Sanders, Clinton to meet Tuesday

[brooklynite]

Source: The Hill

Democratic presidential hopeful Bernie Sanders said early Sunday that he plans to meet Hillary Clinton, the party’s presumptive nominee, late Tuesday.

The independent Vermont senator told NBC’s “Meet the Press” that he will do everything he can to make sure presumptive Republican nominee Donald Trump is not elected president.”

“I will be meeting with Secretary Clinton on Tuesday evening, I believe,” he said. “And we will be chatting about her campaign.”

Read more: http://thehill.com/blogs/ballot-box/presidential-races/283172-sanders-clinton-to-meet-tuesday

[Bernardo de La Paz]

1. Very good news. . nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

2. I saw him on Meet the Press

He has demands for Hillary before he will decide to endorse her.

It is the first time I can recall a losing campaign demanding the winning campaign of taking on the losing campaign's platform.

It believe it is unwarranted arrogance. And, he seems to want it both ways. I have heard him say that he has no control over his supporters. And conversely, if his demands are not met, he will not assist the democrats.

Ironically, there is really very little difference between Hillary's stances and Sanders' rather it is about process. And, it has been determined by a multitude of independent experts, that Sanders' process will not make the changes that Hillary's will.

[Skink]

3. He shouldn't endorse her

It will be a short conversation and he'll say see you in Philly.

[Evergreen Emerald]

5. I think it does not matter who he supports

He has shown his true self, which appears to be not interested in the country, but rather extending the attention he is receiving by pretending he has power to wield over the democratic party.

It is time for the democrats to stop pretending he can hold them hostage.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

8. Please stop this divisive talk. You won. Get over it

Don't be a sore winner-man or woman, as the case may be.

[Chicago1980]

19. So a response to Evergreen Emerald about being decisive, but not to Skink?

Perhaps everyone should chill.

[BlueStreak]

36. Hillary needs Bernie more than Bernie needs Hillary

That is the simple reality, although so far that point seems to be beyond the grasp of the morons advising Hillary.

None of this has ever been about Bernie. It is about what is happening to our country, our democracy, our party, our way of life. This was evidenced in the Occupy movement. It has been shown in the Black Lives Matter movement. It showed in the Obama campaigns. And it showed again in Bernie's campaign -- and Trump's for that matter.

Millions of Americans see the system as rigged in favor of the rich and powerful. Millions of people see the middle class dream slipping away. Millions of people are concerned that their children and grandchildren will live in a world where their greatest aspiration is to be a consuming robot and to pay taxes mainly to feed a military system mainly engaged at protecting the incomes of gigantic multi-national corporations and their top executives.

Casting these concerns as "Bernie-lovers" or "Hillary-haters" is absolutely offensive, and I am damned sick of it. People taking that position completely miss the point. If Hillary is able to get elected, it will be a direct result of the support from these same gigantic multi-national interests and the media they control, not from a groundswell of democracy. Hillary isn't the worst person to be President (Trump may be). But our best hope with President Hillary is that the steady march toward the right-wing politics of these giant corporations may be slowed a little.

But here's the problem. BECAUSE this will not be a "groundswell" type of election, there will be no possibility for a change in the control of Congress. So even if Hillary wanted to be even a teeny bit progressive, she really can't get anything passed.

These are the reasons so many people have supported Sanders. It isn't about Bernie. It is about what is happening to our country.

Now we watch Hillary. Will she have the wisdom to actually engage the millions of people who are so very concerned about the issues Sanders has been talking about, or do they think they can win without the strong support of these millions of voters? This is a very simple political IQ test for Hillary and her campaign. So far, it looks like they are going to fail that test.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

44. +1. But Democrats really could take the Senate. More Republicans defending seats than Dems.

And the Democratic Party has an opportunity to make Ryan sweat for the House.

Not sure about your last sentence, though.

[BlueStreak]

51. 50 seats in the Senate gets you committee heads, that's all

That's something, but it is mostly a defensive position. Do get anything significant passed, you need 60 votes.

And making Ryan sweat may make us feel good, but doesn't change anything.

Basically this is a lost opportunity election. Our very best practical case is a right-leaning, corporate friendly President, an ineffective majority in the Senate, and the teabaggers still in control of the House. That's the best case, and that's what you get when one side fires up their base and the other side always looks for the safest, less confrontational path.

And leaving the Sanders/Clinton thing aside, Hillary is a step back to the older generation that oversaw the deconstruction of the Grest Society and the elimination of the American middle class. Let's hope that she chooses a dynamic young leader as VP who can at least give us a sliver of hope looking ahead to the 2020s.

[Wilms]

9. Actually, it's eating kittens that he's interested in.

You know it's true. Just come out and say it.

[Evergreen Emerald]

21. Only their eyeballs.

[FarPoint]

11. I don't trust Bernie....

He smiled his way into the Democratic Party just to run on our foundation....used us and then trashed us...so, I can't seem to muster up that leap of faith kind of trust yet...no matter what he agrees to with Hillary.

[Plucketeer]

24. How painful it must be

that someone pulled back the curtain on the establishment to reveal it's true colors. Someone who said "I don't need no stinking script to read from."

[FarPoint]

45. I feel no pain.....

Now that Hillary has the Nomination.

[Plucketeer]

60. You're "textbook"

Congratulations!

[FarPoint]

63. Well... maybe since you are a closed book yourself...

You can't seem to recognize a voter who just plain old likes and supports the Democratic Leadership.

[Plucketeer]

68. You're right about that

Blind allegiance is just that - blind. I'm proud of my vision ability.

[FarPoint]

70. I understand....you described that you have

Tunnel vision..... Okay.

[Plucketeer]

73. THAT'S

what you got from my reply? Enjoy yourself.

[FarPoint]

74. Thank you for your support.

[Plucketeer]

69. LOL

I'm not afraid to be the first one to stop clapping.

[Gene Debs]

25. You just described Hillary Clinton.

[swhisper1]

50. he definately discribed Hillary, stunningly correct

[Bernardo de La Paz]

4. Votes are power. Sanders got lots of votes. Would be arrogant to ignore him the way you advocate. nt

[Evergreen Emerald]

6. But, he said he has no control over his supporters

So, why would anything he says or does have any meaning? Would you change your vote if he endorses Hillary?

[Bernardo de La Paz]

7. I, and perhaps you in time, realize that his supporters LISTEN to him even if he doesnt CONTROL them

How do you know I didn't vote for Hillary? You don't know. You have no idea of who I might have voted for. You are making stuff up. Stop now.

[Evergreen Emerald]

10. I disagree with you.

He has spent his campaign dehumanizing Hillary. And they did listen, as evidenced by the constant ugly attacks. Once one is dehumanized it is difficult (say the experts) to undo that belief. And I believe that Sanders took advantage of the historical dehumanization of Hillary by the republicans, which they have done for decades.

I am sorry I jumped to the conclusion that you supported Sanders.

[FailureToCommunicate]

15. Sorry but this post is just bunk. "dehumanizing Hillary" was his whole campaign? Millions of

new, enthusiastic voters were hypnotized by Bernie The Dehumanizer ?

Right.

[Evergreen Emerald]

18. So, your angry attacks

on me are not acceptable. We can have a discussion. I am not calling you or your beliefs "bunk." You only need to look at DU for the past few months to see that what I am saying is rooted in evidence.

And, your statement first was that people LISTEN to him. Well, they did.

[FailureToCommunicate]

66. (MY angry attacks? I think you are maybe replying to the poster above, or...? )

[swhisper1]

17. Hillary de-humanized herself years ago with "bring them to heel"

So we have a candidate who will always suffer ugly attacks from both republicans and those she harms. It is a fact we have to live with, Three generations have heard about her flaws, real or conceived, it doesn't matter. None of her virtues have been heralded in that time, so what do you expect?

[Plucketeer]

26. Bernies performance was SO on-the-level

How does using one's OWN WORDS and RECORD make HIM the dehumanizer??? Bernie didn't force her hands on her votes, Bernie didn't twist her arm to instigate the YouTube evidenced flip-flops anyone can review for themselves. So just how is it that anyone but Hillary Clinton dehumanized Hillary Clinton?

However looney Trump is, his campaign is going to use THE SAME record (and much more of her record) to shred her. He's doing that already.

[BlueCaliDem]

29. No, it wasn't. It was hypocritical.

How does using one's OWN WORDS and RECORD make HIM the dehumanizer???

Neither Hillary Clinton's campaign nor her any of her surrogates did that to him, and it's an incontrovertible fact, Plucketeer, there's a vast treasure trove of scandal in Sanders' background to have crushed him and his reputation during the primaries. She never stooped that low, and she could've. Easily.

Sanders, on the other hand, was helping the other side with his misinformed attacks on the DNC, the Democratic Party, long-established Democrats, President Obama, and the Clintons.

You won't ever admit it publicly, but I'm certain you know - privately - that Sanders was treated with kid-gloves by the media, the GOP, the Republicans, the Teapublicans, and almost all Democrats. Yet despite that advantage, he still lost - badly. Fortunately, the majority of Americans saw through his faux-revolution and weren't buying.

[Plucketeer]

32. "kid gloves"

Wow! Let's continue your assumption that I'm the dutiful democrat dullard you've dressed me to be. I've got my DNC-issued blinders and ear plugs in place and so I've totally missed the kid gloves treatment you contend was so patronizingly extended the funny little guy from Vermont.

Without airy generalizations, can you be more specific???

[BlueCaliDem]

34. Yep. Kid gloves.

Without airy generalizations, can you be more specific???

If you don't know by now, you prove right there that "my" assumption is no longer an assumption but a substantiated fact. And why would I extend that kid-glove treatment by doing your research for you? You've been on DU long enough to know, you have access to the interwebs just like I do - unless, of course, you really are wearing blinders and ear plugs for the past year. If you don't know what I'm referring to by now, you never will.

[Plucketeer]

43. LOL!!!

Forgive me, but your cop-out is SO flimsy, it gives new definition to transparent!

[BlueCaliDem]

47. ROFL!!

Good thing I didn't waste my time playing your little "prove it!!!11" game, eh, Plucketeer?

[Plucketeer]

61. Indeed!

It's Sunday and you don't need your own Mt. Everest.

[BlueCaliDem]

64. Like I said...Waste. Of. Time. Thanks for proving my point!

[pandr32]

57. You are right about the kid gloves

...and it was more about the young supporters than about Bernie.

[Plucketeer]

62. While I don't, really...

I sometimes flirt with the notion that living in a "black or white" world would be SO MUCH more gratifying. Of course, to live such a simple existence, I'd have trouble detecting the bullshit from the Right. So, no thinks - I'll stay with common sense and a good sense of smell. But don't let that keep you from describing what it's like in the black and white dimension!

[BlueCaliDem]

65. Here's black and white for you: Hillary won. Sanders LOST. There isn't any gray area

there. She won at all metrics put before her - surpassing even Senator Barack Obama.

She won in the popular vote.

She won in superdelegates.

She won the most States, and...

...tah-dah-dah! She won the most pledged delegates.

That means...

Sanders lost the popular vote.

Sanders lost in superdelegates.

Sanders lost the most States, and...

...Sanders lost the most pledged delegates.

Pretty cut 'n' dry there...what you call "black and white".

[Plucketeer]

67. Enjoy your rigged fantasy! nt

[BlueCaliDem]

71. When all else fails (like the acceptance of facts) just say it was rigged!!11

How predictable.

[Plucketeer]

72. EVERY bit as predictable

as your comment.

[FarPoint]

12. Insignificant essentially...the amount of hard core Sanders supporters.

By November, the majority will back Hillary and hard core may go elsewhere or sit home.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

14. Yes, they'll almost all vote Democratic. But Sanders now has influence tho some try to suppress it.

[swhisper1]

20. they will vote for her but will listen and believe Sanders. His table is clean and bountiful

hers is...................

[BlueCaliDem]

31. If you really believe that, you don't know your candidate. eom

[swhisper1]

37. But I have known her for 40 yrs

[BlueCaliDem]

40. Who? Jill Stein? eom

[swhisper1]

48. Hillary

[BlueCaliDem]

35. Yep. About 75% will cast their vote for Hillary Clinton, leaving 25% (not bad odds). And half of

that 25% will vote for Trump. Not much of a loss for us there.

[Plucketeer]

41. I intend to "sit home"

and fill out my mail-in ballot - the one I'll have written Bernie's name on if it's not one of the choices. REAL principles are such a rare thing these days. Consequently, I refuse to turn my back on a candidate who's built a movement around them. Other, less stalwart sorts can put a checkmark next to the charlatan of their choice. I suppose I'll end up suffering the fallout of their delusions. History is what it is - and even in this day and age, we're doomed to repeat it.

[swhisper1]

13. How short a memory. the Obama/Clinton meeting got her the SoS position

and their positions are vastly different. Her process would take 50 yrs, where his would take ten without bowing to insurance companies and corporations

[Evergreen Emerald]

16. ?

[StoneCarver]

22. Could we stop with the Sander slams?

He did not dehumanize her. He stuck to the issues. Remember "we're tired of hearing about your damn emails". He could have really damaged her but didn't. To the Hillary supporters, congratulations you're going to get the nomination, if there's no indictment. God help us if there is.
Stonecarver

[calimary]

55. How about perhaps we stop with the Hillary slams?

[stonecutter357]

23. I think he is going to ask Hillary Clinton to pay his debt.

[Plucketeer]

27. IF Sanders needs money

He won't be schmoozing Hollywood Hi-liners to get it. We mini-minions will take care of our own. No tainted establishment funds necessary.

[stonecutter357]

30. .

[Hiraeth]

28. lol

Zinger!!!

[JonLeibowitz]

54. Sanders is not in debt.

[Hiraeth]

58. Sarcasm

[swhisper1]

38. that is silly

[stonecutter357]

53. seems legit !

[dubyadiprecession]

33. Tuesday is the end of The Bernie campaign....

He wants to be on the same page with hillary When they make their speeches that night.

[swhisper1]

39. thank you, the hate here is waist deep, nice to hear a reasonable reply

however, it will be after the vote at the convention that determines the speeches

[Odin2005]

42. Sanders supporter, here. I think he's trying to find a way to concede that doesn't cause...

...the "BernieBro" types from flipping their shit and sitting out the election or voting Green.

[L. Coyote]

46. I have a way, Bernie needs to go after the Republican Congress. Revolutions don't

end if a candidate loses a primary. The revolution requires a Dem majority in the Senate and the House. Bernie should go after the Republican 1%'er House of Representatives and defeat them by energizing enough voters to throw the plutocratic wannabes out of there.

Here's how:

55 districts to flip in a Democratic wave election
By joeknapp

[swhisper1]

49. probably. They both want a smooth transition no matter who ends up winning

[MFM008]

52. Just stop

How can you quibble today?

[KansDem]

56. I suppose we'll hear the obligatory "Well, he didn't win..."

"...but he changed American politics" and made us aware of the plight of the poor and working class, the shrinking middle class, destructive trade policies, environmental degradation, rising health-care costs, outrageous student debt, and so on.

Maybe for a day or two in the media--how ever long the Oligarchs permit. Then it'll be business as usual.

[Red Mountain]

59. Only if we let them

I don't think Bernie is going away any more than the issues he cared most about.

He put the foot of Democratic Socialism in the door.......and guess what?

People have been receptive.