Hillary Clinton declares victory but Sanders vows to fight on

[newthinking]

Source: The Guardian

“Our vision will be the future of America. Our campaign from day one has understood some very basic points and that is, first we will not allow rightwing Republicans to control our government,” Sanders said.

“The American people in my view will never support a candidate whose major theme is bigotry, who insults Mexicans, who insults Muslims and women and African Americans. We will not allow Donald Trump to become president of the United States.”

“Our mission is more than just defeating Donald Trump - it is transforming our country,” he continued to loud cheers.

Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/live/2016/jun/07/california-new-jersey-primary-live-updates-clinton-sanders-trump

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In a fiery campaign speech; Bernie says this is about change and the movement and the campaign is taking it to Philadelphia.


Defiant Sanders vows to take battle to Democratic convention

http://www.pe.com/articles/clinton-805084-sanders-trump.html

Late Tuesday, a defiant Sanders vowed to continue his fight to the Democratic National Convention in Philadelphia.

Sanders took the stage in Santa Monica around 10:45 p.m. Tuesday and thanked his supporters for being part of a political revolution, noting he had won the votes of young people, saying they understood economic, racial and environmental justice.

Sanders fired up the crowd with talk of "our movement," saying "you all know it is more than Bernie. It is all of us together."

[Xipe Totec]

1. The Dream Shall Never Die. nt

[msongs]

2. amazing, one year and still giving the same speech. nt

[still_one]

8. It was his standard stump speech, and that is fine, but it sure wasn't a gracious speech, as

Hillary's was. Hillary complemented both Sanders and his supporters, which incidentally was cheered by the Clinton supporters listening.

When Sanders mentioned a "nice" phone call from Hillary, the Sanders supporters booed.

No class at all.

The facts are this, Hillary will have won the most pledged delegates, and the most votes when the primaries end on the 16th.

That means more people supported Hillary then Bernie.

[JDPriestly]

14. Sanders supporters have no obligation to be nice to Hillary.

Hillary has to win the support of Sanders supporters if she wants to be successful in November -- unless she plans to rely on cross-over Republican voters to win in the general election.

She might appeal to Republicans on the issues -- especially in foreign policy and on the economy -- more easily than she does to Bernie voters.

[still_one]

15. Perhaps it is that attitude why he isn't doing so well in California

[Wibly]

18. How's he not doing well?

Its 12:30 PST, almost. Only 50% of the California vote has been counted. Sanders is within single digit percentiles. How exactly is he "not doing so well"?
Also, perhaps the "attitude" the needs checking, or at least a second look, is yours. The poster said nothing containing any discernible "attitude". The poster simply asked a question based on Clinton's own record.

[still_one]

19. The large population areas in California are going with Hillary

http://www.cnn.com/election/primaries/states/ca/Dem

[merrily]

27. So it may seem

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280210073

https://kobi5.com/news/local-news/possible-voter-fraud-shadows-california-primary-28826/

http://www.gregpalast.com/placebo-ballots-stealing-california-bernie-using-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141480818

And studies show that voters tend to prefer to vote for the winning candidate. They feel it makes them seem right and smart. So, the timing of the AP announcement, on the heels of allegations of massive fraud in the Puerto Rico primary,* probably did damage Sanders, despite all the red herrings to the contrary.

http://caucus99percent.com/content/order-declare-hillary-victory-today-dnc-generates-puerto-rico-fraud-top-them-all

http://caucus99percent.com/content/what-happened-puerto-rico-democratic-primary-volunteer%E2%80%99s-open-letter

[McKim]

37. Maybe We are Not Making Nice Anymore

Maybe we are not making nice anymore. Too bad I flunked finishing school. This is how we stand up to bullies and election robbers.

[still_one]

39. yeah, you go with that. Hillary won because more Democrats voted for her

http://fivethirtyeight.com/features/hillary-clinton-clinches-democratic-nomination-according-to-ap/

you don't want to vote for her in the general election, that is your choice, but there will be plenty of Sanders supporters and others who will vote for her

[tomm2thumbs]

3. loved the passion of the crowd and the belief in the issues as paramount

that's what one calls HAVING PRINCIPLES

and standing by them at all cost!

[merrily]

4. As a Sanders volunteer and donor, I'm very happy Sanders is doing as he has long promised.

I'll support him until he passes the baton to another incorruptible politician, assuming he can find one.

[beastie boy]

7. Hey, I got just the person to pass the baton to.

Trump! He also calls himself incorruptible and principled.

[merrily]

9. Not quite the same as being in politics for 40 years with a net worth of under $200K

But I am not exactly stunned you did not discern the difference.

You must have been the Fifth Beastie Boy.

[tarheelsunc]

23. Based on your criteria...

I guess you'd be OK with Biden?

[merrily]

28. Is beastie boy your bestie?

[yuiyoshida]

12. tell me,

How do you live with all that hate in you?

[merrily]

29. It's a very unhealthy emotion.

[azurnoir]

6. Good

[avaistheone1]

10. I admire Bernie's commitment and fight.

His honesty and steadfastness are inspiring and I will continue to support him.

[beastie boy]

11. Bernie s such a low class sore loser!

He didn't even acknowledge the historical significance of Hillary"s victory!

[Wibly]

17. The reason is

She hasn't won yet.

And BTW, great method of winning over the Sanders delegations, by calling them and their leader "losers".
Hope you're not an example of the sort of diplomacy we can expect from Clinton and her crew.

[beastie boy]

35. I wrote off Bernie and his supporters a long time ago.

I have little hope they will do anything to get a Democrat elected.

I am amazed with Hillary's patience with them.

And she HAS won. By a wide margin.

[Geronimoe]

20. Hillary can not win the nomination without

the super delegates and they don't vote until July 25th.

Hillary claims she never lies however her claiming herself the nominee is a factual lie.

[beastie boy]

36. She claims herself a presumptive nominee, just like every rational person in the world claims

her to be.

Then, there are irrational people in this world. But that does not create in Hillary a sense of obligation, does it?

[Texano78704]

49. I hope that's a wager ...

'cause I'll take it. I'll even give you odds.

[liberalnarb]

40. If hes not accepting defeat, how can he accept her victory?

[beastie boy]

41. Well, I was being classy and was resisting a critique of the irrational.

But considering that Bernie can't bring himself to accept defeat, you have a very good point!

[JDPriestly]

13. The results announced tonight are not final in California.

Provisional ballots were handed out today in what seemed rather large numbers. I don't want to exaggerate, but I would guess that the results announced today will be changed in 21 days if and when the provisional ballots that were handed out rather generously today are counted.

We should follow the provisional ballot story carefully. I suspect that some, maybe many, voters in California were essentially disenfranchised today.

So much for Hillary's pompous words about the right to vote. When it comes to Republicans stealing votes in the South by gerrymandering and blatant voter suppression, Hillary is on top of it. But we had a problem today in California. I don't know how serious it was, but it was a problem. We shall see how Hillary responds to it.

[pnwmom]

21. It's not fair to blame Hillary because Bernie's GOTV effort wasn't very good

at reaching out and following up with the non-affiliated and young voters he was counting on.

Too bad he spent $600,000 of campaign money on his trip to Italy, and untold amounts on his giant rallies, instead of targeting his campaign funds on GOTV efforts in California.

[merrily]

31. Poor Hillary. Everything is so unfair to her!

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280210073

https://kobi5.com/news/local-news/possible-voter-fraud-shadows-california-primary-28826/

http://www.gregpalast.com/placebo-ballots-stealing-california-bernie-using-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141480818

And studies show that voters tend to prefer to vote for the winning candidate. They feel it makes them seem right and smart. So, the timing of the AP announcement, on the heels of allegations of massive fraud in the Puerto Rico primary, probably did damage Sanders, despite all the red herrings to the contrary.

[beastie boy]

43. "And studies show that voters tend to prefer to vote for the winning candidate."

A good reason to become a winning candidate, isn't it?

[merrily]

44. In my opinion, only if you can do it honestly. Apparently that doesn't bother many on DU, though, so

whatever.

[beastie boy]

45. Where is the honesty in "having a path to the nomination" a month ago?

And where is the honesty in crying "rigged" at every loss, only to be thrown out of courts with every legal challenge?

[Wibly]

16. Presume nothing

Jumping the Gun on due process is not a trait America needs in its next President.

[Petrushka]

22. Remember --->

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[pangaia]

26. I've played Petroushka numerous times.

great ballet..

[mercuryblues]

30. so you think

the SD are going to ignore that Clinton has won the most PD, most states, most committed SD and has 3 million more votes? You think the SD are going to overturn the will of the people? How does that fit into democracy?

Bernie has been trying to flip Hillary's SD for a while now and so far he has flipped ZERO. He has had a few that abandoned him, for Clinton. So in a sense Bernie is flipping delegate, just not the way he wants. There are not enough uncommitted SD to put Bernie even close to 2026, let alone 2385.

The pledged delegates haven't voted either, maybe he can get those to also flip?

[merrily]

32. Will of who now?

http://www.democraticunderground.com/1280210073

https://kobi5.com/news/local-news/possible-voter-fraud-shadows-california-primary-28826/

http://www.gregpalast.com/placebo-ballots-stealing-california-bernie-using-old-gop-vote-snatching-trick/

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10141480818

http://www.rollcall.com/news/politics/bernie-sanders-california-primary-lawsuit-registration

And studies show that voters tend to prefer to vote for the winning candidate. They feel it makes them seem right and smart. So, the timing of the AP announcement, on the heels of allegations of massive fraud in the Puerto Rico primary,* probably did damage Sanders, despite all the red herrings to the contrary.

http://caucus99percent.com/content/order-declare-hillary-victory-today-dnc-generates-puerto-rico-fraud-top-them-all

http://caucus99percent.com/content/what-happened-puerto-rico-democratic-primary-volunteer%E2%80%99s-open-letter

[mdbl]

24. Winner or not we need to keep the pressure on Hillary

so she leans to the left. We need to build a wall between her and Wall Street and the war profiteers. Otherwise, it's more of the same. She needs to stand up to Repuglican foolishness, not embrace it like Obama tried to do the first 6 years. If some of this can be accomplished, I won't feel so unfortunate with the election outcome. All this Rah Rah and Pomp does nothing. It's just a big party and most of us aren't invited after the election is over.

[Geronimoe]

34. You need to build a wall between her and her donors

that is not going to happen. She is very appreciative of those who fund her.

[kacekwl]

46. I agree , we need to keep Hillary

from just becoming another status quo democrat , this should be part of the "revolution" . I don't want what happened with Obama to be acceptable anymore. I will vote for Hillary because there is no other option . I am not a young person who everyone thinks are the only Bernie supporters but a 60 year-old man who is tired of going the better part of the last 15 years or so with no health insurance and a pile of medical bills that will never be paid . To me and my wife this was the most important issue why I supported Obama and now Bernie. If Hillary supporters read this please don't let her become who I and many others believe she will . This is the Democratic Underground let's make our nominee a democratic.

[Cryptoad]

25. Farther Proof that the Median IQ has dropped below 60!

[McKim]

38. 30 Years of Education Cuts Have Borne Fruit

It is amazing what 30 years of education cuts can do for a country!

[IronLionZion]

42. I'm still going to vote for Bernie next Tuesday in DC

and for Hillary in November.