Oregon standoff: Holdouts offer peaceful exit but say they're 'not afraid to die'
Source: CNN
The four people who remain holed up inside the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge in Oregon say they are ready to leave peacefully -- or prepared to die.
There had been five people still in the refuge, but one man left Thursday morning. One of the others inside the refuge drove the man to a checkpoint and dropped him off, Anderson said.
The four have a proposal to leave peacefully but are not afraid to die, Anderson said. They want the FBI to let them walk away and return to their home states without being arrested or confronted, Anderson said.
"We are willing to leave peacefully," he said. "If the FBI will let us leave without arrest or forcing us through the checkpoint, we will all go home."
Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/28/us/oregon-wildlife-refuge-siege-arrests/index.html
Let me wrap my head around this: The big brave 'freedumb fighters' are brave enough to die, but too chicken to face arrest or go through a checkpoint. And these are the imbeciles the right wing looks up to??
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Awww, if they gotta ....... 
Because the Feds were able to prevent a Waco-style tragedy.
There was Tarpman; but all in all they did great. 
If you do the crime you have to do the time. Man up as they say. 
security etc. 
Marion Lenz
There are few things professional soldiers despise more than some fake wannabe warrior.
Professional military personnel look upon militias and paramilitaries the same way cops regard amateur security guards.
And for good reason.
Irregular militias, paramilitaries, are worse than useless when it comes to defense of a nation. Literally worse than useless. They are untrained, undisciplined, undependable, and too often belligerently unaware of their own pitiful state. They take up resources and risk the security of real soldiers. Irregular militias are often indistinguishable from an armed mob. Like those currently occupying Malheur Wildlife Refuge in Oregon, militias are almost always composed of misfits and rejects, wannabe soldiers and pretend Marines puffed up with stolen valor, disaffected braggarts, belligerent drunkards, criminals, the dangerously mentally ill, conspiracy theorists, and angry losers of every stripe.
These raggedy-assed pretend patriots are not out there defending your freedom.
Most of them don’t even rise to the level of the militiamen who fled the British at Kip’s Bay.
They’re in it for themselves.
They’re in it for themselves and only for themselves and make no mistake about it.
These are Sovereign Citizens – an oxymoron if ever there was one. These are people who have declared themselves a nation unto themselves and have rejected the obligations of civilization. They are citizens of nothing, an army of one, defenders of mob rule and rights by force.
They believe freedom comes at the muzzle of a gun and only at the muzzle of a gun, and they believe in their freedom not yours.
They literally believe a gun gives them the right to do anything they want.
Literally, these people believe might makes right - or more correctly might makes rights. Their rights, not yours.
Those militiamen occupying Malheur Wildlife Refuge are little different from the mobs of armed men currently roaming Somalia or Iraq or Syria. They are lawless thugs, nothing more. They want you to believe they are defending freedom, defending America, defending their twisted and simplistic interpretation of the Constitution.
They’ve turned the Second Amendment into a religion, a bizarre sexual fetish, into mental illness.
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This is one,if not the best description of these feckin' bozos I've read.Thank you Reflection. Spot on
It is too perfect a description.
4 left =
Almost up to the bitter end of WW II some of the high level Nazis wanted to
negotiate w/the Americans and the Brits for a better deal. Ike would have
none of that crap and so should the local, state, and feds w/these treasonous
assholes.
