Bundy Gives Demands For Continued FBI Negotiations #BundyTeaParty

[L. Coyote]

Source: John Sepulvado OPB | Jan. 22, 2016

The leader of militants at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge gave two demands to FBI officials ... Bundy made it clear he will not talk about or negotiate a resolution to the three-week occupation of the refuge until his demands are met.

First, he required someone from the FBI meet him face-to-face for the discussions. A brief negotiation took place over the phone Thursday between Bundy and an FBI negotiator.

Second, Bundy wanted to know if Harney County Sheriff David Ward gave authorization for the FBI to operate in the county.

“If you’re not acting under the authority of the sheriff, then that’s another constitutional violation,” Bundy said ....

Read more: http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/bundy-demands-fbi-negotiations/

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[center]Sounds like they are stalling until the November election to me.

The Oregonian Verified account ‏@Oregonian 2 hours ago
#OregonStandoff negotiations stumble as occupation leader questions FBI authority http://bit.ly/1RDZCDS


The Bulletin ‏@thebulletin 3 hours ago
Bundy leaves meeting with FBI because media not allowed in: http://j.mp/1ZSBpyH
#BurnsOR #Oregonstandoff


KATU News Verified account ‏@KATUNews 4 hours ago
Ammon Bundy refuses private FBI talk #LiveOnK2 #OregonStandoff http://k2ne.ws/1nEfLgn

#RefugeRally chant went from "birds not bullies" to "throw the bums in jail" #Oregonstandoff 43 pics

[msongs]

1. the "feds" are weak as water, weak as water from the top down nt

[63splitwindow]

8. hmmmmmm...

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[Delver Rootnose]

10. Yea and it looks like.....

..they are taking just about as long to do anything.

[Lizzie Poppet]

27. DUzy!! (nm)

[emulatorloo]

9. Well they are dealing with a kook who has a martyr complex. He wants another Waco.

This dude has promised to shoot at anybody who tries to arrest him.

Wants to do suicide by cop so badly so he can be a hero to the militia nuts.

I read a report of the FBI phone call on the Oregonian newspaper website. Sounds like FBI is gonna do a little mindfuck on this guy and go from there.

[KittyWampus]

11. Would you be willing to elaborate on your impressions of the report?

I haven't followed things as closely as you and am sincerely interested in your opinion, if you are willing.

Have a great weekend!

[emulatorloo]

13. FBI and Sherrif Ward are playing with him. Big assault on his ego.

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As context, Bundy showed up thinking he was going to have a face to face. But negotiator wasn't there and would only talk to him by phone. Only identified himself as 'Chris'.

To me that sounds like FBI cut down Bundy to size and 'disrespected' him. In a way Bundy would not like

Then see how Bundy's typical calm demeanor is falling apart from the first story to the next. Sherriff also refuses to meet the great Ammon Bundy face to face.

Bundy seemed to think Sherriff was gonna protect him from the evil Feds. Asks Lt. to see it in writing, and Lt. basically tells him to fuck off. So yet another one of his delusions of greatness knocked down and it made him angry.

FBI and Sherriff Ward are playing with him.


January 21st:

FBI and Oregon standoff leaders begin negotiations to end refuge occupation
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/fbi_and_oregon_standoff_leader.html

BURNS – Ammon Bundy, standing in a biting, freezing wind Thursday at the police blockade to the local airport, borrowed a cellphone from an FBI agent.

On the other end was an FBI negotiator who identified himself to Bundy only as "Chris."

<snip>

But Bundy had questions of his own. He asked by what right was the FBI involved in the refuge occupation.

"Are you here under authority of the sheriff?" Bundy asked.

When the negotiator said the sheriff had asked for federal help, Bundy responded, "You do not have the people's authority to be here."

In measured tones, the negotiator told him, "The sheriff has asked for our assistance."

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Jan 22, 2016

Oregon standoff negotiations stumble as occupation leader questions FBI
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/oregon_standoff_negotiations_s.html#incart_big-photo

The hang-up appears to be Bundy's belief that FBI agents have no standing to deal with the refuge takeover unless they're deputized by Harney County Sheriff Dave Ward.

Militiamen and self-styled patriots contend that under the U.S. Constitution, the sheriff is the highest law enforcement power in the county. The word "sheriff," however, doesn't appear in the Constitution.

That didn't stop Bundy from arriving at the Harney County Courthouse to talk to Ward. Instead, he was left to talk at a security checkpoint with Ward's No. 2, Lt. Brian Needham, who was accompanied by Malheur County Sheriff Brian Wolfe.

Bundy, speaking with an intensity unusual given his typical mild demeanor, insisted on knowing if the FBI had gotten permission to operate in the county. He kept pressing when the sheriff's lieutenant said local and federal authorities were working together.

When Needham said the FBI did have the sheriff's authority, Bundy demanded to see it in writing. He was told no.

A taut-faced Bundy walked away from the encounter and uncharacteristically snapped at a reporter's question: "Don't put words in my mouth."

[L. Coyote]

22. FBI called refuge. Bundy wants to be filmed---his reality show, drives to FBI gate unannounced w/

camera crew expecting what, Obama would shake his hand?

He wants to make a movie about himself, not talk to the FBI on the phone. He won't negotiate unless they agree to be in his movie! Wow, he really lives in his own reality.

[wordpix]

34. Out of reality, thinking a local sheriff has authority over fbi

the guy is a nutcase and so much for knowledge of the constitution they're always screaming about "protecting."

[trillion]

62. Yep, and a not very bright nut case. The not very bright part could get people hurt with him

leading them. Remember, he said he's prepared to die if they try to remove him and he bragged about training people to snipe federal agents during the ranch standoff.

[geek tragedy]

12. Then shoot him. nt

[Algernon Moncrieff]

37. I think Bundy is smart enough to know if he shoots first, he won't shoot last

That said, this isn't Waco, and the feds are going to do everything possible to see that it doesn't become a shootout. So far, notwithstanding the fact that they are all armed, the occupation has been peaceful.

Look for some kind of stunt around 4/15 if this thing goes on that long. Tax day was when Bundy Sr. started his nonsense. It's a big day on the Wingnut calendar.

[L. Coyote]

65. The BundyTeaParty has NOT been peaceful! Remember what Lincoln said?

This one:

"The marching of an army into the midst of a peaceful Mexican settlement, frightening the inhabitants away, leaving their growing crops and their property to destruction, to you may appear a perfectly amiable, peaceful, unprovoking procedure; but it does not appear so to us. So to call such an act, to us appears no other than a naked, impudent absurdity...the war was unnecessarily and unconstitutionally commenced by the President."
A. Lincoln, July 27, 1848.

"...refusing to accept a cessation of territory, would be to abandon all our just demands, and to wage the war, bearing all the expense, without a purpose or definite object."
President Polk.

Not this one:

"Any people anywhere, being inclined and having the power, have the right to rise up, and shake off the existing government, and form a new one that suits them better. This is a most valuable--a most sacred right--a right, which we hope and believe, is to liberate the world,"
Abraham Lincoln, speech in the U.S. House of Representatives, subject: The War on Mexico. Delivered January 12, 1848.

We don't have the right to covet our neighbor's land and "liberate the world" that way!

Armed occupation is NOT peaceful!

[Kennah]

81. Taser him while snacking up. Problem solved. n/t

[PatrynXX]

18. not playing Die Hard are we

FBI wasn't smart there either. I thought they'd have cut the power. Is there a constitutional law they haven't broken yet. (the terrorists)

[MurrayDelph]

45. No. Logistics.

The small country they invaded doesn't have a typical grid (usage is self-reported, and only verified once a year). The only ways to cut their power is either to cut the whole county, or send a truck out to the site, where the tech would be a target.

[L. Coyote]

66. Harney, the "small county" is larger than three smallest states combined.

Harney County is nearly the size of Mass., larger than six other states. About 30 countries are smaller.

We are talking about over 10% of the state of Oregon![center]

Wheaterville ‏@Wheaterville
http://westernpriorities.org/category/blog/
excellent blog and a ticker that shows exactly how much #bundymilitia is costing Real Americans.

TICKER: Bundy militants costing the people of Oregon at least $5,558 per hour, they've racked up a tab of more than $2,967,756 and counting.

Brooks Seymore ‏@WatercoolerHobo
Home of the Brave: Absolutely, God Told Us To Do This — Interview with #bundymilitia insiders.
https://overcast.fm/+EUWB-yER0

Meanwhile, at #Bundyland, also known as #NewRedneckistan or the #SageBrushAsylum

[MurrayDelph]

74. We're talking "small"

as in population.

Harney County has approximately 7500 people. Compare this to the city of Astoria.
Astoria (pop 9,500) is the county seat of Clatsop County (pop 37,000), and is still considered a "small town"

[yurbud]

67. when it comes to dealing with right wing terrorists. If these had been black, Native American, or

even environmentalists, they would already be in body bags.

[LanternWaste]

83. Because shows of strength are cool... regardless.

Because shows of strength are cool... regardless.

[murielm99]

2. HE'S making demands?

WTF?

[L. Coyote]

15. Political street theater with gunslingers, half Django, half Reality T-V.

John Cunningham ‏@papazubs 1 hour ago
How long until they eat poor Hellboy the horse after resupply lines are blocked? #Oregonstandoff #hellboythehorse

[PatrynXX]

19. Terrorist 101 make demands n/t

[kairos12]

3. Demands from the welfare cowboy. Sheesh.

[saltpoint]

4. It would cost a lot to make animatronic

demon sheep and set them to graze and wander about the premises.

Four or five thousand animatronic demon sheep making sheep noises all day and all night ought to put the right tone to events.

[moondust]

5. Is this not a hostage situation?

The hostages being public lands and facilities?

[OldRedneck]

6. Screw Bundy and the horse he rode in on

Give these assholes a choice -- 24 hours -- leave in handcuffs, or, leave in body bags.

There are armed, wackadoodle terrorists all over this country and by letting these people remain loose, we are encouraging more of this lawless activity.

[StandingInLeftField]

7. If the terrorists walk out of this without an arrest...

it will be a victory for them and their cause. If they play the martyr card, a la Waco, it will be a victory for them and their cause. If they are arrested and prosecuted, it will be a victory for them and their cause. It's impossible to now imagine a scenario that is not a victory for them and their cause. The only way this could have turned out otherwise is if they had been arrested within 48 hours of their terrorist attack.

Of course, it will be a Pyrric victory, as only sympathizers will claim it. However it will embolden others.

[Politicub]

14. Does he ever change his clothes?

Imagine the stench in the office building

They'll need to fumigate the place.

[lastlib]

16. Can't we burn 'em out??!?

I'm tired of these assholes! They are the criminals! They DON'T GET to make DEMANDS!!! . .

Fry their asses!! NOW!!

[Lizzie Poppet]

26. Not the best method: mostly stone buildings at that facility.

If those delusional cretins actually need to be removed by force, it's going to take a serious assault, probably with more than small arms, given the effective cover and wide-open country around the facility (impossible to approach without coming into rifle range, way farther out than you can get a gas/flashbang grenade in there). That means an attack with air-to-surface munitions from a helicopter, or main gun rounds from tanks, or something along those lines.

While I no longer give a solitary fuck if these dicks get killed, the loss of that beautiful old facility would be painful. Plus: whatever soulless modern institutional architecture replaced it would have to be built really quickly. There's a lot of work on the refuge to prepare for the Spring migrations.

Of course, if Gov. Brown decided to ignore the feds' continued pleas for patience, the sight of National Guard units advancing behind armored vehicles would almost certainly have the teahadists in a pants-shitting scramble to surrender.

[NBachers]

38. It doesn't have to be an assault. They can do it by attrition.

1. Grab the ones who leave, and haul 'em away.

2. Stop food from getting in.

3. Shut off utilities.

4. Wait 'em out.

Do it now, while it's still cold winter.

[Lizzie Poppet]

39. Agreed. Should have started that from the get-go.

There was every indication that they were hilariously unprepared in terms of food when this began, but I don't know how much they may have been allowed to bring in since (which is a staggeringly idiotic thing to ave allowed to happen). Apparently cutting off the electrical power is complicated (the local utilities people released a statement a while back), but surely there's been enough time at this point.

I've supported this approach from the start, both to avoid anyone having to die over this foolishness and because that lovely old facility is needed for maintaining the refuge (and having it ruined so close to Spring migration would be a real problem). But I've become so frustrated with how the feds have handled this...

[Jnclr89]

17. My demands are:

Bundy lay down your weapons. Or A10 warthogs.... and i cant stop those.

[blackspade]

20. Y'all Qeada turning Oregon into a turd world country.

With a little help from the Feds.

[Lizzie Poppet]

25. Well...a tiny little corner...and 99% of the locals are massively pissed off.

The FBI may well at this point be protecting the teahadists from the locals, not vice-versa. I know that part of my state pretty well, and I'd estimate household gun ownership out there is around 90%. I'm pleased that the folks out there haven't taken the law into their own hands, but given the feds' complete failure to do their duty, that's not going to last forever.

[L. Coyote]

32. Perhaps they know we have really nice jails, not so hot like where they live.

If your going to try overthrowing the government, do it where the jails are comfortable because you'll be there for a while.

I think they not only cherry picked this county, they expected the county would follow the Lord's bidding when the prophet spoke and commanded the militia uprising that finally ended Obamacare and gave all the land to the people with the most guns.

[MatthewStLouis]

21. Maybe they should try hourly drone sorties, dropping firecrackers.

See if they start shooting...

I still like the water drop idea. I doubt they packed extra "ice melt." It might be fun to watch them slip slidin' away.

And why are they allowed "Bear Arms"? Don't the bears need them? He he.

[L. Coyote]

23. Where do they find those "bear arms" and why are they free?

It is so much more fun being on the side that learned to spell!

[Lizzie Poppet]

40. Um...

"Bear arms" is correct.

[L. Coyote]

41. Yes, the word is spelled bear.

The correct term is "the right to keep and bear arms" when speaking of the Bill of Rights, the nuances of which seem incomprehensible to them.

Amendment II
A well regulated Militia, being necessary to the security of a free State, the right of the people to keep and bear Arms, shall not be infringed.

There is no case law about being "free to bear arms" whatever that means to them. Apparently, it means murders get to carry guns too now in the up-is-down, Alice in Wonderland speak we hear from #BundyLand.

[center]

[Lizzie Poppet]

44. Of course. But that has nothing to do with spelling.

Which is what you criticized...

[underpants]

24. Sovereign Citizens consider the local Sheriff as the only authority

I read about this exchange earlier. From what I understand they consider the Feds only purpose to be national defense. The States role is to protect citizens from the Feds. The local government's role is to protect citizens from the State and the Sheriff is THE Executive branch.

This fits right into their whacky ideas.

[jmowreader]

30. Until the local sheriff comes to arrest them, of course

Many sovereign citizens believe the federal and state governments are prima facie illegitimate. It is the job of independent militias to defend the nation, and the sheriff is the highest government official of them all.

Next question: What happens when the citizens of Harney County convene their own Citizens Grand Jury to try the Bundy Bunch?There are so many guns in the Northwest and there's so much anger against the Bundy Bunch, a posse could easily be assembled to peaceably capture these jokers while they're on supply runs.

[underpants]

33. I gave them too much credit for being in touch with reality.

Thanks

[7962]

28. Ugh I'm so tired of these idiots!! they embarrass the rest of us that breath. nt

[Gothmog]

29. This man in a nut case

[turbinetree]

31. I just gotta ask.................................

did this "right wing hypocritical zealot" vote in the last election, because if he did, then this supposed constitutional nitwit has no god damn clue as to what he is doing---------------------none, he says one thing and then says another.

Why are there that many microphones there--------------------- I mean really---------------let's see what this nitwit is going to say next------------------arrest him---------------and the horse that he road in on.

Did he and his band of right wingers by chance read Article I Section 8 paragraphs 4, 15, 16,17,and here are the important one's 18 and 19, because apparently they did not get that far in the reading lessons


"First, he required someone from the FBI meet him face-to-face for the discussions. A brief negotiation took place over the phone Thursday between Bundy and an FBI negotiator.

Second, Bundy wanted to know if Harney County Sheriff David Ward gave authorization for the FBI to operate in the county.

“If you’re not acting under the authority of the sheriff, then that’s another constitutional violation,” Bundy said ...."


The sheriff there is elected------dumb s**************t, ----------------and the Constitution under the above Article says that the FBI and the sheriff can operate and enforce that Article because the citizens said its ok--------------------they, the citizens of the state.

They did not give you permission to do what you are doing, the citizens of the state did not give you some authority to circumvent that Article, because if they did it would be TREASON----------------

[wordpix]

35. Treason is a good word for it. Add that one to the many other charges

They've racked up

[L. Coyote]

42. Ammon Bundy is a registered Republican from sheriff Joe Arapio's county in AZ.

And he worked together with Oregon Republican Party officials to organize the Committee of Safety in Harney County.

I'm thinking their intention is to drag this out until the Fall election, and Oregon Republicans are helping that cause.

[StandingInLeftField]

46. This is totally unbelievable!

I just don't know what to say…

[turbinetree]

48. So he goes up....................................

to this Wildlife Refuge and does his father gambit and is doing and being a dead beat.

Does he have writ in his shirt sleeve pocket or under his tin foil hat, saying that he has a right to do what he is doing.

And then these republican "patriots " of the county seat in Harney, do what, they violate the oath of there office or position and conspire, like those right wing hypocrites down in the Utah Legislature and the Nevada Legislature to conspire against the Constitution.

So in essence all of them were part of this conspiracy---------------------there are laws against these shenanigans, and I think its time to file a writ---------------enough is enough.

He and his band of "patriots" have in my opinion violated the Sedition's Act;

The Sedition Act was passed by Congress in 1798 which made it illegal to 'write, print, utter or publish…any false, scandalous and malicious writing' against the Federal government including the Congress and the President. Individuals could be tried under this law if they had the intent to either 'defame' the government or 'excite' hatred amongst the people against the government. If convicted, the guilty could receive a fine up to $2,000 and/or up to 2 years in prison.

[L. Coyote]

56. First, Hammond called Cliven Bundy because they are both welfare ranchers defying BLM authority.

Probably his first question to Cliven was, "How the hell are you not in prison?"

[turbinetree]

60. I agree.................................

there are laws on the books for conspiracy---------------they just don't think it applies to them---------------------they are still dead beats and moochers

[emulatorloo]

47. I checked him out on Open Secrets. Donated $ to Ron Paul.

[turbinetree]

50. That explains some of his tin foil hat shenanigans ........................

Paul is a hypocrite also---------------what else can be said

[safeinOhio]

36. Have Trump build a wall around them and

then make them pay for it.

[L. Coyote]

43. In October they will be saying, "Trump would have ended this in one day!"

Mark my words! Albeit, ironically having a Trump Campaign official join the militia didn't end it![center]

[abelenkpe]

51. This display make me ashamed to be an american

why are these criminals given so much press? Why haven't they been arrested? It's sickening.

[47of74]

52. This is bullshit

The Federal Government should be saying to them that they have one hour and forty-five minutes to surrender unconditionally or any and all force needed will be used to end this fuckstick situation.

[L. Coyote]

55. Wouldn't that be giving the terrorists exactly what they are demanding?

So far the FBI hasn't given him anything he has demanded. They are getting 50% snacks, 50% sex toys, and 100% of the attention.

What have they won so far? They are the bad fart in the room that won't go away. Yes, burning down the room gets rid of the odor, ....

[classof56]

53. I demand that Bundy and his crowd of Cretins get outa my state.

For all the freakin' good it does me.

[hollowdweller]

54. Here's what I don't understand.

I would think that they would do like the military does.

First they would cut their command and control. I'm sure the US gov't has some sort of equiptment to jam their internet and cell phone.

I think they have enough on them now thru their posting of photos to charge most of them. These guys crave attention so why not cut off the media and all their ability to post photos??

Once you cut off their ability to get attention they are going to get tired of it. Then cut off access to the place from both ends.

[Paladin]

57. It's too late now.

The shithead demonstrators have been allowed free reign on federal property for far too long without anything in the way of meaningful pushback. The kind of empowerment that is being handed over to the Sage Brush Rebellion movement by the feds makes me want to puke. Look for further armed occupations by these people, because they've now feel it's their right to do so. And enjoy your federal facilities and national parks in the western states while you still can---I can promise you, such places are in the crosshairs of these goons.

[47of74]

58. The teabagger sugar daddies would love nothing more than to strip mine all of them.

Or put them behind gated, private clubs for only those who can pay big bucks to enjoy them.

Makes me fucking sick.

[Paladin]

59. +1. (nt)

[L. Coyote]

61. Demands by Oregon standoff leaders defy logic and law, authorities say

http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/01/demands_by_oregon_refuge_occup.html
By Les Zaitz | The Oregonian/OregonLive January 23, 2016

BURNS – Occupiers of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge for three weeks have made sweeping demands that local and federal authorities say are both brazen and unrealistic.

They want immediate freedom for imprisoned local ranchers. They want federal deeds voided and private owners to take over the property. They want the county to control the refuge. They want federal grazing permits vacated, leaving ranchers free to graze as they choose. And they say they won't go until they get their way.

Interviews with lawyers, ranchers, federal authorities and others make clear: Little of what they want is likely to happen for reasons that include legal principle, basic property rights, economic forces and cost. Federal authorities also say the occupiers are making demands that fly in the face of the U.S. Constitution.

...............

[center]

. K. Cody ‏@The_book_girl
BRAVE BUNCH #Oregonstandoff // 1 rancher renounces federal grazing contract at Bundy event
http://news.yahoo.com/armed-group-plans-event-renounce-federal-land-policy-041231348.html

Because we say so! So, who pays for the expensive signage?


Yahoo, free stuff!

[The Second Stone]

63. Here are my demands for continued negotiation with Bundy:

Don't negotiate with trespassers, give them the opportunity to surrender. If they refuse, gas them with tear gas until they do surrender. Even if it takes days.

These assholes have automatic weapons and are disobeying the lawful orders to surrender. Any American child who is black would be shot dead for this kind of behavior. As a white person, I can't understand why the level of force does not escalate at least to tear gas and establishing a perimeter.

And its a good thing I'm not President. I'd order them to surrender or face first tear gas, and then tanks with live fire machine guns, then pardon all govt agents who participated.

What burns me most is that these fuckers are doing this with huge amounts of weapons. This is armed rebellion. I gotta love me some of how Alexander Hamilton put down the Whiskey Rebellion.

[trillion]

64. The FBI should refuse to negotiate with terrorists.

[wordpix]

69. ^^^^agree ^^^ and they ARE domestic terrorists

No doubt about it. Since they won't leave, I guess the feds will have to drag them out. Dangerous stuff.

Maybe agree to their demands and have Donald duck sign the agreement. Then arrest their asses

[L. Coyote]

71. They certainly are refusing them what they seem to want most, igniting a confrontation.

The FBI is certainly not going to cede a territory larger than the three smallest states!

Check out what the OPB reporters said on this question:

Addressing Questions And Rumors As Occupation Continues
by Amanda Peacher, John Sepulvado, and Bradley W. Parks OPB Jan. 23, 2016
http://www.opb.org/news/series/burns-oregon-standoff-bundy-militia-news-updates/questions-rumors-bundy-militia-armed-occupation-oregon-burns/

Thread here: http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1323732

[The Second Stone]

73. We now return you to the regularly scheduled fantasy of The Second Stone

starring Michelle Pfeiffer.

[Nevernose]

79. Cut the power, kill the communications

Give them until nightfall to surrender. An hour after the power is cut, begin flying Predator drones overhead every ten minutes.

Of course, shit like this is why I'm not fit to be a politician. (Ok, one of many reasons)

[L. Coyote]

68. #BundyMilitiaFatigue = Questions And Rumors As Occupation Continues = OPB reporters #TwitterPresser

[center]Guess what, we have finally arrived at the #BundyMilitiaFatigue moment (pun fully intended).
The "Nat'l media pretty much disappeared" and number of media going there daily slipping.
Great coverage by local media and everyone's tweets is live crowd sourcing most everything.
It certainly is useful to compile all that into a coherent story, and this one is great reporting:

Addressing Questions And Rumors As Occupation Continues
by Amanda Peacher, John Sepulvado, and Bradley W. Parks OPB Jan. 23, 2016

The armed occupation of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge has now lasted nearly a month. Since the situation began on Jan. 2, it has grown in complexity at a rapid pace, sending social media channels into a frenzy.

As questions fly and the rumor mill churns, OPB reporters Amanda Peacher and John Sepulvado took to Twitter to trim the fat from this story playing out in southeastern Oregon.

... We can't speculate about LE action and non-action. They say they can't comment on an active investigation. .... Law enforcement is mum, mum mum.

... warrants issued would escalate the sitch, which @FBI doesn't want ... LE has obviously chosen not to arrest them while in town. The FBI won't say why because of the "active investigation." ...

... people showed concern for the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge and its well-being .....

[center]

Jan 22, 2016
Over 400 people gathered to peacefully rally for Malheur and Public Lands on January 19 in Portland, Oregon.

[L. Coyote]

70. LIVE TICKER = ever-rising costs of the Bundy land seizure: $3,000,000 and climbing #OregonStandoff

LIVE TICKER: The ever-rising costs of the Bundy land seizure

Since then, the costs of Ammon Bundy’s actions have risen steadily—an estimated $133,000 every day—and that’s not including damage yet to be calculated from Bundy and his followers driving bulldozers to make new roads, handling Native American artifacts, destroying fences, using government computers, accessing private employee data, removing cameras, and vandalizing refuge vehicles.

[center]

WELC ‏@westernlaw Jan 21
The Santa Fe #publiclands #RefugeRally ... Lots of folks who support public lands! @NMWF


Humboldt Baykeeper ‏@HumBaykeeper Jan 20
Celebrating our public lands, which belong to all of us! #mypubliclands #refugerally #HumboldtBay

[L. Coyote]

75. @HarneyCountyGov = January 25 community meeting cancelled.

[center]
Harney County @HarneyCountyGov
January 25 community meeting cancelled.


Ryan Haas @ryanjhaas
Meeting cancellation reportedly follows Pete Santilli and others saying they'd block people from coming because it was 4 locals only

JTB ‏@HighDesert99 39 minutes ago
@HarneyCountyGov I cannot believe that we are now bowing down to these terrorists! We are being held hostage in our own community.

Missoula, mostly ‏@Lgpguin 30 minutes ago
“@HarneyCountyGov: Jan.25 community meeting cancelled. ” / Being held hostage in your own town/county=terrorism IMO

What you can do with a gun and copy of the Constitution
Ron Eachus 9:03 p.m. PST January 18, 2016

With a gun on your hip and a copy of the Constitution in your pocket, you can become a legal scholar and enforce your own interpretation of the Constitution. You can ignore the history of court decisions and language of laws and profess superior knowledge of what the Constitution says.

With a gun on your hip and a copy of the Constitution in your pocket, the fact the Supreme Court has twice determined the federal government has incontrovertible claim to Malheur National Wildlife Refuge lands is irrelevant.

You don’t need a Supreme Court to interpret the Constitution because you have a gun on your hip and a copy of the Constitution in your pocket.

When you have a gun on your hip, a rifle over your shoulder and a copy of the Constitution in your pocket, you can take over public lands in a remote area that has more cattle than people, even when the people you say you’re trying to assist don’t want you there.

The two ranchers you’re trying to free, peacefully reported for their sentence and repudiated you. ...............

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other95 ‏@other95
#OregonStandoff #BundyGoHome CNN Op: Don't mistake armed occupiers for folk heroes; they're violent extremists http://cnn.it/1PJUg8H

Claws & Laws ‏@ClawsAndLaws
Worth following @KieranSuckling Exec Dir @CenterForBioDiv on the ground at #Oregonstandoff for wildlife refuge


Paul D @Paulmd199
So, this Common Law Grand Jury is actually illegal in Oregon. h/t @JohnLGC #Oregonstandoff

Mary Bee ‏@MaryBee77
The #BundyMilitants and Congressional Criminals Are Trying to Steal From All of Us!
http://www.esquire.com/news-politics/politics/news/a41412/oregon-militia-federal-lands/ … #Oregonstandoff #FollowTheMoney

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76. #BundyBunch Convene Common Law Grand Jury Against Local Officials with Tea Party Judge

LISTEN: Armed Occupiers Convene Common Law Grand Jury Against Local Officials
by Kristian Foden-Vencil OPB | Jan. 24, 2016

Armed occupiers in Harney County are moving forward with efforts to change the legal system.

Occupiers say they’ve voted to ask Joaquin Mariano DeMoreta-Folch, a long-time Tea Party activist, to convene a common law grand jury.

He tracks its origins back to the Magna Carta, British common law and the U.S. Constitution and he warns, the jury meets in absolute secrecy. “The media, you cannot ask the question to them. That’s a felony,” he told reporters.

“So make sure (you know) what you are doing because if you ask me: How many? What they say? Why they vote? You’re committing the crime of felony and I will hold you accountable,” said DeMoreta-Folch. ............

At which point, someone called out the question, "How many are there, and what are there names?" No respect for pretend judges! [center]

Paul D @Paulmd199
So, this Common Law Grand Jury is actually illegal in Oregon. h/t @JohnLGC #Oregonstandoff



OPB ‏@OPB Jan 21
The latest on the #MalheurOccupation http://ow.ly/XnLK5

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77. Not doing anything lets them believe they have a point.

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78. Free Occupied Burns! - Day of Action across Oregon - Sat. Jan. 30th

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Free Occupied Burns!‏

The armed occupation of Malheur Wildlife Refuge has gone on too long. One day was too long, and now it’s three weeks and counting.

It’s time to show our solidarity with the people of Occupied Burns. The intimidation tactics being deployed in Harney County by various right wing militias, whether it’s Ammon Bundy and crew, or the Idaho 3%ers, or the so-called Oath Keepers, are not new to us, nor confined to the Burns area.

ROP staff has been subject to these tactics of surveillance, trespassing, threats, and sabotage. The people of Josephine County experienced much of the same in April, during the Oath Keepers’ armed encampment at the Sugar Pine Mine. In October just days after the UCC gun massacre, Roseburg residents were subjected to an armed response to President Obama’s visit to pay his respects. Even worse, various elected officials, such as Yamhill County Commissioner Mary Starrett and Roseburg State Representative Dallas Heard have begun to lend support to the armed takeover.

Time to draw a line!

The Rural Organizing Project calls for a Day of Action across Oregon on Saturday, January 30th.

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The Rural Organizing Project (ROP) is a statewide organization of locally-based groups that work to create communities accountable to a standard of human dignity: the belief in the equal worth of all people, the need for equal access to justice and the right to self-determination. Starting in 1992, ROP’s challenges to the anti-democratic right have earned ROP a national reputation for being an effective grassroots organization that takes on the hard issues.

We believe in 3 guiding principles:

Every human being matters
Every issue is interconnected
It’s all about transformational organizing

The catalyst for ROP was the Oregon Citizens Alliance’s outrageous Abnormal Behaviors Initiative, which targeted gay and lesbian Oregonians for legalized second-class citizenship. Oregonians in small towns across the state were mobilized, many for the first time, as basic tenets of the Constitution were at risk through this ballot initiative. ROP stepped into this organizing opportunity to fill a niche the radical right was trying to claim.

ROP is not your typical organization. We work with an organized grassroots base .............

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82. Tribe asks feds to shut down travel by Malheur occupants - VIDEO

Tribe asks feds to shut down travel by Malheur occupants

BURNS, Ore. -- The Burns Paiute Tribe is asking the U.S. Department of Justice to prevent an armed group from moving freely on and off the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon.

Read their statement and letter

Tribal chairwoman Charlotte Rodrique said the government should secure the refuge and stop allowing members of the group free passage to and from the site. She said the tribe fears some of the artifacts at the site will go missing.

Complete Coverage: Armed occupation at Oregon refuge

“It is clear now that the lawbreakers have gained access to the artifacts and the files, even posting videos on social media from the storage area,” said Rodrique. “We are more concerned than ever that some of these artifacts will go missing when this is all over.”

She adds that "the militants have been allowed to come and go freely and restock and replenish supplies, hold news conferences, leave the state and more." .....

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Dave Killen Verified account ‏@killendave 22 minutes ago
A few counter-protesters have arrived, including Ed Intvan, who's with a group of hiking enthusiasts #Oregonstandoff


Buzz_Patriot ‏@Buzz_Patriot 1 hour ago
@Ammon_Bundy This patriot stands with you Ammon! #Oregonstandoff #CitizensForConstitutionalFreedom #YallQaeda #tcot

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84. If this was a group of black men protesting, I doubt they'd be granted this much leeway.

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85. a nefarious and evil plan to make anti-government buffoons appear as what they are,

This incident is certainly allowing people across America to see what an irrational and absurd platform the sovereign citizens movement rests on. If there was ever a nefarious and evil plan to make anti-government buffoons appear as what they are, and pull out any tattered remnants of respectability out from under them, this hurry-up-and-wait strategy seems to be working flawlessly.

Let them talk, unedited. Let them preach, without censor. Let them appear three or four nights a week on network news. Doing so will assuredly assist them in skulking back quietly into that good night.

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86. The ‘Deep Pockets’ Behind the Oregon Takeover #BundyMilitia #OregonUnderAttack

The meeting tonight was cancelled for security reasons, contrary to this story.

The ‘Deep Pockets’ Behind the Oregon Takeover
by Tina Casey on Monday, Jan 25th, 2016

From a corporate social responsibility angle, Arizona businessman Ammon Bundy’s motivation for invading the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge is clear: He has repeatedly said that he wants to help the local community in eastern Oregon. However, Mr. Bundy seems to have unique notions about who needs what kind of help. And just when you thought he could not find another bucket to step in, well, there he goes again.

The latest misadventure happened on Friday, when Bundy tried to orchestrate an on-camera interview with an FBI negotiator, only to be turned down unceremoniously over the phone. Instead of face-to-face drama, Bundy gave the media nothing but yet another statement of made-up mumbo jumbo about the constitutional authority of county sheriffs that only makes sense if you slept through your 4th grade civics class.

From that non-event, Bundy took the media over to the office of a genuine sheriff, Harney County Sheriff David M. Ward, who also refused to meet with him.

....... In a media interview posted on YouTube, Ammon Bundy had this to say about support for his actions (go to the one-minute mark to catch it):

“We have a lot of political support, but I’ll let them be the one to step up ahead. We also have a lot of deep pockets if you will, financial support that are willing to invest ....

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Dave Killen Verified account ‏@killendave 4 hours ago
Familiar scene out at the refuge, save for less snow & new sign on truck that blocks the entrance #Oregonstandoff


Susan Parrish ‏@Col_schools 4 hours ago
The Burns Paiute Tribe asks feds to stop armed #OregonStandoff group from travel. http://buff.ly/1OT604z #Malheur


Bundy Dog Militia ‏@BundyDogMilitia 4 hours ago
In honor of #OregonStandoff, can we declare today 'free govt. truck day' for all? #DOJ #FBI #POTUS @HarneyCoSheriff