Oregon occupation organizer Ammon Bundy, brother denied bail

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Reuters

Fri Jan 29, 2016 6:09pm EST

Oregon occupation organizer Ammon Bundy, brother denied bail

Portland, Ore.


Ammon Bundy, organizer of the armed occupation of an Oregon wildlife refuge, will remain in custody pending his trial on felony conspiracy charges, a U.S. District Court judge ruled on Friday.

U.S. Magistrate Stacie Beckerman said she believed Bundy might attempt to occupy other federal property if she allowed him to be released on bail before his trial on charges of conspiracy to use force, intimidation or threats to impede federal officers from discharging their duties.

Bundy's brother, Ryan Bundy, was also ordered held.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-hearing-idUSKCN0V72RB

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[MBS]

1. Right on. n/t

[L. Coyote]

11. Judge: Ammon Bundy, Ryan Bundy, and Ryan Payne pose a danger to the community

U.S. Magistrate Judge Stacie Beckerman said at court hearings Friday for group leader Ammon Bundy, his brother Ryan Bundy and Ryan Payne that they pose a danger to the community and she's concerned they won't follow orders to return to Oregon for criminal proceedings........

In a court filing Friday, prosecutors say Bundy, his brother Ryan Bundy and others "have long been associated with armed conflicts with the federal government and have repeatedly rejected the authority of the federal government, making them unsuitable for court-ordered supervision."

They cite their participation Ammon Bundy and others took part in the 2014 armed standoff with the government over grazing rights led by the Bundys' father, Nevada rancher Cliven Bundy.

http://www.kgw.com/news/local/federal-court-case-vs-occupiers/24950920

[MBS]

26. The judge voiced exactly the right concerns.

They do pose a danger to the community, and they almost surely wouldn't follow orders to return to Oregon for trial and yes, they have been associated with previous armed conflicts with the federal government and they are unsuitable for court-ordered supervision.
Looks like she covered all the bases.

[immoderate]

2. Makes sense to me.

--imm

[jpak]

3. Do they get snacks in jail?

[dhill926]

19. bags o' dicks to be sure...

[randys1]

4. Not one of them will be convicted if their trials are held in their own backyards.

right?

[atreides1]

5. Well

Since neither one of the Bundy's are from Oregon, it's unlikely the trial will be held in their backyards!

There is a perfectly fine federal court in Portland, and the jury pool is very diverse.

[randys1]

7. Yeah, that is true, but if trials are held where there is sympathy, could be a problem

[passiveporcupine]

12. Portlanders won't have a lot of sympathy.

If it was held in Pendleton, that would be a different story.

[Bluenorthwest]

17. Where would that be and why would they hold trials there? They commited crimes in Oregon and they

will stand trial here. Why would you think otherwise?

[L. Coyote]

13. Sorry #BundyBunch, you will be tried in Little Beirut! LOL

Next time, pick a Mormon town to terrorize!

[monicaangela]

21. I believe

they will get a fair trial in Portland Oregon. I also feel that the people that live in the town outside the reserve they occupied won't be too sympathetic regarding their actions. I personally feel the Bundy's and the rest of that group should be grateful for the fact that they have that thing known as white privilege in this nation. If they didn't, I don't believe they would be around to worry about bail or jail or anything else. Maybe they can be converted to Islam while they are in jail, that way the next time they try this they will see what happens when you don't have that privilege that they are taking for granted.

[NV Whino]

6. Good.

[Bettie]

8. Anyone have the address

to send the Dildos to?

[pinboy3niner]

20. Send them snacks from Voodoo Doughnuts

[monicaangela]

22. I believe someone

already sent them a barrel of lubricant, maybe the feds will be sympathetic enough to allow them to bring it into the prison. I don't think they'll need Dildos, they'll have access to the real thing.

[2naSalit]

9. I didn't think they'd be released

Since they are facing federal charges they will be brought before federal judge(es)... this is part of the 9th District, might not look favorably on them, they would have had an easier time of it if they'd stayed in the 10th District.

I could be mistaken about this, if so let me know how it works.

[treestar]

10. Good decision

He considers himself above the law.

[longship]

14. Good! They should deny bail for all of them.

They drew the line in the sand, government is evil. Let them all stew in their own juices, in jail.

Fuck them all!

[Jim__]

15. Good news!

[alcibiades_mystery]

16. They don't recognize the legitimacy of the court and have a history of armed defiance to law

enforcement.

Why should they be granted bail? They are severely high risk to violate bail in a way that's a threat to the public safety, and to law enforcement officers.

Imagine these dudes got bail and set up another armed encampment and killed a federal LE officer? What magistrate would want that to be on his or her record?

[Ford_Prefect]

18. The location will be determined by Federal Jurisdiction, since the charges are Federal.

The Judge also made clear today that no one will be released under any circumstances until the occupation has ended.

Federal courts operate a bit differently than local criminal courts.

http://www.oregonlive.com/portland/index.ssf/2016/01/federal_magistrate_judge_as_lo.html

[hopemountain]

23. and no access to the internet?

no personal phone? limited monitored/recorded phone calls to immediate family, only? solitary? hope this is also a condition of his time in jail.

[yellowcanine]

24. Bundys think they are going to be able to make trial about Federal Land policy.

I believe they are in for a rude awakening if they try that. Every time they go off on some "Constitutional" tangent the Federal Prosecutor is going to say, "Objection" and the Judge will sustain. After the first couple of times the Judge will have had enough and issue a warning to the defense lawyers to cut the crap.

[yellowcanine]

25. They are going to be there a good long time because the FBI has a lot of work to do once they get

access to the crime scene. And then they may have a bunch more charges to draw up, etc. And then their defense lawyers will need some time to do discovery - and there will be huge fights about what they are entitled to. Grazing permit records, etc. are not going to be admissible and a lot of time will be wasted before the lawyers get all that straightened out. Oh these suckers are in for a while before they even see a jury unless they can work out some kind of deal to avoid trial.

[lark]

27. Smart judge!

He'd definitely be causing trouble somewhere if released. He's got a track record and thankfully she took that into account.

[awoke_in_2003]

29. The judge is a woman. nt

[Politicub]

28. Complete and utter morans

The federal government did a good job of managing this situation. I was one of the ones that wanted to see them go in and arrest them when it first started.

It's a good thing that clear-eyed people were in charge and not me.