The Latest: Remaining Oregon occupiers say they want pardons

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

The Latest: Remaining Oregon occupiers say they want pardons

Updated 3:37 pm, Friday, January 29, 2016

BURNS, Ore. (AP) — The latest on an armed group that took over buildings at a federal wildlife refuge in Oregon (all times local):

1:35 p.m.

The last few occupiers of an Oregon wildlife refuge have posted another video in which they say they want pardons for everyone involved in the nearly monthlong standoff.

Four people remain at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge. In a video posted Friday to the YouTube channel "DefendYourBase," which the group has been using to give live updates, the occupiers said they were in contact with the FBI.

A speaker believed to be David Fry said he asked the FBI whether it was possible to "get out of here without charges," but "they keep saying that's not possible."

Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/science/article/The-Latest-FBI-4-holdouts-remain-at-Oregon-6793054.php

[DebbieCDC]

1. Leave 'em there until they starve, freeze or surrender

End of story.

[debunction.junction]

30. Amen to that. Actions have consequences.

The Bundy's can rot in jail. Although it would be hard to swallow, I might support the pardon of the four left at the refuge, if everyone in prison receives a pardon as well, for possession of pot. If you are pardoned, are your voting rights reinstated?

[Turbineguy]

2. What's the point of being white

and voting for republicans if you can't even get a fucking pardon?

[BillZBubb]

3. And I want to be a billionaire.

It ain't gonna happen.

[The Wielding Truth]

4. Really.They have no respect for our country. I say,"Throw th book at them!"

Let the underwear bomber go, too. His intent was the same as theirs.

[longship]

5. Ay-yup! Good luck with that, douchebag!

These guys are delusional that they hold any power whatsoever against the law, by continuing their flagrant violations of law.

Dum-de-Dum-dumb!

[Kip Humphrey]

6. Let me get this straight, they're asking Obama to pardon them??? Oh, the irony!

[murielm99]

10. I thought they did not recognize any Federal authority?

Let them pardon themselves.

[Myrina]

46. ^^ this ^^

NT

[Warren Stupidity]

22. Oh Lordy. Obama should pardon them.

Just so they have to live the rest of their sorry-ass dumbasfuck lives with the shame that would entail.

[Kip Humphrey]

25. Excellent! Plus, just think of all the humiliation they will have to endure on their Facebook pages!

[MH1]

38. One teeny, tiny problem with that - they have no sense of shame.

They would be totally incapable of even being aware of their shame, let alone the hypocrisy and irony.

[uppityperson]

7. You break the law in such an obvious way, there are consequences

[Not Sure]

8. They knew what they were getting into...

[keithbvadu2]

9. The Oregon terrorists recognize they broke the law

by requesting pardons.

Now they want to negotiate pardons for peace?

Now the militia wants our gov't to bargain with terrorists.

[Brother Buzz]

11. I'm not a constitutional scholar, nor do I play on on television, but....

Aren't pardons only granted AFTER a conviction?

[Lochloosa]

12. No. Remember Nixon.

[Brother Buzz]

14. Well, there you go...

But Ford was never elected President, or even Vice President, so that pardon was bogus from the get-go.

I'll keep my day job.

[Lochloosa]

23. Ford was more legit than the shrub.

[Gregorian]

16. Doh! I should have read this first. Damn you Nixon!

[Brother Buzz]

19. There's only one brass ring

I'm guessing if any one of these yahoos can be elected President, he might just be granted a pardon.

[sinkingfeeling]

13. Wow. Want to start an insurrection and then want pardons

from the very government you claimed had no authority over you.

Grow up and take your punishment like the men you claimed to be.

[homegirl]

31. Overwhelming

sense of entitlement. Exhilarating, but, what a letdown when you crash and burn. It is really insulting to law abiding Americans that these terrorists now ask for pardons.

[Gregorian]

15. Don't you have to be convicted first?

No, evidently. This is why I love this forum. Someone always has the answer.

[peacebird]

17. Sorry, but no. You get charged with federal offenses and serious jail time results. Plus loss of gun

And voting rights.

You did the crime. Quit whining. You will do the time. Enjoy your "camping", hope you have enough snacks & dildos

[mahina]

18. Absolutely. No problem.

Just step into this van...

[Shrike47]

20. I really wonder what they thought would happen when they joined up? Of course you get prison!

I picture them fantasizing that the rest of America would realize they were right and hail them as heroes. These guys are not very bright.

[Warren Stupidity]

21. Dumbasfuckers are starting to clue-up.

[Chasstev365]

24. Pardon Us

as we throw your asses in jail for treasonous sedition. These people are loony tunes!

[tularetom]

26. Since they are sovereign citizens why don't they just pardon themselves?

And see how far that gets them.

[annabanana]

37. HA! . .Exactly! . . . n/t

[closeupready]

27. OMG, you really LITERALLY can NOT make this stuff up.

You really really can't.

[randys1]

28. I say offer them pardons and a pizza party

and then when they are off the site and so on, arrest their asses and indict them.

[rurallib]

29. chutzpah - murdering your parents then asking the court for leniency because you're an orphan

these guys have chutzpah

I say tie 'em to stakes for a few days and let the birds shit all over them. They did foul the birds nest after all

[homegirl]

32. Absolutely

appropriate punishment. But I would add five years community service, 40 hours a week, cleaning and repairing the damage they did to the bird sanctuary.

[BarbaRosa]

33. Would you like snacks with that pardon?

[Wibly]

34. No more negotiation

They should be told to put their guns on the ground, their hands in the air, and to come on out of there. Period.
If they don't, the place should be completely surround, any utilities shut down, and the noose tightened until the crawl out on their bellies begging for water and food.

[central scrutinizer]

35. "Defendyourbase"?

Base in Arabic is "Al Qaeda"

Seems appropriate for these religious extremists

[trillion]

36. You play the game, you pay.

[SwankyXomb]

39. Sorry, only one person can get away with demanding a pardon for his acts of terror

[jmowreader]

40. No negotiations with terrorists!

The only "pardon" they deserve is, "pardon me? Are you really that stupid?"

[tclambert]

41. Bravery such as theirs the world has seldom seen.

"We'll fight to the death! Or until the snacks run out! And we'll leave quietly if you give us a pardon! You know, from the government we refuse to recognize. And . . . we're patriots! That's why you should pardon us. We're patriots who hate our own government. Do they have snacks in prison?"

[The Second Stone]

42. No pardons for you!

prison time!

[Dont call me Shirley]

43. A pardon kinda like "Pardon me Ma'am would you please pass me the ketchup?"...

[paleotn]

44. Ummm, let me think.....

NO!!

[justgamma]

45. I thought they got a pardon

the first time they pointed their guns at law enforcement and were not arrested.

[Vinca]

47. No, no and no.

Then the rest of us commit crimes we go to jail. Why do these dimwits think they're "special?"

[Joe Chi Minh]

48. So the old Cockney saying about them thar hicks was right all along:

"If you can't fight, wear a big hat !"

[Sunlei]

49. think they should have them walk out and the woman with 2 dogs. put 2 crates on the ground & let

her put the dogs in the crates. They're scared now and shes probably scared for her dogs.

[happyslug]

50. Give them a pardon, the Governor will gladly do it

Then charge them with federal offesnse that such a pardon does not cover. You can also do the reverse have Obama issue a Federal pardon and when they surrender charge them with state charges. A fedreal pardon does NOT affect State charges.

Issuing one but not the other may get these idiots to surrender and end this debacle, and they are stipif enough not to understand they need both pardons to stay out of jail. They have committed both federal and state crimes here. Breaking into a building you have no right to enter is a state crime. Breaking into a federal building is a federal crime. Thus crew did BOTH. Thus do they spend time in a federal or state penitentiary is the only remaing question and that can be resolved by who issued the pardon.

[deathrind]

51. Uh...

Yea, that is probably not going to happen. You can't be part of a group that takes over a federal site, destroys federal property, threatens harm and gets into a shoot out with federal agents that leaves one person dead and then be like "our bad, can we just got home and forget this ever happened"

Ya'll are gonna do some time for this one.

[Kennah]

52. I'd like to date Katy Perry

Wait, is this the "State something that will never happen" thread?

[Babel_17]

53. And now the hangover

"Dear God, please make it go away". I can commiserate, I've made some pain inducing choices in my life, but my full sympathy is reserved for if/when they grok where they went wrong.

Let's hear their allocution, and with that their exhortation to their compatriots to not follow in their footsteps. But that's for after they get lawyers. Right now their trying to negotiate, instead of just asking how they should surrender, shouldn't be earning them anything. If anything, it goes to them exhibiting a state of mind* that has contempt for the rule of law.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Allocution

In plea bargains, an allocution may be required of the defendant; the defendant explicitly admits specifically and in detail to what he or she did and for what reason, in exchange for a reduced sentence. In principle, it removes any doubt as to the exact nature of the defendant's guilt in the matter.

I remember hearing about that while watching The Sopranos. Johnny Sack was derided for complying with the government's insistence on him doing that in order for him to gain any concessions for his family's benefit.

Johnny's efforts to maintain control of his family ultimately proved futile. His lawyer, Ron Perse, floated the possibility of cooperating with the FBI, but John was quick to dismiss this. However, as the trial neared, Ron arranged a deal with the government on Johnny's behalf. Facing a massive asset seizure that would have left both him and beloved wife destitute and a case he could not possibly beat, Johnny pleaded guilty to 47 RICO predicates for a reduced sentence of 15 years and a fine of $4.1 million — effectively ending his position as boss (but still leaving Ginny enough money to live comfortably). As part of the deal, he was also required to give an allocution admitting his involvement in organized crime (although he did not reveal the names of any associates). Members of both the Soprano and Lupertazzi families were angered by his allocution, believing that John should have stood trial before admitting anything regarding La Cosa Nostra. Johnny was now serving 15 years in federal prison, and was considered persona non grata among his former associates.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Johnny_Sack

*They might truly be in a fantasy land, where all the make believe legal jumbo they throw around actually has weight. Shame on us if we enable this mindset any further. Though I'm OK with cutting them some slack at sentencing time because they are delusional. That really should be their defense.

[olddad56]

54. what felon wouldn't like a pardon?

[TexasBushwhacker]

55. Pardon me, but which prison do you prefer? N/t

[The Second Stone]

56. If they wanted a cellmate, their wish would be granted

but none of them are practically grounded in reality.