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Calista241

(5,586 posts)
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 11:46 AM Mar 2016

Wolves slaughter 19 elk in 'sport killing'

Source: CNN

In what appears to be a case of "sport killing," a pack of wolves slaughtered a herd of elk in one night, Wyoming wildlife officials said Friday.

Nineteen elk, mostly calves, were found dead several days ago at a feeding ground near Bondurant, a town southeast of Jackson, said John Lund of the Wyoming Game and Fish Department. A contractor delivering feed to the herd discovered the dead animals.
Lund said wildlife officials are concerned because wolves usually eat what they kill or come back later to feed.

There are about 1,100 elk in the area, he said, and about 7% of the population has been lost to wolves this winter.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/03/25/us/wyoming-wolf-pack-elk-slaughter/index.html



Had no idea this kind of thing happened.
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Wolves slaughter 19 elk in 'sport killing' (Original Post) Calista241 Mar 2016 OP
Must have been those Frat Wolves. nt valerief Mar 2016 #1
Yes, it does. Ranchers have the same experience. Sometimes with packs of dogs, too. Yo_Mama Mar 2016 #2
Before wolves were reintroduced pscot Mar 2016 #5
Yes, and the article I read said it worked - that the elk moved higher and the vegetation regrew Yo_Mama Mar 2016 #6
Isn't that what wolves are supposed be doing? pscot Mar 2016 #3
I've seen domesticated animals do this. fasttense Mar 2016 #4
Foxes do it too. Bad Dog Mar 2016 #7
Interesting article. yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #10
Start shooting... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #23
I'm guessing climb a tree greymouse Mar 2016 #30
The can climb as long as they get their paws around it snooper2 Mar 2016 #43
The week following katrina I volunteered for a four week stint with the Red Cross...... Old Vet Mar 2016 #35
Damn, that's very very sad in so many ways yourpaljoey Mar 2016 #36
The wild dogs I saw usually staid away from people fasttense Mar 2016 #41
The Wyoming Game and Fish Department confirmed it was wolves. Change has come Mar 2016 #16
Wolves carry out warfare too. OneCrazyDiamond Mar 2016 #8
Yes they do hunt elk too. nt bemildred Mar 2016 #9
Just to be clear, the article is not about the Minnesota Timberwolves. Thor_MN Mar 2016 #11
... awoke_in_2003 Mar 2016 #24
:-( Odin2005 Mar 2016 #26
I'm pretty sure this is exactly how at least 4 bad TV mini-series have started. Socal31 Mar 2016 #12
I call BS Wibly Mar 2016 #13
Actually most predators exhibit this behavior. Codeine Mar 2016 #18
I don't rely on Mowat or Disney Wibly Mar 2016 #42
We've been BSed by our DOI/BLM 'management' many times. They will fence off water and claim wildlife Sunlei Mar 2016 #34
Agreed 1000% nt Doremus Mar 2016 #49
Echo all the above sentiments swilton Mar 2016 #14
Yes, this kind of behavior is well-documented hatrack Mar 2016 #15
Sounds like pups are coming of age and learning to hunt. Spitfire of ATJ Mar 2016 #17
That is the healthiest possible explanation for the behavior. senz Mar 2016 #20
The group instinct to attack and destroy the outsider is not limited to animals. senz Mar 2016 #19
Weasels are well-known for sport killing, as any chicken owner can attest NickB79 Mar 2016 #21
Why are they feeding wild elk inside the park in the first place? NickB79 Mar 2016 #22
Domestic cats do this all the time, they will hunt for fun even though they are not hungry. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #25
my cat loves to catch things greymouse Mar 2016 #32
Nature does not "aim for balance", that is a New Age woo-woo myth. Odin2005 Mar 2016 #38
The natural way is boom and bust cycles Drahthaardogs Mar 2016 #40
Why drop feed for 'wild' elk? They aren't wild if they're getting fed. And feeding elk KittyWampus Mar 2016 #27
Humans have a worse track record PeoViejo Mar 2016 #28
Yep, this happens. Brickbat Mar 2016 #29
Making the claim that these wolves killed merely for sport... C Moon Mar 2016 #31
were the 19 calves fenced in? why didn't they run off? and why were paid "contractors" feeding them. Sunlei Mar 2016 #33
Feeding them? TexasBushwhacker Mar 2016 #39
LOL, wildlife will be fine without you watching it on the intertubes snooper2 Mar 2016 #44
Americans have a right to observe our Federal Gov. at work. If they're fencing in wildlife & feeding Sunlei Mar 2016 #45
strap a go-pro to your chest and follow them around then LOL snooper2 Mar 2016 #47
We've been through this 'camera thing'with the Federal DOI for several years now. Sunlei Mar 2016 #48
Definition of anthropomorphism DiverDave Mar 2016 #37
probably local dogs, they'll chase and rip up an entire group. Sunlei Mar 2016 #46

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
2. Yes, it does. Ranchers have the same experience. Sometimes with packs of dogs, too.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:01 PM
Mar 2016

It's sad, but natural, if you know what I mean.

Wolves will come through and kill a herd of sheep - more than they can possibly eat. So will a pack of wild dogs. The predation instinct is the predation instinct.

I also read somewhere that wolves were reintroduced in some areas with the hope of thinning elk herds, which were overgrazing in some areas.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
5. Before wolves were reintroduced
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:13 PM
Mar 2016

the elk congregated along stream beds and hung out there, stripping vegetation and trampling the banks. They can't afford to do that now because of the wolves.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
6. Yes, and the article I read said it worked - that the elk moved higher and the vegetation regrew
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:16 PM
Mar 2016

It also said that maybe it worked too well, and that the herd was threatened.

I know I read that the major losses the ranchers see are calves, but if a high proportion of calves get killed each year that could wreak havoc on a population.

pscot

(21,024 posts)
3. Isn't that what wolves are supposed be doing?
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

Culling the herd? Establishing a feeding site that pulls in many elk is just setting the table for the predators.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
4. I've seen domesticated animals do this.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:08 PM
Mar 2016

Dogs get in with a herd of small sheep and kill them all for fun. Cats get in with a flock of chickens and kill them all. I never knew wild animals would do this. It's definitely not a survival mechanism. In fact, it is anti-survival because killing for sport and leaving your prey will wipe out your herds very, very quickly (as man has discovered). Are they sure the wolves did it or is there a pack of stray dogs on the lose? This really sounds more like domesticated animal behavior.

When we first moved to the country, there were packs of wild dogs killing livestock left and right. Now that the coyotes have moved in, the former domesticated wild dogs and cats have gone and the mass slaughters have stopped. We still lose one or two lambs or chickens a year but not 5 to 20 at a time anymore.

The more I read about this the more I'm convinced that the wild wolf did NOT do this. Most wolves eat 90% of the carcass. Something happened here. Here's a link that goes in-depth about wolf kills and eating http://isleroyalewolf.org/node/42

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
7. Foxes do it too.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:25 PM
Mar 2016

A fox will go crazy in a chicken coop. They're animals though, shooting elephants for sport by humans is inexcusable.

yourpaljoey

(2,166 posts)
10. Interesting article.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:54 PM
Mar 2016

I have never encountered a pack of wild dogs.
What do you do when you encounter them?

Old Vet

(2,001 posts)
35. The week following katrina I volunteered for a four week stint with the Red Cross......
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:30 AM
Mar 2016

Broke my heart for both residents and pets, I was assigned to the 9th ward (Martin Luther King Projects) Where police were killing packs of dogs on sight. Not to mention all the pets I saw still chained to leashes where they all drowned to death. I ran into several wild packs who had the taste for people, I have several pictures of these packs I will follow this post with, After the water level became manageable these packs of dogs were going house to house looking for the dead, Where I guess they very quickly got the taste foe decaying meat. Finding people and pets usually stuck in street drains.

 

fasttense

(17,301 posts)
41. The wild dogs I saw usually staid away from people
Tue Mar 29, 2016, 09:15 AM
Mar 2016

Usually I saw them on the road going somewhere. I once saw them attacking another dog and I yelled at them through the window of my car. They almost casually moved away from my car and the poor dog the pack was attacking had a chance to get away. We would discover their attacks the next morning. The wild dogs around here were not so aggressive towards people, just towards livestock.

The coyotes on the other hand are less afraid of humans and you can sometimes suddenly come upon them on your front porch.

 

Thor_MN

(11,843 posts)
11. Just to be clear, the article is not about the Minnesota Timberwolves.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 12:56 PM
Mar 2016

They haven't slaughtered anyone for years...

Wibly

(613 posts)
13. I call BS
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:25 PM
Mar 2016

This was not a wolf kill unless something very toxic was fed to those wolves ahead of time.
This is propaganda against wolves.
There is not history of wolves ever doing such a thing.

 

Codeine

(25,586 posts)
18. Actually most predators exhibit this behavior.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 03:32 PM
Mar 2016

Last edited Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:35 PM - Edit history (1)

The predation instinct is strong and isn't by necessity hunger-driven. A large number of prey animals gathered together can trigger a killing frenzy in any predator, wolves included.

The natural world of killers and the killed isn't always as Farley Mowat/Walt Disney as we would like to believe.

Wibly

(613 posts)
42. I don't rely on Mowat or Disney
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 04:05 AM
Mar 2016

And have lived in the bush much of my life, in wolf country. I have never heard of wolves, or any other land mammal doing anything like this.
Would you please provide me with a link or a source that demonstrates this is commonplace behavior?

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
34. We've been BSed by our DOI/BLM 'management' many times. They will fence off water and claim wildlife
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 08:21 AM
Mar 2016

will die from drought.

They shouldn't be "contractor feeding" wildlife or any 'livestock' and leave the animals, especially a group of calves? unprotected from town dogs or coyotes or 'wolves'.

 

swilton

(5,069 posts)
14. Echo all the above sentiments
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 01:41 PM
Mar 2016

To sum up not in any particular order of precedence:

1. Could be propaganda against wolves - the fact that the story is so blatant, I'm suspicious
2. Not unusual for wolves or for domestic animals -both have predator instincts: have known of dogs to exhibit this behavior and why I would keep dogs in the house and not allowed outside to their own devices (sheepherding dogs come to mind).

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
20. That is the healthiest possible explanation for the behavior.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:03 PM
Mar 2016

It sounds plausible, and I hope it's true.

 

senz

(11,945 posts)
19. The group instinct to attack and destroy the outsider is not limited to animals.
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:00 PM
Mar 2016

People have done this sort of thing throughout history, not always in the form of physical killing, but similar dynamics are at play.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
21. Weasels are well-known for sport killing, as any chicken owner can attest
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 04:12 PM
Mar 2016

I've spoken to other hobby farmers who have lost 10-20 chickens in one night due to a single, excited weasel or ferret getting into the coop.

And I've personally seen what a pack of free-ranging dogs can do when they get into a cattle pen. Nothing short of a bullet will get a determined dog off your cow's throat when it gets the blood lust going.

greymouse

(872 posts)
32. my cat loves to catch things
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:31 AM
Mar 2016

things being those squishy balls I toss for him. His reflexes are amazing. He picks balls right out of the air.

As to the wolves, I don't know what they're doing, but they are after all, wolves. They aren't living on Purina Wolf Chow, and I can't imagine why anyone would think they wouldn't be going after prey. Nature aims for balance. It's humans who have screwed the planet up.

Odin2005

(53,521 posts)
38. Nature does not "aim for balance", that is a New Age woo-woo myth.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:18 PM
Mar 2016

Life itself has caused catastrophe numerous times in earth's history.

Drahthaardogs

(6,843 posts)
40. The natural way is boom and bust cycles
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:54 PM
Mar 2016

It happens in Alaska. Problem in the lower 48 is fractured habitats which mean wolves need to be managed as well

 

KittyWampus

(55,894 posts)
27. Why drop feed for 'wild' elk? They aren't wild if they're getting fed. And feeding elk
Sat Mar 26, 2016, 05:05 PM
Mar 2016

in one spot seems like creating an attractive nuisance.

C Moon

(12,208 posts)
31. Making the claim that these wolves killed merely for sport...
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 03:12 AM
Mar 2016

validates that sport hunting is pointless, and selfish.
http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/explainer/2009/11/do_wolves_kill_for_sport.html
I would guess, someone(s) is itching to start killing wolves for sport again.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
33. were the 19 calves fenced in? why didn't they run off? and why were paid "contractors" feeding them.
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 07:42 AM
Mar 2016

Have asked the DOI/BLM for over 10 years to use 24/7 cameras and let cameras run live on their website for the public to watch over our wildlife.

People love those live cams- someone from the general public would have noticed.

TexasBushwhacker

(20,142 posts)
39. Feeding them?
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 01:34 PM
Mar 2016

Well my no so dear departed boss had someone feed the dear on his land so that he and his buddies could shoot them.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
45. Americans have a right to observe our Federal Gov. at work. If they're fencing in wildlife & feeding
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:01 AM
Mar 2016

there should be 24/7 cameras anyway because fenced in yearlings-wild or domestic aren't ever safe alone.

 

snooper2

(30,151 posts)
47. strap a go-pro to your chest and follow them around then LOL
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:03 AM
Mar 2016

I'm pretty sure they know what they are doing

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
48. We've been through this 'camera thing'with the Federal DOI for several years now.
Thu Mar 31, 2016, 11:19 AM
Mar 2016

They're very similar to why our Police hate cameras.

DiverDave

(4,886 posts)
37. Definition of anthropomorphism
Sun Mar 27, 2016, 10:19 AM
Mar 2016

an interpretation of what is not human or personal in terms of human or personal characteristics 
So "sport killing" is just sensationalism.
Animals do what animals do.

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