BREAKING: AP finds Clinton reached number of delegates needed to clinch the Democratic nominatiion

[Drunken Irishman]

Source: AP



Read more: https://twitter.com/AP_Politics/status/739975278064246784

[msongs]

1. since when has twitter been a legitimate news source, even for good news? nt

[George II]

2. The Associated Press is the source. Highly respected!

[George II]

5. Here you all go:

https://interactives.ap.org/2016/delegate-tracker/

[bjobotts]

138. Respected.They claimed last week they were going to make this claim. I hope it goes Rovian

"The votes will flip...just wait...just wait"

[George II]

139. Anybody that didn't know last week that this moment was coming sometime early this week....

....hasn't been paying attention to the news.

[OwlinAZ]

212. We have a media much like Stalinist Russia's.

[KPN]

233. That's true.

But it doesn't justify what just happened and has been going on re: MSM during this primary, but especially this blatantly transparent piece of mass manipulation.

Corporations win people lose once again.

It's wrong.

[OwlinAZ]

204. AP has not been a respected news source for many years.

It was back in the 60s when I was in high school, along with UPI

[rhett o rick]

268. LOL. The AP is a tool of the Rich and Powerful.

[George II]

272. .

[AikidoSoul]

281. The wealthiest banking family in the world owns Reuters -- that would be the Rothchilds

and they just gave HRC a $100,000 a plate fundraiser. Wonder what they expect in return. Gee, Hillary looked soooo happy at that fundraiser.... I just wanted to smack the crap out of her.

Gee, I wonder why Reuters would print such a fabrication.

Almost any educated person knows that the SuperDelegates aren't counted in full until the convention.

This is the dirtiest election process I've ever seen in my 73 years on this failing planet.

[George II]

285. Do you have any details of this "$100,000 a plate fundraiser"? I'm sure it wasn't for HRC....

....that would be illegal and, if held offshore probably would be double illegal.

[BlueCaliDem]

301. Thank you for smothering that rumor before it got out of hand, George II. eom

[MADem]

33. On the official AP POLITICS twitter feed? ALWAYS. It's not just some schmuck-it's Associated Press

Here, a digital copy of the same information, with more words:

http://bigstory.ap.org/4c9c850385c84b12ad5b85fda49743f9

[Hortensis]

47. Thanks. So little Puerto Rico put HRC over the top.

Thank you Puerto Ricans! Our first female Democratic (presumptive) nominee.

Tomorrow is something to look forward to anyway.

[murielm99]

156. Let Puerto Rico have their pride.

They deserve it. This is an historic moment, and they helped us achieve it.

[shireen]

244. i wonder it they should be a state

That country needs help ... they'd do better economically as a state. I wonder how the locals feel about it.

[PasadenaTrudy]

37. Since always... n/t

[msanthrope]

77. Denial. The first stage. nt

[forest444]

134. Case in point: those holding on to the idea that Ms. Inevitable won't be indicted.

It's imminent, and the Democratic Party will not run with someone under federal criminal indictment on the top of the ticket (or the bottom, frankly).

Granted: this doesn't necessarily mean Bernie will be the nominee, since Biden could very well be asked to step in à la 1968 (a scary thought in itself). But do you really think Hillary - no matter what her merits - be allowed to run while under a cloud of indictment?

[Ineeda]

261. Your unimpeachable source?

Rumor or wishful thinking doesn't count. So, seeing how you apparently know that "it's imminent", you must have a source for that "knowledge."
on edit: It's not allowed to claim your source as 'I've heard' or 'people say' or 'I read it online.' That Trump's forte.

[billhicks76]

162. We Aren't In Denial That The Election IS Unfair and Rigged...We Accept That

Just let people vote...it's almost over. Super Delegates do not count toward the # of pledged delegates needed to nominate until the convention. Whats so hard to understand? If you're so confident that the super delegates will remain with Clinton then whats the problem? It's Clintonites that claim we need no debating and everyone knows everyones position on everything already. I see no hurry to expedite anything especially since Clintonites always say rules are rules. Bernie will either concede or he wont. He wants his positions to be addressed and thats whats called conviction and principles...something the Clintons rarely show as their stances follow the way th wind blows with corporate interests and military contractor interests always first. As a Bernie supporter it doesnt matter to me what happens with the super delegates other than they should vote with their constituents. If they believe they have to hold out instead as to who's more electable then they should obviously all vote for Bernie because he has a MUCH, MUCH better chance of beating Donald. If Hillary gets indicted then they will switch anyway and Im not worried about it. If she doesnt get indicted then it wont matter. Seems very simple. Bernie shouldn't let any Clinton activists bully him into laying down though...he should only do it if he feels its best.

[KPN]

237. Yes, their reasoning is so circuitous!

This is getting depressing for me. This primary has been a real eye opener for this 65 yr old 44 yr registered Democrat who has always voted D up and down the ticket. May not happen this year (up anyway). No, let me rephrase that: won't happen this year. I am under almost no circumstances voting for Hillary. The exceptions: possibly if Bernie or Elizabeth Warren are on the ticket as VP. Can't see any other circumstances that would get me there however -- I'm just frigging disappointed and tired to death of the corporatist Democratic Party today.

[M_A]

273. I second this completely.

I see myself no longer a democrat once the 2016 convention is over. I can't stomach the DNC and it's "third-way" obsession any longer.

[MidwestTech]

276. whats the alternative?

Let Drumpf win?
I don't politically like Hillary but she's a damn sight better than the alternative.
literally whats the WORST that will happen under HRC than the BEST that could happen under trump?

Hold your nose in november if you have to but we CAN NOT AFFORD ANOTHER GOP ADMIN!

YES Hillary is basically a 60's republican... but that' still a mega fuckton better than an actual republican today.

what was done was bullshit of the highest caliber... but we still need to support our nominee on november 4th, even if you need to throw up and shower afterwards, we CAN NOT allow the GOP to run this country ever again!

[KPN]

299. Two years ago I attended a debate among candidates for my District's Congressional seat.

A Republican, a pretty progressive Democrat, and a Green Party candidate. I was so impressed with the Green Party candidate that I approached him to ask him why he wasn't trying to work and run within the Democratic Party. He was about my age. He looked at me for a second (I suppose now that he was framing his response as opposed to offending me by saying something like "are you naive?&quot and said because the Party would never support him as a candidate for Congress. He then proceeded to explain how he'd been active as a precinct member for many years before finally realizing that the Party was moving right not left and was never going to change as long as money drove the system. He basically said what Bernie says: the system is corrupt -- and to be successful within the Party system, you have to be a "team player" and "play ball". He said it was obvious to him that the Democratic Party was in bed with corporations and money, controlled by what he called Republican lights, and was no longer committed to truly progressive principles. So he left and joined the Green Party.

This primary season has, as I said, been a real eye opener. The Party is clearly corrupt as is our government. They have been purchased and are controlled by "money". Bernie's campaign has done a wonderful job at making this abundantly clear to anyone who has been paying attention.

So you asked, what is the alternative? I ask: do you truly care about your country? I am convinced that holding my nose and voting simply enables the status quo. What is the status quo? Well, it's really not very good. Sure, we make progress on social issues, to a degree, but we continue to trend to the right on economic and electoral issues. The Democratic Party simply is not committed to making the kind of fundamental changes that we so desperately need today. "Slowing" the flow to the right is not fixing the problem; and I'm frankly not convinced that Hillary would even slow the flow to the right when it comes to key economic issues. (I won't even bring up the problems of imperialism here.)

The alternative for me is to support real change. I will either be voting for Jill Stein (Green Party) after doing some more research, or writing Bernie in this fall.

Am I concerned about Trump? Yes, but my adult children have given me broader perspective on that and the SCOTUS issue. Actually, they have convinced me by example that voting for Hillary is the wrong thing to do. You see, one of them, my second child is gay. Another, my daughter, the youngest is a female. They are quite adamant that "equal rights" will be meaningless in 20 years if we don't break down the corporate hold on America's governance to actually fix our most important problems now today: global warming, a divided world, and income inequality. So social issues that affect them personally in significant way are moot as they see it if we don't make the significant changes today. My third child, the oldest, is a bit more radical. He just says we gotta break the system to fix it; a Trump presidency would do that.

[Agnosticsherbet]

3. Here is a link to the AP release.

http://www.seattletimes.com/nation-world/nation-politics/ap-count-clinton-has-delegates-to-win-democratic-nomination/

[kayakjohnny]

4. AP finds a lot of shit that isn't true.

Thanks for adding to that.

[MADem]

35. Looks like they aren't alone. This is a done deal.

They even surveyed the supers.

She's got this.

http://bigstory.ap.org/4c9c850385c84b12ad5b85fda49743f9

[BlueMTexpat]

189. From your link ...

The former secretary of state, New York senator and first lady reached the 2,383 delegates needed to become the presumptive Democratic nominee on Monday with a decisive weekend victory in Puerto Rico and a burst of last-minute support from superdelegates. Those are party officials and officeholders, many of them eager to wrap up the primary amid preference polls showing her in a tightening race with presumptive GOP nominee Donald Trump.

It is likely Bernie's most recent claims that he would take his case to the SDs and that there would be a contested convention - whatever happened in the primaries - that precipitated the "burst of last-minute support" or otherwise uncommitted SDs would not have declared their preference until after the primaries had run their course, IMO.

One cannot allow one's supporters to harass SDs constantly and then grandstand in the press about winning them over - especially when one is significantly behind both in pledged delegates and the popular vote. The way to win SDs is to have built relations with them over the years and/or to meet with them one-on-one in an effort to persuade them - or both. These tactics are exactly what Hillary has done so effectively as well as to work her tail off for pledged delegates EVERYWHERE.

We can thank Bernie for having real Democrats show an unprecedented amount of unified support for the presumptive nominee even before the convention.

In any event ...

[Laser102]

208. I didn't think about that. Makes sense. Thanks.

[Politicub]

235. I feel dismissed by Sanders supporters you feel

dismissed by Hillary's supporters. Your facts are better than mine. Mine are better than yours. Rinse, wash, repeat.

I wouldn't go as far to say abused, though. It dilutes the word and debases the true victims of real abuse.

[MADem]

300. I do agree that the attempts to bully and threaten the SDs were bad optics at a minimum.

And they well may have invoked the "F YEW" response in some of them.

I know, were I a SD, that I would be decidedly disinclined to vote for anyone whose supporters called me up and threatened me, my family and my possessions. It's just not a smart move to do that kind of thing.

[Califonz]

222. Hillary voters can stay home now!

What a time-saver! Thanks, AP!

[BumRushDaShow]

6. WaPO just put up a breaking news banner about this.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/national/ap-count-clinton-has-delegates-to-win-democratic-nomination/2016/06/06/3f80fd42-2c46-11e6-b9d5-3c3063f8332c_story.html

[kayakjohnny]

7. Uh oh....

"Now the presumptive nominee, she will formally accept her party’s nomination in July at the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia."


Why doesn't she just do that right now, tonight?

[George II]

11. She'll do something like that tomorrow night in Brooklyn.

[billhicks76]

165. The Country Is Finally United

In disappointment. Guess that's something.

[George II]

220. Those who are disappointed have options.

[KPN]

239. Yes, we do.

[OwlinAZ]

214. In Brooklyn - where Sen. Sanders was born and grew up.

Typical low life Clinton stunt. Those two are a real stitch.

[George II]

219. Brooklyn is where here HEADQUARTERS are, which she established LONG before....

....Sanders ever thought about becoming a candidate.

[OwlinAZ]

259. headquarters of what exactly?

and when?

[George II]

263. You ask a lot of questions - as if it really makes a difference. It's her campaign headquarters.

She opened it very early in 2015 (earliest date of any reports about it was the first week in April)

Sanders didn't become a candidate until the last week of May. His headquarters is more than 250 miles away. And he hasn't lived in Brooklyn for almost 50 years.

[OwlinAZ]

297. Yes and she is responsible for the low life tenor of that campaign

[thesquanderer]

8. Here's the official AP story

Last edited Mon Jun 6, 2016, 11:19 PM - Edit history (1)

http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_2016_ELECTION_CLINTON_WINS_NOMINATION

oddly, I think it's actually better for Bernie that this is happening today, rather than at 8 pm eastern tomorrow.

eta: OTOH, this could also be floated as an excuse for disappointing results for Hillary at the polls.

[AzDar]

9. ...

[renate]

10. congratulations to her

I'm sorry my guy didn't get the nomination, but it was always a long shot, and he accomplished a lot.

And while I'm disappointed, I think it's pretty cool that the next President is going to be a woman!

[Hekate]

18. Thank you, Renate

[40RatRod]

27. Renate is a class act!

Thank you!

[MFM008]

52. Renate

[LiberalFighter]

56. It should never be about one person. Yes, President is an important position.

There are components that all need to be pursued. Focus on a winning platform. Elect the President. Elect Senators to gain back control of the Senate. Elect Representatives to reduce their majority. Elect local and state candidates.

Sometimes a President won't be on board with a particular issue unless those in Congress either push him or he sees he has the support. It is all interconnected.

If Sanders' supporters are going to get anything accomplished everyone needs to follow through. Sanders can't just drop out because he lost. He needs to become part of the campaign along with his supporters.

I remember elections with candidates I supported and they dropped out and I either latched on to someone else or maybe waited to see what was happening. Bill Clinton was not my first choice back in 1992. I didn't have much interest in Carter.

I have some sympathy with you for not having your candidate win. I am glad you find it cool about a woman as President. It may be more than that that will be cool. But most important is the support she will get and that she continues to hear what is needed and for her to strive hard for it. We all know that she will take the job seriously unlike the other side.

[pnwmom]

64. He did accomplish a lot -- and he'll go back to a different Senate starting next January,

hopefully, and he'll have that much more power to bring about change.

[Sparkly]

89. We're all in it together, renate!

Thanks for your post!

[FSogol]

93. +1, well said. n/t

[wisteria]

113. He has accomplished a lot.

I have always been a Clinton supporter, but I could always understand his passion. I know we will continue to here good things about him. And, I am also excited that we have the first woman ever to be a major party candidate for President.

[murielm99]

160. Thank you. You are wonderful.

I felt much like you when I got behind Obama and worked hard for him when he won his first Presidential election. I had supported Hillary, but I did everything to get Obama elected after he won our party's nomination.

I knew some Dean supporters like you. They were great, too.

We need you. Trump could destroy civilization as we know it. We all need to work to see that he never gets near the White House.

[BlueMTexpat]

191. +1! eom

[BlueMTexpat]

190. Very classy and

thank you!

Bernie brought a lot of enthusiasm into the race and helped to fine-tune Hillary for what will likely be an all-out no-holds-barred GE.

[Laser102]

211. Thank you. That's very nice of you to say. I'm sorry your candidate didn't win.

[beachbum bob]

249. you are a person of class and should be among the examples that bernie and his people

should look up to. Many thanks

[riversedge]

12. whow. Yes, I am surprised at this moment.

[texasleo]

13. @Skinner

[chapdrum]

14. AP will always find for the friends of the corporate state.

[Skittles]

150. remember to take your ball with you

[Hekate]

15. All In with Chris Hayes announced it and cited AP a few minutes ago...

For those who have a problem with this news, take it up with the AP and NBC News.

Woot!

[jalan48]

16. Oh good. Now California won't matter anyway.

[KPN]

240. That was the point.

The machine is just too big for a little guy like Bernie, maybe for any FDR Democrat to carry the day. They will make it so one way or the other. So, get the message out that she has been declared the presumptive nominee, and Bernie winning CA won't matter.

How am I ever going to vote in a way that I see as simply enabling a corrupt system?

[Cryptoad]

17. Whoaaa,,,,,,,

got my Happy Dance Shoes tuned up and a Qt of MD 20/20 chilled!

[stonecutter357]

19. K&R!

[restorefreedom]

20. fuck the corporate media supporting her crooked campaign.

couldn't let the californians vote without trying to dampen it.

i smell a big bernie win

#neverhillary
#bernieorbust
#fuckunity

[Chicago1980]

86. Your sentiment is quite foolish and you're pretty much proving you were never a progressive.

Sore looserdom doesn't shine well.

It's not about you.

[restorefreedom]

118. its about the country that hillary and the dnc are screwing. nt

[Chicago1980]

137. Not really...

They're by no means perfect, but whining and throwing away everything that's been worked for because you didn't get what you wanted is a shame.

[restorefreedom]

151. who is throwing anything away? nt

[wisteria]

122. The Clinton campaign is not happy about how the press announced this before the primaries were over

Tomorrow.

[restorefreedom]

131. then they should have exerted the influence we know they have.

i believe if hillary had made crystal clear her wishes, they would have respected it.

the msm has been working for her all along, they would have done as she asked.

[rhett o rick]

270. Where did you get that idea? The billionaires called in some favors.

[youceyec]

199. She hit

delegate count. Same as Obama did when he was declared nominee by media.. Why the double standard from you?

[restorefreedom]

234. i never touted obama at this point either.

its not won till it's won.

and it ain't won. not then, not now.

[MyNameGoesHere]

265. Wow that's a lot of hashtags you have there

too bad hashtags don't vote, nor it seems do Sanders supporters

[onehandle]

21. I knew this almost eight years ago.

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[Deadshot]

22. As a Bernie supporter, I'm glad this is finally over.

Now I hope Bernie supporters unite behind Hillary to destroy Trump.

[mac56]

23. As a Bernie supporter, I don't believe a Bernie supporter would post this.

[Deadshot]

36. Bernie turned out to be another politician running on his ego.

He's been a disappointment in the last several weeks. And I don't think he's that strong on foreign policy.

I like him, but he's become a broken record.

[99th_Monkey]

43. So please stop calling yourself a "Bernie supporter". You're not. n/t

[Cryptoad]

53. u the offical Benie Supporter gatekeeper?

[99th_Monkey]

58. No, deadshot is, by their own lame words.

You've heard of "damned by faint praise"?

I'm sick of posers saying they are Bernie supporters, when they clearly are not.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

140. You TELL 'em, 99th_Monkey!

Acknowledging that more voters for Hillary? Pah! What does a majority matter, when we're talking REVOLUTION!!!1!!!1!!!

PUUURGE the RANKS of BERNIE SUPPORTERS of the WEAK! Anyone who is not 150% for Bernie. 150%? NO. I mean 99999999999999999% OR MORE!!!!!1!

Purge them, until only the true believers remain! And then PURGE THEM too, because they aren't posting enough VOMIT GIFS!!!

Until only you remain.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Number23]

186. Have you noticed that these guys do that crap ALL OF THE TIME?? Any time anyone says they are

a Sanders supporter and tries to say ANYTHING other than "yes, he's 6 jillion delegates down but he can still win this!!11" these folks jump all over the person's ass and scream that they are not really a Sanders supporter.

It's like these people absolutely refuse to believe that someone can support Sanders but still recognize his flaws or see the short comings of his campaign. And what really cracks me up is that somehow, they believe that crawling all over the asses of their fellow if more pragmatic Sanders supporters somehow actually helps things or makes them look good. I've never seen anything like it.

[ConservativeDemocrat]

194. Yeah, I know. And the strange thing is, it's not like HRC supporters are concern trolls

I've seen no actual effort to pretend to be a Sanders supporter from someone who is not. In fact, most of the articles from Republican sources have come from the extremists on the Sanders side.

That's why, I really do make a differentiation between Sanders supporters and these Bernie Bro types. Look, believe me. I know what it is to have an opinion that's not popular. I get it. But in all seriousness, some of these people sound to me more like people at a revival meeting, with Sanders coming off as some prosperity gospel preacher. It's more faith than logic with them at this point. That, and tribalism.

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[Silver_Witch]

228. Then why didnt ththey jump on Renate above??

Because she was a Bernie supporter who is happy about having a woman running for President. I will tell you u why. Because Renate didn't say something snotty about Bernie while be his alleged supporter. She just stated her feelings.

We all can smell a non supporter a mile away! And this is there typical post.

[Number23]

284. "We all can smell a non supporter a mile away!" Quite the lofty goal and achievement!

And considering how many Sanders supporters have been turned off Sanders because of the unhinged behavior of OTHER Sanders supporters, I'm sure you have lots and lots of lots of people to "smell" now.

[elmac]

97. I'm excited

[Deadshot]

158. Maybe I should private message you before I decide who I should support.

After all, you're the arbiter of my opinions.

[99th_Monkey]

161. Not a bad idea actually

Your words not mine:

Bernie turned out to be another politician running on his ego.
He's been a disappointment ... I don't think he's that strong on foreign policy.

With "supporters" like you, well ...

[Deadshot]

288. You mean from a politician who wants the superdelegates to change their minds

and support him for President, ignoring the will of the people? He wants to do the very thing that he's been campaigning against.

[Califonz]

275. Don't worry, it's just the usual "I have over 10,000 posts" snobbery common here.

[lewebley3]

267. How would you know: Sanders has been a disappointment for the last month

[OwlinAZ]

298. In what way?

He doesn't waver.He doesn't lie. He doesn't expect others to lie for him unlike Hillary.
I find that reassuring.

[mac56]

46. Poser.

[840high]

87. You don't speak for this

Bernie supporter.

[Deadshot]

159. I never said I did.

[LiberalLovinLug]

171. You are confusing ego with a passion for democratic soclialist ideals

and the amazing transformation that American could have had.

Of course he wanted to win. Hillary wants to win even more, she's been at it longer. If you call Bernie and egomaniac then what is Clinton? or Trump?

My gawd candidates have to have some kind of confidence in themselves. They are running for President. Every athlete, or comedian, or stage actor, has to have some kind of ego. I can accept that in Hillary or Bernie. It does make it hard to believe that you ever did understand just what Sanders was bringing to the table.

[chapdrum]

55. Nor do I.

Hillary the Savior.

[Plucketeer]

25. Trump's going to do himself in.

We need to be concerned with who the GOP will stand in his place. And who we'll have to counter that selection once the indictment's announced.

Edit to add......... LOL! What a crazy finale! The two front runners forced out due to unrelated legal shenanigans!

[40RatRod]

28. Deadshot is another class act!!!

[Robbins]

70. sorry

clinton is just as bad as trump.no real bernie supporter would ever support clinton.

[MidwestTech]

277. no she isn't, not by a long shot

I'm mad as hell the dnc pulled this super delegate bullshit before the convention, but there you are.

please consider the worst WORST thing that could happen under hillary.... now think about the BEST thing that could happen under trump.

it's no contest, hillary for all her many political faults, is still a better, thinking, feeling human being.

more than once I have felt she was being presidential.

liking Hillary isn't required. But consider how much epically worse a trump presidency would be

[riversedge]

126. OH, how lovely. Thank you so much.

[BlueMTexpat]

192. Thank you, Deadshot!

You are another class act.

[Tragl1]

24. PUMA

[passiveporcupine]

26. Sorry, can't count the supers yet.

And you can't even claim presumptive until the primaries are over.

[Skinner]

29. Someone needs to explain to AP how it works.

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[MADem]

38. LOL...

[alfredo]

41. AP had to release the news. If they hadn't, Reuters or others would.

[Surya Gayatri]

67. ...

[AntiBank]

125. cannot wait to see those smiles when she rams TPP and more empiric wars down our throats

or Trumpf does.



I have never seen more self-delusion.

[Doctor Jack]

31. Why are the rules different today than in 2008?

Obama declared presumptive nominee after 4.5 superdelegates endorse him, Clinton has yet to concede. Notice how Montana and a few other states didn't have results in. Were you telling everyone in 2008 to stop declaring Obama the nominee and that Clinton needs to stay in until the supers have voted at the convention?

2008, Sanders endorses Obama before Clinton conceded.

Sanders' endorsement of Obama came before Clinton had officially exited the 2008 presidential race.

"I plan to play a very active role," Sanders said of endorsing Obama, according to an interview in the June 5, 2008 Burlington Free Press. "I will do everything I can to see that he is elected president."

But the newspaper added, "Sanders said he held off supporting either of the Democrats [Obama or Clinton] because he has made it a custom not to support any Democrat for the presidential nomination until the party had chosen its nominee."

Obama clinched the Democratic nomination on June 3, 2008.

Clinton did not formally end her presidential campaign until June 7, 2008.

http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/2016-election/08-sanders-endorsed-obama-clinton-formally-exited-race-n586556

[Gothmog]

39. You are wrong as to how the DNC treats super delegates

[Tarc]

54. This is how it worked in 2008 and 2004 as well. Hadn't you noticed?

[w4rma]

30. FBI. (nt)

[MisterP]

32. I encourage--no, BEG--the Clinton campaign to rub this in California's face

[LibDemAlways]

34. The fuckers aren't waiting until tomorrow. NBC just called

it too. They are so damn scared Bernie is going to blow her out of the water here in CA, they'll do anything to suppress the vote. This is absolute bullshit, and the blowback will be brutal.

[alfredo]

44. No they were scared CBS, ABC, or FOX would beat them to the punch.

[Greywing]

57. Which did ... NBC was last and obviously did not want to announce it

[alfredo]

148. I wish the AP had held off.

They have competitors, that would have loved to get the scoop

[Doctor Jack]

45. Watch out for the brutal blowback everyone!

[elmac]

78. I love it

[OwlinAZ]

215. love those kitties

[murielm99]

157. Oooh!

Everyone is so scared of Bernie, waving his arms and pointing his finger, sleeping at veterans' events! Bernie is not blowing anyone out of anything. He needs to concede and go home, right fucking now!

[99th_Monkey]

40. A tawdry underhanded attempt to suppress Sanders voters ONE DAY before California

Gee thanks M$M. Oh, and fuck you too.

[alfredo]

49. AP is the one that broke the news.

if the MSM. hadn't reported, we'd be hearing "In a Fox News exclusive."

[rhett o rick]

269. And once again AP shows their true colors. A tool of the Establishment.

[alfredo]

279. It's their job to report on what they found. I don't like timing, but it was them or someone else.

[rhett o rick]

282. Until the vote it's just a prediction. As it is, it was done to influence the election.

We have the worst most corrupt election system of all modern nations and it's intentional. It won't be fixed with out a revolution.

[alfredo]

291. l hope this is the last cycle for SD's.

It's going to harder for Bernie to sway the Supers after tonight.

California
With 16% in, Hillary has a substantial lead. If she wins California, Bernie's job gets much harder.


I don't think the AP is in cahoots with Hillary. AP cares about AP. They were handed a great scoop from PR and they ran with it.

[Retrograde]

84. This Clinton-supporting Californian is peeved

I don't think it was done deliberately to surpress the Sanders vote - although I think it will have that effect to some extent. I think the MSM is more concerned with ad $$$ and bragging rights than it is about elections that don't take place in the Eastern time zone.

Realistically, by this point Clinton was the likely nominee anyway. I was interested in seeing how my fellow Californians voted, whether the Sanders rallies and GOTV efforts had a significant effect.

[LibDemAlways]

90. It's only going to piss Bernie

voters like me off and bring them out in droves . California won't let Bernie down.

[anigbrowl]

103. Yawn

Do whatever, this household's still voting for Clinton tomorrow even though it's sorta redundant and you should certainly go cast your vote in line with your beliefs...but spare us all the sturm und drang. These tantrums are pretty sad to watch.

[LibDemAlways]

109. Welcome to ignore. You are wasting your keypad.

[anigbrowl]

117. I can't hear you over the sound of you pounding the F5 key

[Skittles]

203. OMG

the DRAMA!

[desmiller]

176. Seeing you accepting this bullshit is even sadder. No integrity. No honor. Typical.

NAUGHTY LIST YOU GO!!!

[alfredo]

292. Hillary wasn't happy with the news story. It could hurt turnout.

[Enthusiast]

121. Precisely.

[wisteria]

124. It could work both ways. Clinton is not happy about this either,

Nor are her supporters.

[avaistheone1]

168. From your lips to God's ears.

[mcar]

42. K&R

[kadaholo]

48. This News Has Motivated me to...

...send another contribution to Bernie! Go California and other states voting tomorrow!

[Live and Learn]

175. +1000 nt

[Cryptoad]

51. While there is still time for Bern to end this Race with some,,,

dignity ... Bern needs to reach out to his supports and help thru this transition!

[King_Klonopin]

302. What do they get in return ? nt

[ProudProgressiveNow]

60. +1000 nt

[DesertRat]

61. Woohoo!

[LiberalElite]

62. Party Unity My Ass - I WILL NOT GO ALONG WITH THIRD-WORLD DICTATORSHIP CRAP nt

[ConservativeDemocrat]

155. I guess you should be happy we're not voting for Chávez-loving Bernie then

- C.D. Proud Member of the Reality Based Community

[JohnnyRingo]

170. Exaggerate much?

[MirrorAshes]

63. Congratulations to our future Madame President! (nt)

[Gene Debs]

73. Maybe if Trump is feeling magnanimous he'll find a spot for Hillary in his administration.

[onehandle]

65. Clinton hits ‘magic number’ of delegates to clinch nomination (NBC Calls Primary)

To win the nomination, a candidate must secure a majority of all delegates, or 2,383. But 15 percent of the total delegate pool is made up of superdelegates — current and former elected officials and party activists who aren’t bound to vote for the candidate selected by voters in their home state’s primary.
Many — but not all — of the Democratic superdelegates have publicly declared their support for either Clinton or her rival, Sen. Bernie Sanders of Vermont.

Clinton’s win in the Puerto Rico primary — where 60 unpledged delegates were at stake — pushed her total, including hundreds of superdelegates, beyond 2,383.

Clinton was widely expected to reach the 2,383 threshold on Tuesday, when six states hold their nominating contests on one of the final primary nights of the race.

http://www.msnbc.com/msnbc/clinton-hits-magic-number-delegates-clinch-nomination

NBC says that they phoned superdelegates.

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NBC has now followed AP in calling the election. Other news networks are following suit.

[Daniel537]

66. No thanks. I'll be giving my vote to Jill Stein this year

I wouldn't have voted for Hillary in 2008, and I won't start now. Neocons will never have my vote.

[MyNameGoesHere]

91. How did Stein get on the Democratic ticket?

And why isn't anyone else supporting this Democrat Stein on a website that promotes voting for Democrats? It seems odd I have not hear about this Democrat Stein.

[BootinUp]

68. Its a formality, She had this race won for months.

But people should still vote if they want to express their opinion on the candidates.

[Festivito]

69. AP. Shouldn't this be posted in the Creative Speculation (Group)?

AP tends to be a little overly right wing at times. They don't talk about their method in this -- at all.

[rollin74]

71. K & R

time to focus on defeating Trump

[Surya Gayatri]

72. Hill, YEEEESSSSSSSSS! Massive K & R!

[BlueMTexpat]

193. + a million or so!

I presumed and piggy-backed on all your good work!

[me b zola]

74. The fuck she has

[msanthrope]

75. The fuck she did. nt

[Gene Debs]

76. Her own people must be expecting her to get her ass handed to her in california, as hard as the

MSM is pushing this.

[dhill926]

99. sometimes, news is just news....

as a Cali voter, I'm still very interested in how things shake out tomorrow...not buying in to conspiracy theories...

[Xolodno]

79. I suspect this will be downplayed....

...until California. Just to give the state and a statement. Becoming the nominee because of Puerto Rico doesn't have the punch. Becoming the nominee because of California, hits a bit harder.

[SusanLarson]

80. Not

Until the votes are cast they are basing it on intentions which can change at any time. So no she is not the nominee.

[Herman4747]

81. AND NOW THE BIG SHIFT TO THE RIGHT...

After all, she's a "moderate" don't you know?

[ancianita]

82. Great. More power to her. Onward and upward.

[JackRiddler]

83. This is going to look very bad for HRC tomorrow.

[stonecutter357]

85. K&R!

[Little Tich]

88. I thought that the super delegates hadn't voted yet? n/t

[OwlinAZ]

209. They havent.. More Hillary team lies.

[SansACause]

92. A historic night!

This is wonderful! Go Hill, go!

[FairWinds]

94. Why is this not news?

http://www.ibtimes.com/political-capital/state-department-blocks-release-hillary-clinton-era-tpp-emails-until-after

[840high]

100. It is - all over other sites.

[SusanLarson]

95. She does not have 2383 delegates, she is not the nominee.

No Clinton is not the nominee no matter what the AP claims. They counted super delegates. She would be the nominee if she had 2,383 pledged delegates, she has 1,812. Super Delegates have not cast their votes, and will not do so until the convention; and until they do, they do not count.

I strongly suspect that the DNC knows Clinton is about to be stomped in California, and this is an attempt to discourage turnout. Afterall, why waste time voting if it is already decided

[tarheelsunc]

101. Hope telling yourself that makes you feel better. eom

[SusanLarson]

102. Nope

Knowing that people like you, are gonna give us President Trump; and the howls you will make about people like me who will not vote for her after she loses the election will be enough satisfaction. We told you from the very start, and you did not listen. 7.6 million Sanders supporters will not vote for her no matter what. Couple that with the Democratic Party running the Republican Antichrist which will result in a record turnout for them. You deserve everything you are gonna get.

[tarheelsunc]

115. I plan to vote for the candidate opposing Trump, and you admit that you won't.

So it sounds to me if we ended up with a President Trump, people like YOU would be to blame. Maybe that just makes too much sense though.

[SusanLarson]

129. Not gonna fall for Bill Clinton's scheme

Nope i Said from the moment she entered the race I would not support her no matter what. I am going stick to that. This is exactly why Bill Clinton spoke to Trump in a late night phone call a few weeks before he entered the race. I am not gonna fall for his scheme

Former president Bill Clinton had a private telephone conversation in late spring with Donald Trump at the same time that the billionaire investor and reality-television star was nearing a decision to run for the White House, according to associates of both men.

Four Trump allies and one Clinton associate familiar with the exchange said that Clinton encouraged Trump’s efforts to play a larger role in the Republican Party and offered his own views of the political landscape.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/bill-clinton-called-donald-trump-ahead-of-republicans-2016-launch/2015/08/05/e2b30bb8-3ae3-11e5-b3ac-8a79bc44e5e2_story.html

[KCDem]

130. I am so tired of hearing that!

This is a democracy, right? If Clinton loses based on my one vote on in Texas, I might feel bad. But I also have teenage kids and teach high school. If you think a Hilary win will be good for democrats and America, you are delusional beyond belief

[leftofcool]

253. I assume you have contacted all 7.6 million Sanders supporters to ask them?

You do realize that the latest poll shows 70% of Sanders supporters say they will vote for Hillary? I expect that percentage to go up after she clinches the nomination. Take your satisfaction and go elsewhere.

[SusanLarson]

262. Seen several polls of Sanders supporters some with large number of respondents.

No but I have seen the polls and extrapolated out it totals 7.6 million based on Sanders vote total. Half a million voters would likely based on recent presidential elections be enough to cost Clinton the election. She cannot and will not win. Nominating her means a President Trump.

[Zorro]

106. Watch out AP

I smell a lawsuit abrewin'.

[lunamagica]

178. The DNC had nothing to do with it

[vercetti2021]

96. See ya

Goodbye Democratic party. I'll remain an independent until the Democratic party returns to its progressive roots. Which will be never. Goodluck with Clinton. She will need it.

[sulphurdunn]

98. Sad and scary.

Also, bullshit. The nomination will be decided at the convention, not by an AP twitter posting.

[AgingAmerican]

104. Translation: internals point to Sanders slaughtering her in California

ANd since their "Bernie controls voting in Puerto Rico" lie fell apart, now they do this...

[wisteria]

120. She had nothing to do with this call on the nomination today.

She wants to continue to win the primaries. And, Even though before this call the race was close, she would of won. Now, no one can know what the true outcome would of been and whether this call will keep people from voting tomorrow.

[840high]

105. Supers have not voted yet.

[SansACause]

107. Historic night!

One of those "Where were you...?" moments. So proud to be a Democrat!

[raindaddy]

108. Total Crap!

We knew they were going to pull this BS.. Chris Mathews let the cat out of the bag a couple days ago.... They would count the super delegates who can't vote until the convention and declare Hillary the winner...

Clinton's pollsters must have not liked what they were seeing in CA and they wanted to save the empress the embarrassment of losing the most populist state in the US..

[PoliticalMalcontent]

110. She (likely) won't officially be the nominee until the convention. Sorry guys.

Counting the intent of superdelegates is fine. We know what they are going to do, but she isn't officially the nominee until the convention.

I'd expect Sanders to be there. It's about influencing the party platform. I know most people don't understand that, and I'd just get pissed trying to explain it, so I won't.

I'm fine with Clinton being the nominee. This fight was determined a long time ago. I'll vote my conscience.

On society... Think bigger, people. Do better for yourselves and others. We are capable of so much more, yet we constrain ourselves into little boxes.

[Wibly]

111. Voter Suppression at its Artful Finest

The entire purpose of this article is to discourage Sanders supporters from turning out on Tuesday.
Clinton has clinched nothing. The superdelegates do not vote until the convention.
Do not be duped by this tactic. Shame on the Associated Press.

[Fast Walker 52]

144. exactly-- this report is such bullshit, the timing couldn't be more fishy

disgusting

[lunamagica]

179. If this is what it take to stop them, then then their support for Sanders was really weak

[Jester Messiah]

112. Well fuck that. n/t

[jimmydwight]

114. Voter turnout in California will be light

because of this "news". I think Bernie was all set to take California until this. Might as well let Trump take over.

[ancianita]

119. Welcome to DU. Enjoy your stay. Please proceed.

[840high]

141. That's why it was done.

[lunamagica]

180. If they don't go ro vote over his, their support was never real

[humbled_opinion]

116. As a presumptive nominee

I truly hope everyone here will agree it is best to get this FBI probe done and over with prior to her becoming the actual nominee, i.e. if she were indicted before the convention she would simply bail out and Bernie would be the nominee. However, if she is actually nominated and gets indicted after that, than she probably won't drop out and it will just be a huge nutty scandal and spectacle and will result in the GE loss no matter how bad trump is.

In other words can we please get the final word on this from FBI and Justice before all the celebrating....

[AZ Lib]

123. Oh the arrogance!

The timing of this "announcement" during a huge Bernie rally and the night before a Sanders probable win is pure sleaze!
They are just threw butane on an already healthy fire and divided the party even more with this BS!

[AntiBank]

127. yep

[wisteria]

128. The Clinton campaign nor the Democratic Party had anything to do with this call.

[raindaddy]

142. So Hillary and DWS will be coming out with a statement shortly?

[lunamagica]

182. Hillary did, and really downplayed the news

[Maedhros]

132. So now the circle is truly complete.

We've seen the DNC collude with the Hillary Campaign to undermine the democratic process.

Now we're seeing the media collude with the Hillary Campaign the undermine the democratic process.

All done to thwart the most liberal and progressive candidate and to prop up the candidate with the closest, strongest ties to the corporate empire that we all claim to oppose.

Congratulations, Democrats, you have shown your true colors - and they aren't very Democratic (or democratic).

[AZ Lib]

136. Yes

This whole election has been a well choreographed hijack from the get go!

[840high]

143. Yes.

[raindaddy]

146. Hillary has already lost the trust of the majority of Americans...

This isn't going to win over the millions of Sanders supporters...

[lunamagica]

184. She already has more votes -millions more- than anyone running

[Democat]

195. You sound like a Trump supporter, not a Sanders supporter

If you support Trump, DU doesn't care what you think.

[raindaddy]

226. I'm a Sanders Supporter and an FDR populist Democrat....

The only thing about Hillary Clinton that I support is she not Trump....

DU doesn't need your help expressing what it thinks...

[Democat]

227. This place is overrun with pro-Trump trolls

I'm here to support the Democrat running against Trump.

Anyone who thinks America would be better off with Trump doesn't belong at DU.

[raindaddy]

230. There's still a primary going on......

the candidate running against Trump won't be decided until the convention.

Looks to me like there's also a whole lot of pissed off Sanders supporters that represent the "U" in Democratic Underground..
There's nothing underground about a media owned by a handful of billionaires and their candidate of choice.....

[OwlinAZ]

293. and Hillary trolls

[lunamagica]

183. The Hillary camp is uhappy with this

[BooScout]

133. Wheeeeeeeeee!

[KamaAina]

135. So AP is running the Dem convention now?

Funny how they throw this out there the night before CA.

[Fast Walker 52]

147. it stinks to high heaven

maybe they sensed a Bernie win and were trying to dampen him showing

[JDPriestly]

145. So does this mean that the media has seceded the rest of America from California, New Mexico, New

Jersey, et al.

Because this should not be possible.

The conservative states voted first, and now we in California are left out of meaningful voting if you believe the Mainstream media.

I have lived in several countries and never felt like I was not wanted by my own. But now I do.

This should not be possible. There is something wrong with a system when conservative states' votes are counted before the most liberal state in the Union gets to vote. Something very wrong.

[Fast Walker 52]

149. it stinks big time

I smell a rat...

[Iwillnevergiveup]

153. Totally agree, JDPriestly

This is nothing short of corruption, but in my heart of hearts, I believe that it will only make California (and other states) more motivated than ever to get out and VOTE! There's plenty of on-the-ground activity...somewhere between 10:00 p.m. and midnight, my 90 unit complex got blanketed with Bernie door hangers and again today late afternoon.

[notadmblnd]

152. I'm sure the Trump campaign is celebratng tonight also.

[LastLiberal in PalmSprings]

154. When the hell are we Californians going to get to make a difference?

I get to vote tomorrow, but so what? We've got the largest population, but so what? All we are is a cash cow for the politicians to tap into.

I'm in favor of holding all the Democratic primaries/caucuses on the same day.

[OwlinAZ]

260. Anything would be better,

more accurate and fairer than the hodge-podge we have now. it is next to worthless

[OwlinAZ]

296. with the same rules.

The divide, conquer and confuse works so well for the political class, though. And the corporate media can milk the attention of the electorate with cheap political commentary for literally years.

[McKim]

163. What a Cheap Trick to Supress Votes in Cali

What a cheap trick to supress Sanders voters in the California primary. I will never vote for Hillary. This clinches it!

[lunamagica]

185. She had nothing to do with it

[OwlinAZ]

295. You are kidding aren't you?

The Clintons are famous cheaters and poo flingers. Their supporters seem to have just jumped out of the bureau drawer.
Recall what they did to Howard Dean? And he ends up kissing their keisters. Just amazing.

[ybbor]

164. I am truly worried about the future of our nation

I haven't felt this shitty since W beat Kerry. She will do nothing to improve my life. This night totally sucks! I know none of you give a shit, but I could fucking care less.

The transition to our nation being an oligarchy is now complete.

FUCK!

[RogerM]

166. Clinton 51 Bernie 37

2016 Democratic Presidential Nomination IBD/TIPP Clinton 51, Sanders 37 Clinton +14

Does this matter? Of course not. It is rigged *end sarcasm*

http://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/latest_polls/elections/

[Ccarmona]

167. The Late Mayor Richard Daley

Is smiling up from Hell as he sees the way the corporate media and the DNC conspired to anoint HRC the nominee.

[ffr]

169. Here's to helping her tear Drumpf apart in the coming election

AND

To giving Bernie Sanders a supermajority in the Senate, so he can pass liberal bills.

[Wabbajack_]

172. I don't care about the Super Delegates

She hasn't clinched real delegates yet. I don't see how she''ll fail to do so but she hasn't yet.

[Lordquinton]

173. See you at the convention!

[YOHABLO]

174. This whole political process takes so damn long .. I'm actually ready to move on.. who ever.

[Democat]

196. If Sanders endorses Clinton, will you help them both defeat Trump?

Sanders is not going to allow a President Trump and neither should you.

[OwlinAZ]

210. I wouldn't vote for Clinton ... ever

many thousands will not.
Trump is self destructing.
A corporatocracy is what we have. Enjoy

[Democat]

224. Pro-Trump trolls enjoy your stay

DU rules are changing soon.

[orleans]

187. why bother voting on tuesday? n/t

[Number23]

188. This thread needs to be printed out and sent to a political science class that loves a challenge

A political science/psychology class that loves a challenge would be even better.

Oh, the screaming and the howls! The only thing funnier than the howling over something that should have been obvious that it was going to happen TWO MONTHS AGO are the folks who somehow believe that Sanders will win California. He won't but even if he did, it would make no difference whatsoever.

[Surya Gayatri]

198. A university course in Political Science 101 would be helpful to a great many Berners...

Did they even do a basic Civics class in high school?

[OwlinAZ]

213. Nothing wrong with the Berners. They are the educated Americans.

[joshcryer]

217. Social media will only be interesting to historians...

...in so much as how it created and nurtured narcissistic sycophantic echo chambers.

It's why, after several months, I have hundreds and hundreds of bookmarks of people on this very site saying Trump is going to win. That defines Trump completely and utterly. A narcissist surrounded by sycophants.

And Trump's campaign? An implosion waiting to happen. A series of implosions that will repeat over and over and over again until even a small percentage of the core 30% of the racist base will likely not even vote for him because they don't want to be associated with such a failure.

[Number23]

283. And what's really funny is the people that dwell in THIS echo chamber but still scream about how

"unfair" DU was to Sanders. And that somehow this chamber isn't echo-y enough and they want to go to a "Radical" site that is even more of an unabashed, freaking chamber of echos.

I have tons of bookmarks too. Of Sanders supporters crapping all over Black Lives Matter and other black organizations/people and causes. And I'm sure it's a coincidence of the highest order that the ones who slimed BLM the loudest are also the ones who scream "stop calling me or Sanders a RACIST!!!111" every time anyone here even so much as tries to discuss the importance of race in this primary/election.

Between Trump's racism, sexism and the scrutiny given his business dealings, I'm just waiting for the implosion. And you know it's coming.

[felix_numinous]

197. Everyone vote vote vote

If they were confident of a win they would not have the need to call it early. Spread the word!! Don't let anyone tell Democrats not to vote!!!

[Feeling the Bern]

200. SDs don't vote until July 25th

[are.you.sure]

201. History Being Made, Yet Historical Effect Will Be Minimal

Congratulations to Hillary Rodham Clinton, president in the making, impendind Democratic Party presidential nominee, impending 45th president of the United States and first ever female president in American history!

May the Sanders and Clinton camps now align to help Americans across this great nation turn this nation solidly blue by making the case to voters that ultimately wins every open elected office from local towns and counties all the way to the White House on Election Day!

United We Stand, Divided We Fall!

***

However, let us not make believe that the US Senate will change its ways.

The US Senate has for decades deployed an operational rule known as a filibuster that is a constitutionally authorized operational tactic which prevents a simple majority of senators from passing legislation and filling federal judicial and executive agency vacancies in instances where the express written language of the US Constitution has authorized a simple majority of senators to do so, as intended by the founding fathers.

The US Senate has thus created a legal power that only a supermajority of the senators can overrule or change during any given congress.

Even a sitting president of the US has no legal standing to challenge the US Senate's operational filibuster rule even when he (or she) is harmed by being denied by the US Senate the right carry out his or her presidential duties as deliniated in the US Constitution and by legislation enacted by Congress which has in the first place created the positions to be filled by this constitutional process.

The US Senate's constitutional right to decide the rules by which it operates also has no limits and it was not predicated on existing within political party controls in the US Constitution.

Today the US Senate rules can establish that 60 senators make a filibuster-proof majority, but what if in the next Congress the rule is changed to require 65 senators to make a filibuster-proof majority or the instances permitting a filibuster are expanded?

The US Senate rules allow political party controls over committees and create a political party majority and minority apparatus which are clearly not deliniated in the US Constitution.

Instead of 100 US Senators freely choosing amongst themselves who shall chair and be members of any given US Senate committee, political parties are operationally granted rights of majority and minority control over each committee that do not actually derive from the US Constitution itself except that the US Constitution authorizes senators in the US Senate to set the rules of the US Senate.

When each Congress commences, senators vote the rules by which they agree to abide and it is by the setting of these rules that senators agree to relinquish their constitutional freedom to independently assemble into majorities and minorities on committees and instead agree to political party controls over these committees by redefining majority and minority to mean political party majority and political party minority, and then institutionalizing political party controls over the composition of senators on these committees.

The US Constitution clearly delineates when more than a simple majority of senators are required to pass legislation or fill executive vacancies, and it does not delineate, imply, or offer as an alternative that changes to US Senate rules can change those instances.

To the contrary, a constitutional ammendment should be needed to change those instances!

Majority and minorities in the US Senate in the US Constitution are devoid of any deliniation of status to political parties and are instead intended for the majorities and minorities created by independent senators as elected by the states freely choosing to assemble with other senators on any given issue before or committee in the US Senate.

The US Constitution is clear in what it does not say!

US Senate rules that alter constitutional rules should be unconstitutional unless the US Constitution is ammended.

By imposing political party controls via US Senate rules upon the operations of the US Senate, each senator's freedom to assemble as he or she may prefer with other senators of a like mind on any issue are subverted and defeated entirely, yet the senators agree in Congress after Congress to do this over and over again!

Today, nearly every bill in the US Senate requires a supermajority of the US Senate to vote in favor of it in order to proceed to either conference with the House of Representatives or legislation that a president can sign.

Use of a US Senate filibuster rule subverts the will of the states, the residents of the states who nowadays elect these senators, and the US Constitution itself, and imposes extraconstitutional conditions upon the operations of the US Senate that are nearly insurmountable in achieving independent consensus among senators free from political party influence or control.

The US Constitution is devoid of any delineation of any political party controls senators shall be subject to in order to form a majority or minority.

With a President Hillary Rodham Clinton the political party majority will again have voluntarilly relinquished its majority powers by voting into existence senate operational rules which empower the political party minority with the right to insist that any business of the people advance only on its terms or they shall withold their minority consent and deny the majority by use of a senate filibuster rule requiring a supermajority to proceed!

It is political party majorities which result in political party minorities that require the mitigation of majority political party rule by use of a filibuster rule, and the US Constitution itself does not require or advocate political parties to exercise such majority and minority controls on the members of the US Senate, instead it is the rules by which the senators choose to operate that such political party majority and minorities come into existence and thus create the need for solutions such as filibuster rules to give a minority political party a say in conducting the business of the US Senate.

A President Hillary Rodham Clinton will merely be at the mercy of the US Senate which shall continue to exert powers far beyond any delineated in the US Constitution when it continues to pretend that the words majority and minority in the US Constitution mean political party majority and political party minority and that a filibuster rule is needed to prevent a minority political party in the US Senate from having no say in the business of the senate.

If the US Senate shall continue to pretend that the majority and minority delineated in the US Constitution are not a majority and minority of independent senators free to assemble as they choose and free from political party influence and control, then the president is not actually able to do more than appease the political parties exercising control via rules in the US Senate in order to carry out presidential duties.

Until the US Supreme Court rules that the US Senate's present and past use of filibuster rules is unconstitutional and that majority and minority as delineated in the US Constitution references to the US Senate do not mean political party majority and political party minority and that senators while having the constitutional right to set the rules of operation of the US Senate do not have the right to set rules that transfer their individual freedom to assemble and to self determination to political parties, the Congress shall grow less and less representative of the intents of the founding fathers and grow more and more into a vacuum into which our experiment with representative republican democracy (not political parties, but concepts) shall disappear.

***

Sorry for typos, typed and submitted on a smartphone.

[King_Klonopin]

202. What if Sanders actually wins California today, despite the AP preemptive call ?

Wouldn't a win by Sanders give the appearance of an undecided democratic party?
How could losing California be interpreted as anything but a vote of confidence for Clinton?

California is a huge state. I feel badly for the voters in that state, more than I do for the
two candidates, because their votes are being made irrelevant -- whether it is purposeful
or not.

Both possible explanations are credible:

1) Clinton had nothing to do with this. We all know that media outlets trip over
themselves in order to be the first one to call an election. Others may have made the call
on her behalf, without her approval, and against her druthers.

2) The Clintons called in a favor to suppress the vote in CA in order to prevent
ending the primary with an awful loss and the appearance of an undecided primary.
They are a formidable political force, and they are not above this sort of thing. This is
Politics, after all. She should be playing to win California -- not for a forfeit or a rain-out.

I am a Sanders voter. Although I hate to see him lose, a part of me hopes he loses California
in order to avoid all the ambiguity. If Clinton loses California, it will be an embarrassment --
especially now after the AP story. If Sanders wins, what would be the proper (not political)
response from Clinton ? If Sanders loses, is that enough evidence to call it a day and move
on already?

Oh crap!

[kadaholo]

218. Goooo....

... California!

[marble falls]

205. "If a Democratic primary candidate can win 59 percent of the Party’s “pledged” (primary- and caucus-

the primary is decided by pledged delegates; if a Democratic primary candidate fails to meet that threshold, they are considered by DNC electoral processes to be a weak front-runner and the nomination is finally decided, instead, by “superdelegates” — who can express support for a candidate at any time, but cannot commit themselves to anyone (i.e., cast a binding vote for any candidate) until the Democratic National Convention in July; superdelegates are unlike pledged delegates in this regard because, while pledged delegates also do not vote until the Party’s convention, they cannot change their votes from what their state’s voting results pledged them to be — though it has been argued by some that in fact they can change their votes at the Convention, with this argument most recently having been advanced by Hillary Rodham Clinton in 2008."

(http://www.huffingtonpost.com/seth-abramson/how-to-explain-the-sanders_b_10206250.html)

She does not have it clinched yet according to the DNC's rules.

[davidpdx]

206. All I can say is the party got what it deserves

Welcome TPP, XL Pipeline, deregulation of wall-street, lower taxes for the rich, a greater income gap, a freeze in the national minimum wage, more money laundering for campaigns, no relief for student loan debt, etc. etc.

[ybbor]

241. Exactly

I cannot believe that they don't see that as a terrible outcome that is sure to happen. This party has shifted so far right it is now wrong. It no longer represents me or my values.

Sad times indeed.

We need to form a new party as this one is broken and cannot be fixed.

[Javaman]

216. the devil is in the details.

they are including the super-delegates that aren't counted until the convention.

just more spin by the hillary supporters.

give it a rest.

in other news: it's obvious that the media is in the tank for hillary.

and it conveniently comes out on the eve of the California primary. this has desperation written all over it.

let the people vote, let them decide. It's really that easy. if you think your candidate it that good, then the voters will make her the choice.

this stuff really gets exhausting.

[zentrum]

221. This is so giving

......the finger to California voters.

Guess the Establishment really wants them to know what said Establishment thinks of them.

Message received.

Could there be any more disrespectful way to start to "unify" the party?

[OwlinAZ]

223. Hillbots and the corporate media frantically

try to block news of today's primary election.

[Democat]

225. Trump-bots

Trolling DU.

[Maeve]

231. I think the AP made a mistake

Not in the math, but in the timing.
First, it violates journalistic guidelines--report the news, don't become the news. Wanting to be first to report shouldn't be the overwhelming goal.
Second, it opens them to charges of attempting to manipulate the vote in California, NJ and other states voting today. I don't believe that is why they did it (first to report is probably the main thing), but this thread makes my point.
Third, the math would be more convincing had they waited--even a loss in California today could give her more than the 215 pledged delegates she needed to have the majority of those. Was it really too much to ask to wait 24 hours?
That said, congratulations, Hillary, and on to the White House! (for the record, I voted Bernie in the Ohio primary)

[TwilightZone]

250. "First--report the news"

Which is exactly what the AP did. Sitting on the news would be irresponsible.

[Maeve]

280. There we'll have to disagree

AP canvassed the SD's--they called them, to get the count.

Letting the primary go on without announcing the result of that work would have allowed the process to occur without inciting claims of "attempted voter suppression" that we've seen. The J-school ethics classes I remember would have argued that holding the story for 24 hours and folding the data into the primary vote numbers would have been more responsible in that it put the good of the people over the good of the news organization. There is nothing irresponsible about sitting on a story for a day, especially when releasing it sooner could affect the political process. Now, had it been a story concerning the ethics or behavior of one of the candidates, yes, it would need to get out before an election. But a primary vote count just before a major vote? No. Had she reached the magic number a week ago, that would have been fine, too, but the timing gives an appearance that I can't imagine a news organization wanting.
Do understand, I have no problem with the result--I just feel that AP inserted itself where it didn't have to go.

[MrMickeysMom]

232. What a great advocacy for the coronation!

Here's a cookie, AP! Good puppy!

[EdwardBernays]

236. She's made history

By being the least trusted most disliked Democratic nominee ever.

[KPN]

238. They couldn't have used a better picture of her highness.

It captures her smugness perfectly.

And if this post gets hidden for saying that, then DU has really gone off the rails to the dark side.

[RoccoR5955]

242. Hooray for the corporations!

They have won.
WE THE PEOPLE are now moot.
Corporations are now people, and have voted. Hilliary Clinton is the nominee.
Whether it be Drumpf or Clinton in the White House come 2017, it shall be a corporatist.
This completes the corporate coup of the United States of America.
Next up, revising the Declaration of Independence, to say WE THE CORPORATIONS!

[Highway61]

243. Uneven playing field from the beginning

Hillary Clinton Seized The Upper Hand Before Voting Started With Super Delegate Pledges of 440 back in February. EOM

[ConsiderThis_2016]

245. The record we set in 2008 worked so well... $$$

On April 10, 1912, the Titanic, largest ship afloat, left Southampton, England on her maiden voyage to New York City. The White Star Line had spared no expense in assuring her luxury. A legend even before she sailed, her passengers were a mixture of the world's wealthiest basking in the elegance of first class accommodations and immigrants packed into steerage.

She was touted as the safest ship ever built, so safe that she carried only 20 lifeboats - enough to provide accommodation for only half her 2,200 passengers and crew. This discrepancy rested on the belief that since the ship's construction made her "unsinkable," her lifeboats were necessary only to rescue survivors of other sinking ships. Additionally, lifeboats took up valuable deck space.

[SmittynMo]

246. It's pretty simple

THE AP is WRONG!!!!! July 25? Anyone listening?

[Eric J in MN]

247. The AP using anonymous sources to suppress the vote.

A rotten end to a rotten process of choosing a Democratic nominee.

We should end the Super Delegate system.

[TwilightZone]

251. Superdelegates aren't anonymous.

Lists are publicly available. Perhaps you should find one.

[Eric J in MN]

287. There are public lists of Super Delegates, but the AP conducted a secret survey of them. NT

NT

[ConsiderThis_2016]

248. Unintended consequences can be a bitch sometimes. Seems body parts are more important then the truth

What did the AP, Nate Silver and the others say about Michigan?

[matt819]

252. One small problem

AP is now walking that back. But mission accomplished. Voting in CA probably suppressed. We are living in very strNge times.

[Califonz]

286. Too bad so many people believe the propaganda.

[DCBob]

254. Congrats to our future Madam President!

[Wibly]

256. Yes, all the Clinton supporters can stay home today

Don't worry folks, she's already won, so you can stay home today in places like California and New Jersey.
You can skip the convention too!

[DCBob]

258. Actually I think most of them will show up to be part of an incredible historic event.

[Wibly]

264. If they do

They'll be disappointed because neither candidate has enough delegates to win the nomination before the convention.
This story is bogus, and a deliberately cynical attempt to subvert the vote, no matter what you tell yourself about history.

[DCBob]

266. She will not win the nomination today but she will be the presumptive nominee tonight.

That is not bogus... that is a fact.

[OwlinAZ]

294. The Madam has prevailed with the efforts of big corporations and low information voters.

[Wibly]

255. Good News

Clinton supporters, this means you don't have to vote in today's Primaries. She's already won, so stay home and relax. It's all good!

[13Dogs]

257. Used to be Respected

Screw the Associated Press for doing this before all voters had a chance to weigh in. They used to be respected, but now they're just another tool for the 1% to control the outcome to their liking. If I lived in California or the other states voting today, I would be ripshit at this move to suppress the vote. It's time for the 99% to show the ruling elite that they can't manipulate elections anymore. I'm hoping for the biggest turnout ever in those States, as a big middle finger to the 1%.

[billhicks76]

271. Greenwald Summed Up What These Out Of Touch Insiders And Media Moguls Hate To Admit

"This is the perfect symbolic ending to the Democratic Party primary. The nomination is consecrated by a media organization, on a day when nobody voted, based on secret discussions with anonymous establishment insiders and donors whose identity the media organization – incredibly – conceals. The decisive edifice of super-delegates is itself anti-democratic and inherently corrupt: designed to prevent actual voters from making choices that the party establishment dislikes. But for a party run by insiders and funded by corporate interests, it’s only fitting that their nomination process ends with such an ignominious, awkward and undemocratic sputter." --Glenn Greenwald

[mhatrw]

274. BREAKING: Establishment DESPERATELY wants to subvert democracy at all costs! nt

[merkins]

278. NEW YORK! this is happening now !

[ChiciB1]

289. That's One SMUG Look On Her Face! And To Me It Looks

so very deceptive and downright evil. JMHO! FEAR sells so well!

[tartan2]

290. the main stream media once again

lies! HRC has not won the nomination yet.