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Purveyor

(29,876 posts)
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:15 PM Mar 2016

Clinton: Iran Should Face Sanctions For Ballistic Missile Tests

Source: The Hill

By Kristina Wong - 03/09/16 01:28 PM EST

Hillary Clinton says Iran should face sanctions after reportedly carrying out ballistic missile tests.

"I am deeply concerned by reports that Iran has tested multiple missiles, which it claimed were stamped with words declaring that 'Israel should be wiped from the pages of history,'" said the Democratic presidential candidate in a statement Wednesday.

"This rhetoric is repulsive and has no place in the community of nations, and as President I will continue to stand with Israel against such threats," she continued.

"Iran should face sanctions for these activities, and the international community must demonstrate that Iran's threats toward Israel will not be tolerated."

Read more: http://thehill.com/policy/defense/272387-clinton-calls-for-new-iran-sanctions-after-ballistic-missile-testing

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Clinton: Iran Should Face Sanctions For Ballistic Missile Tests (Original Post) Purveyor Mar 2016 OP
Already? Fairgo Mar 2016 #1
Sanctions <> War LannyDeVaney Mar 2016 #3
That we not make foreign policy based on headlines from The National Enquirer. n/t jtuck004 Mar 2016 #5
The Clintons' "sanctions" killed 500,000 children in Iraq nichomachus Mar 2016 #13
But they "hate us for our freedom." arcane1 Mar 2016 #27
Borders on genocide ozone_man Mar 2016 #28
+10000 Cavallo Mar 2016 #29
She needs to stop kissing Israel's ass every chance she gets. giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #2
So you see nothing wrong with a nation calling for the destruction of another nation? 7962 Mar 2016 #6
Nope, I'm sick of the coddleing bullshit we've done giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #12
Funny how their actual neighbors dont seem to quarrel with them much. 7962 Mar 2016 #14
Hmmm, maybe it's because the us the US as their big bad bully? giftedgirl77 Mar 2016 #18
Ha! yeah, THATS what it is. 7962 Mar 2016 #19
Perhaps you're cool leftynyc Mar 2016 #16
Yes, I missed the "written in Hebrew" part. No intent there, right? 7962 Mar 2016 #20
She's getting paid by at least one wealthy Israelite that was exposed in her super pack. Cavallo Mar 2016 #31
I think it's more South Florida Jewish voters she's appealing to here. EndElectoral Mar 2016 #37
I'm glad she stepped up & said something about that bullshit. 7962 Mar 2016 #4
Will she still try and take credit for the Iran deal Press Virginia Mar 2016 #7
She takes responsibility for her part, along with all the others who worked hard for years. Sunlei Mar 2016 #23
no she wont Press Virginia Mar 2016 #24
yeah, those expert diplomats, who have met with Iran for 100s of hours don't deserve any 'credit'. Sunlei Mar 2016 #25
If it goes south, will those experts take responsibility? Press Virginia Mar 2016 #26
What do you suggest for global diplomacy and USA diplomacy policies with Iran.? Sunlei Mar 2016 #30
I'm asking what she'll do if it turns out to be a mess Press Virginia Mar 2016 #33
A rhetorical queston because don't we all remember the news right after the deal-She threatened war Cavallo Mar 2016 #36
Iran is already "a mess", but there is that recent agreement as a positive. Iran could 'grow-up'. Sunlei Mar 2016 #41
Excuse me? She tried very hard to break that deal and fought it. Cavallo Mar 2016 #32
She lists it as one of her successes Press Virginia Mar 2016 #34
I can't even begin to name all the issues she fliped flopped on. By november it was just comic. Cavallo Mar 2016 #35
She might want to see if she becomes the president - not looking good!!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #8
We should hope. That war hawk should never have the power she craves. Cavallo Mar 2016 #38
Haha!!! Elmer S. E. Dump Mar 2016 #49
This is already getting inflated starroute Mar 2016 #9
In the meantime, India (who has a ton of nukes) just tested THEIR ballistic missiles in secret NickB79 Mar 2016 #10
Who have they threatened with destruction? 7962 Mar 2016 #15
Itching to Carry on the PNAC Agenda McKim Mar 2016 #11
Same person who spoke about the potential to "totally obliterate" all of Iran back in 2008 Mufaddal Mar 2016 #17
she says this violates UN resolutions 6chars Mar 2016 #21
It's only been since September. Cavallo Mar 2016 #40
By gum you're right 6chars Mar 2016 #42
I believe there's more too it. Cavallo Mar 2016 #43
Iran's latest missile test launches do not violate nuclear deal, U.S. says bemildred Mar 2016 #44
No, it violates other resolutions 6chars Mar 2016 #45
You should write them a letter about it, spell that out in detail. bemildred Mar 2016 #46
No, they explicitly discussed it and it was part of why they said it was a good deal 6chars Mar 2016 #47
Ah, I get it, you must be right about everything. bemildred Mar 2016 #48
'tests' and 'word threats' are not attacks. If Iran actually 'attacked', Iran would be flattened by Sunlei Mar 2016 #22
What about the Norks? HassleCat Mar 2016 #39
I agree with President Obama on this Bradical79 Mar 2016 #50
Yeah, let's nuke 'em right fucking now!! tularetom Mar 2016 #51

nichomachus

(12,754 posts)
13. The Clintons' "sanctions" killed 500,000 children in Iraq
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:01 PM
Mar 2016

That is war and borders on genocide.

My suggestion would be to keep the irascible warhawk Mrs. Clinton as far away from the levers of power as possible.

ozone_man

(4,825 posts)
28. Borders on genocide
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:44 PM
Mar 2016

is not an exaggeration. A stroke of the pen, a vote for the Iraq war, support of "moderate" CIA sponsored terrorists in Syria, ... Democrats are just as lethal as Republicans, though their ways are a bit more subtle.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
6. So you see nothing wrong with a nation calling for the destruction of another nation?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:30 PM
Mar 2016

She's hardly kissing Israel's ass to point out these idiotic displays

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
12. Nope, I'm sick of the coddleing bullshit we've done
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:55 PM
Mar 2016

to Israel for as long as I've been alive. Israel is doing blatantly illegal & immoral shit & needs to knock it off. It's no wonder neighboring countries have a low tolerance for their bullshit & drama.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
14. Funny how their actual neighbors dont seem to quarrel with them much.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:09 PM
Mar 2016

Jordan, Saudi Arabia, Egypt. None of them spend their days threatening them or "preparing for an attack" by them. For years they've lived side by side. Maybe its because they all know Israel could kick their ass, but they still get along.
But Iran is a different story because they're still wanting to join the nuclear club.
Certainly you can back the losers in the region all you want.

 

giftedgirl77

(4,713 posts)
18. Hmmm, maybe it's because the us the US as their big bad bully?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:27 PM
Mar 2016

In case you haven't noticed they love to start shit but when ppl push back they run to us for help.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
19. Ha! yeah, THATS what it is.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:11 PM
Mar 2016

Israel has proven many times that they can defeat Arab invaders on their own. Sure, they use our equipment, but if you're unable to handle it its useless
I'd rather back them than a bunch of savages

 

leftynyc

(26,060 posts)
16. Perhaps you're cool
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 05:34 PM
Mar 2016

with the hearty fuck you to President Obama that missile test with the message to wipe out Israel (written in Hebrew) gave our President, I'm not.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
20. Yes, I missed the "written in Hebrew" part. No intent there, right?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:13 PM
Mar 2016

Cant exactly claim it to be an accident by some unruly kid when its THAT specific

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
4. I'm glad she stepped up & said something about that bullshit.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:28 PM
Mar 2016

Iran cant help but show its true colors every chance it gets

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
23. She takes responsibility for her part, along with all the others who worked hard for years.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:14 PM
Mar 2016

Years and years of diplomatic work with Iran.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
25. yeah, those expert diplomats, who have met with Iran for 100s of hours don't deserve any 'credit'.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:32 PM
Mar 2016

Poor oppressed Iran, those hard talking meanie diplomats.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
26. If it goes south, will those experts take responsibility?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:35 PM
Mar 2016

HRC listed her work as a major accomplishment...Iran doesn't seem willing to abide by the agreement.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
30. What do you suggest for global diplomacy and USA diplomacy policies with Iran.?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:47 PM
Mar 2016

Mrs. Clinton as SOS wasn't a 'rogue warrior' making up the rules herself.

 

Press Virginia

(2,329 posts)
33. I'm asking what she'll do if it turns out to be a mess
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:53 PM
Mar 2016

will it quietly go the way of her Libyan adventure, never to be mentioned again or will it become similar to her Iraq War vote where she was bamboozled or the final product wasn't what she was working for.

Cavallo

(348 posts)
36. A rhetorical queston because don't we all remember the news right after the deal-She threatened war
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:57 PM
Mar 2016

with Iran if they even seem like they have obtained a weapon:

Hillary Clinton breaks with Obama, threatens war to enforce Iran deal
http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2015/sep/9/hillary-clinton-threatens-war-enforce-iran-deal/?page=3

She's been threatening nuclear war with them over Israel for 8 years:
http://www.nbcnews.com/id/24246275/ns/msnbc-countdown_with_keith_olbermann/t/clinton-warns-iran-us-nuclear-response/

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
41. Iran is already "a mess", but there is that recent agreement as a positive. Iran could 'grow-up'.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:16 PM
Mar 2016

Iran is pretty much at a crossroads now. Peace with their neighbors or lash out big and return to the 15th century. China would hate to lose Iran, one of their biggest trade customers.

America voted in Bush and gang, not one elected Congress member /Senator walked away in 'protest', did any more then just talk, yes or no vote & move on. They're all responsible for letting Bush/Cheney "bamboozle" the American people.


Cavallo

(348 posts)
32. Excuse me? She tried very hard to break that deal and fought it.
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 08:50 PM
Mar 2016

She didn't wax being for it until it looked popular in the polls.

Within 1 week of it's signing she was trying to break it again.

google. Oh she also threatened war with Iran over it if they even look like they're not following it.

 

Elmer S. E. Dump

(5,751 posts)
49. Haha!!!
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:17 PM
Mar 2016

The missile launch DID NOT violate the nuclear deal! Talk about speaking out of your ass!
Good call, Commander!

starroute

(12,977 posts)
9. This is already getting inflated
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:42 PM
Mar 2016

The original story from Iran's Fars News Agency referred to two missiles, one of which had the words written on it in Hebrew. (http://en.farsnews.com/newstext.aspx?nn=13941219000355)

Now any number of sources are claiming that both missiles had the phrase "stamped," "branded," or "etched" into them. And that's the story Clinton seems to be repeating.

There's a big difference. The first story suggests a one-off insult. The second implies that the entire run of manufacturing including an anti-Israeli phrase stamped onto every missile with official authorization. And of course it's the second version that Clinton is pushing.

I'd like to see someone get to the bottom of this. I know of no original source for the story besides the Fars account -- and of no source at all for the enhanced version. And that seems important.


NickB79

(19,224 posts)
10. In the meantime, India (who has a ton of nukes) just tested THEIR ballistic missiles in secret
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:47 PM
Mar 2016

When do the sanctions against India begin?

McKim

(2,412 posts)
11. Itching to Carry on the PNAC Agenda
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 04:52 PM
Mar 2016

She is itching to carry on the PNAC agenda and make Iran a new enemy. Meanwhile the business community looks forward to more trade. Her friends Robert Kagan and Henry Kissinger have a lot riding on her campaign. Vote Bernie.

Mufaddal

(1,021 posts)
17. Same person who spoke about the potential to "totally obliterate" all of Iran back in 2008
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 06:16 PM
Mar 2016

in response to a question about hypothetical Iranian aggression towards Israel.

Hawks gonna hawk.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
21. she says this violates UN resolutions
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:31 PM
Mar 2016

which Obama promised would be enforced when pushing the nuclear deal with Iran. But that was so long ago, the details are lost to history, I guess. It's a he-said she-said situation.


From the OP link about Iran's missiles:

That action comes despite a United Nations Security Council resolution calling upon Iran to refrain from such tests and follows U.S. sanctions earlier this year.

Obama administration officials say they want to determine whether the tests violated international laws before bringing the issue up before the U.N. Security Council.

Clinton said the missile launches constitute a "blatant violation of Iran's UN Security Council obligations, and such violations must have consequences."

6chars

(3,967 posts)
42. By gum you're right
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 01:57 AM
Mar 2016

Then we shouldn't play dumb. Hillary is right. The whole deal was justified on the basis of vigorous enforcement of other existing restrictions. They are now saying "hey we got the deal, screw that, we are moving toward intercontinental missiles ready to send nukes as soon as we announce our breakout" just like wasn't supposed to happen. Yes, caving on this would be appeasement.


bemildred

(90,061 posts)
44. Iran's latest missile test launches do not violate nuclear deal, U.S. says
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 06:20 AM
Mar 2016

Iran test-launched a series of ballistic missiles Wednesday in an exercise that dramatized Tehran’s determination to bolster its arsenal in the aftermath of last year’s nuclear accord.

The Obama administration labeled the missile launches provocative, but said the firings did not violate the terms of last year’s nuclear deal between Iran and world powers, including the United States.

Iran regularly showcases its homegrown missile program as a proclaimed deterrent against attack by Israel, its longtime regional adversary.

The semiofficial Fars News Agency reported that one of a pair of Qadr H missiles — named after a Koranic verse — was inscribed with the phrase “Israel should be wiped off the Earth,” a stock slogan for years among hard-liners in Iran. The missiles were fired in the nation’s Alborz mountain range, the agency said.

http://www.latimes.com/world/la-fg-iran-missiles-20160309-story.html

6chars

(3,967 posts)
45. No, it violates other resolutions
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:27 AM
Mar 2016

The nuclear deal did not end all obligations for Iran. It was narrowly defined in particular with respect to changing conditions about particular nuclear related issues, e.g., centfuges, inspections, enriched uranium, fissile materials. So of course this does not violate that deal, it violates other conditions whose continued enforcement the President was touting as part of his case for why the deal was so low risk.

Saying this does not violate the nuclear agreement is word play. It violates other conditions already extant. I didn't and Hillary didn't claim it violates the nuclear deal. That is a strawman.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
46. You should write them a letter about it, spell that out in detail.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 07:31 AM
Mar 2016

I'm sure they must have missed that part during the negotiations.

6chars

(3,967 posts)
47. No, they explicitly discussed it and it was part of why they said it was a good deal
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:26 AM
Mar 2016

and why Israel was made safer etc. I certainly hope those statements about vigilance were made with sincere intent. The White House may be choosing to look the other way in spite of the prior strong talk because they don't want the hassle now that they've got the deal to claim. I hope this is not the case.

Full disclosure, I do not support Iran's religious dictatorship government.

bemildred

(90,061 posts)
48. Ah, I get it, you must be right about everything.
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 09:29 AM
Mar 2016

You still need to write them a letter, I can't fix it.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
22. 'tests' and 'word threats' are not attacks. If Iran actually 'attacked', Iran would be flattened by
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 07:46 PM
Mar 2016

Israel and Allies.

edited to make it clear, Iran would be the loser.

 

HassleCat

(6,409 posts)
39. What about the Norks?
Wed Mar 9, 2016, 09:07 PM
Mar 2016

North Korea does this stuff on a daily basis. Why are we not threatening them? We just reached an agreement with Iran. Are we trying to undermine it? The Republicans would love that.

 

Bradical79

(4,490 posts)
50. I agree with President Obama on this
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:36 PM
Mar 2016

No need to go back to sanctions over some nasty rhetoric. Multiple Israeli officials have advocated for genocide. We don't take harmful action based just on words, and Iran testing missiles isn't breaking the deal we have with them according to our own president. While Iran was being counterproductive and unhelpful, rash escalation is not the right answer to this.

tularetom

(23,664 posts)
51. Yeah, let's nuke 'em right fucking now!!
Thu Mar 10, 2016, 12:41 PM
Mar 2016

She has absolutely no clue what's behind this, does she?

And no desire to find out. She's just itching to start a war and rake in some more of that nice green AIPAC cash.

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