction]

6. I love the power of positive thinking.

This way of thinking is everything that is wrong with America.

[geek tragedy]

13. no, understanding math is a very good thing nt

[debunction.junction]

17. Is this some of that fuzzy math that George HW was talking about?

I will just say this, it is disappointing that as a Bernie supporter you find it necessary to try to down play "hope and change." Of course time will tell, a lot can happen in ten years. Have a good evening.

[OilemFirchen]

20. Math is "establishment".

It's true. I looked it up in the anti-establishment dictionary.

[cui bono]

9. It'll NEVER be enacted by Hillary. She is actively opposing it. Actively lying about it.

So let's not pretend it's an issue we shouldn't worry about this election.

.

[wendylaroux]

19. Probably not,but you have to start the process sometime,

Bernie will do that.

[TM99]

31. We were all told right here at DU by

the pragmatic and sensible woodchucks that the ACA was the start of the process.

Suckers! Fooled again, it seems. For Clinton et al, the ACA is the end. Of course, I am not surprised, as she has been pushing an insurance mandated health plan since the 1990's.

[geek tragedy]

38. it will have to come at the state level, in my opinion.

one state will have to show that it can make such a system work, that people will be willing to pay higher taxes for lower premiums and deductibles, and to lose their employer-sponsored private health insurance and have it replaced by a new government program.

Vermont gave it a go, and whiffed

[wendylaroux]

51. I believe it will be expanded medicare?

if I understand right.We already pay into this,and with higher taxes,everyone would be covered.



"Under Bernie's healthcare plan, an estimated 27% of households will pay $0 in healthcare premiums,
68% pay less than $100/month, and 91% pay less than $250/month.
Plus, if you get sick or injured, NO copayment at the doctor, NO deductibles for treatments. "--reddit

[debunction.junction]

8. Isn't it obvious?

With single payer health care there would not be a need for planned parenthood and their support would dry up.

[geek tragedy]

16. welcome to DU.

[debunction.junction]

22. I love you geek :)

[wendylaroux]

21. hmmm... I would think PP would

still be needed. Millions of people will still need help.

[1StrongBlackMan]

57. True ... I don't understand that argument. Eom.

[passiveporcupine]

24. True, they are not going to like single payer

and then in the same article:

The idea to increase access to health care was good, but there was something noticeably missing for those at Planned Parenthood: any mention of women’s reproductive rights, Schifeling told POLITICO.

Reproductive rights was not mentioned. Weight problems and diabetes was not mentioned. High blood pressure and vascular issues were not mentioned. Hell...nothing specific was mentioned, but lets attack Bernie for leaving out reproductive rights.

Jesus on a cracker...what is wrong with you people?

[Kalidurga]

28. Single payer is not going to close down PP clinics at least it wouldn't if they would think about it

First off many are in very convenient locations, so they might still be the go to choice for women. Second if they don't diversify their services they might still attract people who would rather not go to a regular clinic or doctor for birth control and other services, some people are weird about that. Third if it turns out that people are perfectly fine going to a general practitioner instead of PP, well there is always diversifying their services because as I said they are usually in very convenient locations and some people might like the idea of not having to go far to see a doctor.

[debunction.junction]

53. I have not advocated PP shutting down, and never will.

I was simply pointing out that their endorsement for Hillary was based on their own personal agenda. If single payer becomes the law, the need for PP will be diminished. I have no idea what effect single payer would have on women's reproductive rights. Hope someone asked Bernie.

[passiveporcupine]

58. Well, remember that the supreme court sided with Hobby Lobby

that they did not need to pay for insurance that provided abortion or even contraception because it went against their religious beliefs.

So single payer will have to fight this battle. And we need to get more liberals on the supreme court to prevent things like this from happening again.

[gwheezie]

61. Yes 1000 times

What are single layer supporters willing to give up to get it to pass?

[passiveporcupine]

62. Who says we have to give up anything to get it to pass?

If the grassroots movement stays strong, we can win without losing.

[gwheezie]

67. You have a point then

Maybe a president Sanders should wait to get single payer done until there are enough progressives in Congress and on the court. I'd be OK with that.

[debunction.junction]

64. Get your point, and it's a good one. #1 priority is changing makeup of Supreme Court.

But isn't that one of the benefits of single payer? Employers will no longer be providing insurance to their employees, so that specific argument would be moot. The argument would then be about their tax dollars. May people would prefer their tax dollars did not go to fund the military industrial complex. Good luck with that.

[passiveporcupine]

69. Because employers are supposed to pay 6.6% of the single payer tax

They will try to use religion as an excuse not to pay if there is anything in the plan that they don't like. Like contraception or abortion. So we need to keep on fighting for reproductive rights. But we already knew that with the Hobby Lobby decision.

[gwheezie]

73. The Hyde amendment

So the fed government is forbidden to use any fed funds to.pay for abortion and if insurance through employers is abolished, where does the insurance come from?

[gwheezie]

60. Single payer and pp

Single payer does not provide care. pp provides care. There are several points about single payer and pp. PP has been under attack for years. Before I support single payer I want a statement that no supporter of single payer would be willing to throw reproductive rights under the bus to get single payer passed. We already gave in on not requiring employers to provide insurance covering birth control. We already caved on the Hyde amendment. States have chipped away at women's healthcare rights. I see a war on women. I stand with women. I don't care who the candidate is, I am from the griswald era, the roe era. We have already given up to much.
I can understand the history of pp and the fight for reproductive rights and the reluctance to back single payer without an iron clad commitment to making single payer include birth control and abortion.

[passiveporcupine]

63. You said

Before I support single payer I want a statement that no supporter of single payer would be willing to throw reproductive rights under the bus to get single payer passed.

What makes you think anyone supporting single payer will throw reproductive rights under the bus? This is progressives you are talking about. We are pro-choice. That is crazy talk. That is red baiting like Hillary would use. Scare tactics to keep people from even engaging in real progress.

[gwheezie]

66. It's not about progressives

I don't trust Congress. Single payer is not going to pass without a few rewrites and tweaks even with dem majorities in both chambers. What was given up to get obamacare done? And there will be challanges to get it in front of the ussc by the right-wing. Unless you think there will be a sudden influx of progressives, there are going to be opponents to single payer that will use women's healthcare as a wedge. Look what Obama had to do after the catholic church and hobby lobby went after women.
And this isn't a red herring. Women cannot be sacrificed in another healthcare bill.

[passiveporcupine]

71. They were sacrificed under ACA, but only temporarily

If it happens again under single payer, it will still only affect those women who work for those companies that won...and that is a limited win. In time we would beat them, as the supreme court changes back to liberal agendas. It will happen. And nobody will willing give up reproductive rights to get SP to pass. If it happens it will happen after the fact, like ACA...then we just have another battle on our hands.

But...Big but here. One of Bernie's agendas is changing the stranglehold that congress has now and the supreme court. He wants us as grassroots to push to get more liberal people in congress and on the court. It's our job! We've let republicans have control of this country (by not voting) for far too long. We need to GOTV!

[debunction.junction]

70. Agree 100%

But your posts are bugging me

[MH1]

14. Not that they don't want it, but concern with Sanders' plan is in the Politico article:

(from article linked in OP; emphasis added)

The idea to increase access to health care was good, but there was something noticeably missing for those at Planned Parenthood: any mention of women’s reproductive rights, Schifeling told POLITICO.
"The problem is that by omitting reproductive health and rights, you run the risk of significantly rolling back the progress we've made over the past seven years," Schifeling said. "If you expand Medicare without repealing the Hyde Amendment, millions of women will lose insurance coverage for abortion. And as we've seen with the Affordable Care Act, unless the administration explicitly specifies that birth control must be covered, women may not have access to a full range of birth control and preventive services."


Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/01/planned-parenthood-bernie-sanders-218026#ixzz3xpgoDV00

[riversedge]

54. PP is realistic

[debunction.junction]

4. Good luck with that!

[Android3.14]

5. Truth hurts

Dogs, fleas, are you really surprised?

[earthside]

7. You can't get any more establishment than Planned Parenthood.

It gets millions and million of tax dollars from the federal government.

We celebrate the establishment of reproductive rights in several court cases and pieces of legislation stretching back into the 1960s.

The board of directors of the PP Action Fund -- who are political insiders, fundraisers, lobbyists, etc. -- endorsed Clinton.
If the shoe fits, wear it.

It's almost kind of weird that Planned Parenthood now all of a sudden finds 'establishment' a dirty word.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

10. Have you been asleep for the last six months???

The "establishment" has been getting plundered.

[earthside]

11. Not sure what that means.

But ... Planned Parenthood was fully funded in the just passed federal budget agreement.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

12. So you've completely missed the attempts to defund it?

Boy, someone really is a one trick pony.

[earthside]

18. Not sure what that means either ...

"One trick pony"?

Maybe you ought to spend some time on your writing clarity skills.

Fact remains, that PP is so well established that even the Tea Party Repuglicans in the Congress gave in and fully funded that organization.

Like I said, you can't get any more establishment than Planned Parenthood.

[geek tragedy]

41. so well-established that they would have been defunded if a Republican were in the white house nt

[Beacool]

59. Unbelievable.

They pretend that there wasn't a fight in Congress just a handful of months ago to defund PP. Are they so blind that they don't see anything beyond Sanders' nose??????

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

72. I guess they just aren't worried

When Bernie wins ever primary, and every state in the general election and all 435 seats flip to us we'll never have to worry again.

[redstateblues]

35. 24 years in Washington is establishment

[mainer]

15. For years I have donated to Planned Parenthood. Now I'm pissed at them.

They should have remained neutral until the primaries were over. Both Hillary and Bernie would be acceptable candidates. Why choose sides so early in the game?

I can't help feeling that Bernie has a point.

[passiveporcupine]

25. Because with single payer, you don't need planned parenthood.

Of course, I could be wrong. Planned Parenthood may just be one of the services that is rolled into single payer as a provider. But they aren't taking any chances. Not going to wait and see...lets just kill single payer now.

[gwheezie]

43. Why wouldn't single layer reimburse PP?

Hillary is correct about the Hyde amendment which I just thought I'd mention.
Single payer doesn't provide services to anyone, it pays for services. I don't know why people confuse the 2.

[passiveporcupine]

49. there is nothing to say they will or will not

Planned Parenthood is a provider, but they are funded by the government, not paid for with insurance. So I don't know if they will work with a single payer plan and just continue services, or not.

I see no reason at this point why they shouldn't be able to...but if that's true, then why are they afraid of single payer?

[gwheezie]

52. I'm thinking Hyde amendment

Although I'm thinking if we wind up with a Congress that will pass single payer then we should also try to rid it of the Hyde amendment.

[passiveporcupine]

55. good point! n/t

[dlwickham]

26. But you would've cheered

If they had endorsed Sanders

[TM99]

33. I would not have.

They have not once in 100 years endorsed in the primary...until now.

[ecstatic]

29. Who should they have endorsed?

I'm really curious to hear which candidate you claim to support.

[TM99]

34. No one.

That is what they did for 100 years. They waited until after the primary.

[Kalidurga]

30. Time to stop thinking with your vagina, ladies.

WTF is wrong with you?

[REP]

37. Our one, collective vagina?

Time to stop thinking with your vagina, ladies.

All of womankind shares a single vagina. More news you can use!

[geek tragedy]

40. there are so many puns to be used here, but I dare not nt

[REP]

42. Dare! Dare!

I'll show the Jury results and let you guess which one was me.

[geek tragedy]

45. Too late, you posted here so you can't be on the jury nt

[REP]

47. I was for the hidden post :-)

[emsimon33]

27. Guess the truth hurts. They are part of the establishment.

If Bernie gets universal health care, they may lose they power. Oh well... .

[redstateblues]

32. I'd call being a politician in Washington for 24 years

Establishment.

[Dawson Leery]

36. PP will be getting my money.

Not one cent to Sanders at all.

[passiveporcupine]

50. Sanders is not worried

He doesn't need your money.

[comradebillyboy]

39. In this thread we see Bernie supporters trash

Planned Parenthood. PP provides much needed services in the real world right now. Throwing them under the bus for pie in the sky bye and bye is pretty short sighted. Also Bernie is not proposing to get rid of the Hyde amendment which would prevent his taxpayer funded plan from providing any abortion services at all.

[Omaha Steve]

44. I'm disappointed in Laguens misleading the public

Bernie has a stellar record on choice. PP's political committee should have waited until after there was a clear winner in the D column as past practice.

OS

[glinda]

46. My my. What a broad brush has been used to describe Bernie's statement. Or "part of" statement.

[Agnosticsherbet]

48. The more I learn about Sanders,

the less acceptable he is as a candidate.

But third place is the lowest we can go in this years crop of candidates.

[Beacool]

56. Sanders could have taken the high road, but instead chose to criticize their decision.

A classy response about being disappointed but respecting their decision would have sufficed, but that's not the revolutionary way.

Dogmatic, unbending, we are on the right and there's no room for other opinions, is more his campaign's way.

[malokvale77]

65. Is this really breaking news?

Shouldn't this be in GD-P?

Never mind.

[tarheelsunc]

68. Notice...

no one's really responding to the contents of PP's message, they just attack Planned Parenthood.

Planned Parenthood is being attacked. On a site full of DEMOCRATS. WTF is going on here, really?

[Bernin]

75. The D party splitting!

It's been talked about here before.
That Hillary, will split the party.

These are the opening salvos.

[tarheelsunc]

76. LOL.

Sure, Hillary is the one who's doing the splitting. Not the guy who's spent his political career bashing Democrats and only became a Democrat when it was politically expedient for him to do so...

[kacekwl]

74. Pick pick , I'm soooo tired of this nonsense.

We know where Bernie stands , we know where Hillary stands. Come on there are much more important things to focus on.