Sanders, not going away quietly, puts Clinton on defensive in Democratic debate
Source: Los Angeles Times
He mocked Clintons record on trade and Wall Street, casting her as a late and opportunistic convert to progressive economics.
Secretary Clinton supported virtually every one of the disastrous trade agreements written by corporate America, he said, singling out the North American Free Trade Agreement reached by President Clintons administration in the 1990s which, Sanders said, erased tens of thousands of jobs in the Midwest.
In contrast, Sanders offered his own early opposition to the proposed Trans-Pacific Partnership under consideration by Congress.
I understood that these trade agreements were going to destroy the middle class of this country, he said. I led the fight against them.
Read more: http://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-democratic-debate-20160306-story.html
retrowire
(10,345 posts)And clearly I will agree, KnR with the one that reflects my own. Because I feel this is correct and the others are lies.
Bernie totally kicked ass.
JonLeibowitz
(6,282 posts)I am much more impressed by my local LA Times than by the nominally august NY Times.
dchill
(38,321 posts)Nice subliminals, though.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)and they just can't help themselves.
The mainstream media could report and offer fair analyses of events. Or they could count their advertising revenue.
They pick 'B' every time.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)UpInArms
(51,252 posts)and can see the subliminal tilt to the right
with hillary's sign - it point right
thanks for the post!
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Looking back to the past is usually indicated in the leftward direction. I guess you see what you expect to see...
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Nitram
(22,671 posts)What did I write that suggested I was " uninformed about the issues and our history?" All I wrote was that timelines run from left to right, and in the West it is a convention represent time that way. What "issues and history" did I mention to bring about your nasty ad-hominem comment?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Nitram
(22,671 posts)...is not universally accepted as indicating a conservative ideology, while it is universally understood in the West to indicate the direction of the future. And from that you infer and accuse me of being "uninformed about the issues and our history?" What's that all about?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)over 50 years of living.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)Or in a high school history classroom? What direction does time go on the x-axis of a graph? Why do clock hands move clockwise?
Links:
http://ux.stackexchange.com/questions/72827/do-arrows-pointing-right-mean-progression-universally
https://www.psychologytoday.com/blog/culture-conscious/201110/is-the-left-after
("If English is your native tongue, you're likely to think of time as moving from left to right."
http://arstechnica.com/science/2014/10/one-arrow-of-time-to-rule-them-all/
(look at the illustration with this caption: "Time starts at the left and moves right, obviously."
http://www.pitara.com/science-for-kids/5ws-and-h/why-do-clocks-run-clockwise/
"In the Northern Hemisphere the Sun appears to move in the sky from the left to the right and so the hands of the clock were made to follow the Suns motion, moving from left to right or what is commonly known as clockwise."
Here's a different take: http://time.com/3745935/mario-left-right/
I repeat: What "issues and history" did I mention to bring about your nasty ad-hominem comment?
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)It is more than apropos. Bernie is the left wing. Hillary is the right wing. If you want to look at elementary school anecdotes, let's: Hillary is taking us in a different direction, Bernie is taking us back to where we belong: Our 80-year history with working class, ordinary folks, the middle class, and labor. Specifically, organized labor, who built this country over the last century. The folks that the Third Way threw under the bus. Hillary is Third Way. Ewwww. I literally shudder at her. BTW, I was in this party from birth, over 50 years ago now. I am, in fact, standing in the same spot I was then. So yes, I know full well what the left and right arrows symbolize to me and many others. I have been used, as has my family, as a punching bag over the last many decades, being that we are a strong union family. We helped build the things the third way is trying to tear down. Things that all Americans of the modern era have traditionally enjoyed, whether or not they were union. Like a 40 hour work week. Like Vacation pay. Like workplace safety regulations that later formed OSHA, a vitally important safety function of our government. I'm not budging this time. Bernie or bust. The end. (That said, I won't have to bust, because Bernie will win this thing handily.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)I am still waiting for an apology for attacking me personally for suggesting that the symbolism of an arrow pointing to the right is more commonly associated with the future than a political preference. You asked for evidence, I gave you plenty. You have not provided a single iota of evidence for your little theory (in spite of sly digs about "elementary anecdotes" .
Once again, you wrote that my comment demonstrated I was "uninformed about the issues and our history?"
Once again, I request an apology rather than a lengthy deflection. Or are you just a flinger of random meaningless words, empty as a shadow?
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)agreements goes back some many years, and it does, it suggests to a keen observer that his vision for a better country involves respect for and support of the men and women who work to make a living.
IMO that is not a small distinction in the current national discourse. Not that the mainstream media would give a damn.
The men and women working hard to make ends meet do not make the incomes the 1-percent make, and no one knows their names. Sanders' message includes them, and they are hearing it, and he has come decidedly farther with his campaign than anybody initially believed he would. In large part because he is speaking for those without voices, those people CNN and ABC are not interviewing or reporting on, those who want change not for its own sake but because it's need is urgent if a fairer landscape and economic justice are to be achieved.
Warpy
(110,909 posts)while the Clinton team has been going for the big donors and trying to snap up as many "super" delegates as they can.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)fat-cat donors.
His campaign is almost symbolized by long lines of people who don't have that kind of clout or that size a wallet.
And there's a lot of us out here.
Divernan
(15,480 posts)silvershadow
(10,336 posts)is firmly in the camp of the working man, and I also know his support for unions is more than just lip service. I truly hope my political instincts are correct, and he is going to crush it!
I was unceremoniously given a big F.U. in an email on DU today from a member who has been here since 2006, and it was all about another post I made with my firm support for labor. I come from a union household, in a formerly union town. I am also older now, and I know every detail of what has happened over the last 40 years to labor. I guess my command of the issues is too much for some folks to handle.
I look at it like this: I was here first (in the party), as compared to these Third Wayers. They are the interlopers into my party, not me. (*note to the younger folk here: Respect your elders. Learn from them. Some folks I have run into think they know much more than they do, and they only show how woefully uneducated they really are.)
If the wrong person takes the helm of the ship in January, you can kiss even more of your meager benefits goodbye. They are already cracking the Federal Pensions now, just as they have at the state level, and you can bet vacations and sick days etc are next. At a minimum.
I truly hope that the unions make endorsements as soon as we have a clear front runner (or sooner, if the help to get the right candidate is needed).
jwirr
(39,215 posts)teach ins to help us with the caucuses, and at the caucuses wearing their Bernie shirts just like the rest of us.
BTW wearing your candidate items is legal here - since a caucus involves talking up your candidate there is no reason to hide who you support.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Nitram
(22,671 posts)Clearly if they endorse Clinton they don't count.
silvershadow
(10,336 posts)Uncle Joe
(58,112 posts)Thanks for the thread, Cheese Sandwich.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)in Maine today apparently do not perceive that Senator Sanders is "going away."
His campaign appears to be quite immediate and urgent, if the percentages by which they supported him are any gauge.
One is hesitant to accuse major news sources of snide bias, and yet, the evidence does begin to pile up.
jwirr
(39,215 posts)can throw out as much propaganda as she wants most of us are here to the end.
saltpoint
(50,986 posts)I love to hear.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)And when she interrupts him while he is speaking, he asks her to stop interrupting him.
He sounds like the true statesman that he is!
There's nothing phony about him.
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)How rude!!
madokie
(51,076 posts)another candidate referring to the President as 'that one,' remember that?
Major Hogwash
(17,656 posts)But, I was too afraid of saying that . . because I cannot afford to suffer another hide.
pangaia
(24,324 posts)Rebkeh
(2,450 posts)Enthusiast
(50,983 posts)MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)The idea, when carried forth with that kind of leadership, is much bigger than the person. This IS a political revolution. Why, then WOULD it go away?
The only way is if those of us who have gotten the message (way more than some on this board think) made us "go away"....
And THAT is NOT going to happen.
madokie
(51,076 posts)and I ain't going anywhere but to the voting booth to give Bernie my vote. Already have once and plan on doing the same again.
MrMickeysMom
(20,453 posts)ebayfool
(3,411 posts)That's sarcasm, of course. Just the very thing the Clinton posse has been squalling about all night in GD !
TY for the catch, Cheese. I like it. A lot!
Nitram
(22,671 posts)But Sanders does it so well, we just have to forgive him!
GoneOffShore
(17,309 posts)She can squirm but she can't hide from the truth (truth being a very slippery concept in Camp Weathervane).
BrainDrain
(244 posts)you will be putting HRC on the defensive.......
tomm2thumbs
(13,297 posts)"The sparring between the two candidates is growing in intensity as polls show Clintons lead narrowing in a state that was once looked at by her supporters as an easy win. Sanders has been spending heavily in Michigan, and he is aiming to bounce off the momentum of weekend victories in Nebraska, Kansas and Maine into an upset."
No one should EVER consider any state an 'easy win' - how self-serving
pangaia
(24,324 posts)malthaussen
(17,066 posts)If he works it right, he won't be going away at all.
-- Mal
Gregorian
(23,867 posts)Come on, Bernie, you need to step this up a notch. Stop being so kind.
SoapBox
(18,791 posts)He has tried to be nice...but Camp Weathervane and Corrupt the Record ain't gonna play that way, so I say step it up!
And for Bernie to step it up, he just needs to keep HITTING her hard with her own statements and positions! Damn those inconvenient facts!
Of course, then there will be the Boo-Hoo...he's attacking a women. Well...tough fuck'n shit!
turbinetree
(24,632 posts)and then this is her record of what she thinks of "trade deals".............. -------------she is a flip---flopper
https://shadowproof.com/2016/03/04/clintons-unveiled-plans-workers-trade-conflict-record/
Honk------------------for a political revolution Bernie 2016
JEB
(4,748 posts)SoapBox
(18,791 posts)So when the fuck does screwing the citizens become what our country is about?
He supports the 99% and he gets flack?
Myrina
(12,296 posts)... and now we're seeing who candidate Clinton really is. Nasty, driven, selfish.
Not the person I want sitting in the Oval Office.
Nitram
(22,671 posts)She didn't suffer fools gladly.
DJ13
(23,671 posts)small hands.