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MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:28 PM Jun 2016

ISIS claims responsibility for Orlando Florida nightclub shooting: Amaq News Agency tied to group

Source: Daily Star (Lebanon)

CAIRO: ISIS' Amaq news agency said on Sunday that the Islamist militant group was responsible for the shooting that killed at least 50 people in a massacre at a gay nightclub in Orlando, Florida.

"The armed attack that targeted a gay night club in the city of Orlando in the American state of Florida which left over 100 people dead or injured was carried out by an Islamic State fighter," Amaq said.

Read more: http://www.dailystar.com.lb/News/Lebanon-News/2016/Jun-12/356615-isis-claims-responsibility-for-orlando-florida-nightclub-shooting-amaq-news-agency-tied-to-group.ashx



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ISIS claims responsibility for Orlando Florida nightclub shooting: Amaq News Agency tied to group (Original Post) MowCowWhoHow III Jun 2016 OP
Pieces of shit shenmue Jun 2016 #1
I wonder if they were actually involved of just taking credit for it. nt Gore1FL Jun 2016 #2
Either way, they are truly "proper fucked" now. Ellipsis Jun 2016 #4
How so? philosslayer Jun 2016 #10
On our soil. Game changer. Ellipsis Jun 2016 #11
Again, how? philosslayer Jun 2016 #12
It's an act of War. Ellipsis Jun 2016 #18
So you're saying we're going to declare war on ISIS now? philosslayer Jun 2016 #21
Enough radical islam related deaths. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #49
No it isn't atreides1 Jun 2016 #52
I stand corrected... Ellipsis Jun 2016 #54
What is this the 2nd or 3ed time? ileus Jun 2016 #26
Nothing will change. We love PC. 840high Jun 2016 #39
Cuckold Nation...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #64
It might severely reduce tolerance for conservatism, worldwide. sofa king Jun 2016 #44
Time to wipe these fuckers off the map. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #48
yes it is. Where ever they may be. MariaThinks Jun 2016 #50
This message was self-deleted by its author Mosby Jun 2016 #53
The NRA is more responsible for this than ISIS scscholar Jun 2016 #51
Bullshit leftynyc Jun 2016 #62
Well, apparently the guy called 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #13
Yes, his ex-wife said on CNN he was bipolar. SunSeeker Jun 2016 #57
I would think PatSeg Jun 2016 #15
That's what I was thinking. Gore1FL Jun 2016 #29
The backlash is going to be so ugly PatSeg Jun 2016 #58
The Perfect Storm. cynzke Jun 2016 #65
Yes PatSeg Jun 2016 #70
Unless they also released a video of the guy claiming to have done it with their help cstanleytech Jun 2016 #19
We gonna call it what it is NOW? 7962 Jun 2016 #3
We already know what it is. sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #5
Its our admin. who continue to refuse to mention "Islamic extremists" 7962 Jun 2016 #6
These folks tend to be very conservative.. a liberal he was not secondwind Jun 2016 #7
This guy wasn't on the conservative/liberal christx30 Jun 2016 #9
All fundamentalists are right-wing, in every religion. That's the problem! Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #36
Yet was a registered democratic voter GummyBearz Jun 2016 #66
people who deny the obvious just look like fools, Angel Martin Jun 2016 #8
You can call them "Islamic extremist" as much as you like, that won't destroy them ck4829 Jun 2016 #16
This is blowback from the ME wars sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #17
What did the Gays do to them? King_David Jun 2016 #20
When secular, civil societies sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #23
Well fuck them then , King_David Jun 2016 #24
They weren't in our breathing space sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #28
Well there's a huge problem now King_David Jun 2016 #30
Before WWII sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #38
In 2016 the very worst Homophobia is coming from Islamic extremists King_David Jun 2016 #41
His father supports the Taliban, and the Taliban hates gays passiveporcupine Jun 2016 #60
create the Arc of Crisis they did AntiBank Jun 2016 #43
Lets Not Isolate Islamic Fundamentalism Here. cynzke Jun 2016 #67
Please read again sulphurdunn Jun 2016 #71
Not a damn thing. nt 7962 Jun 2016 #32
Amen! McKim Jun 2016 #37
What's that got to do with murdering 50 Gay people , King_David Jun 2016 #42
"" Its our admin. who continue to refuse to mention "Islamic extremists" "" vkkv Jun 2016 #22
Really? Are you that ignorant of these countries laws? 7962 Jun 2016 #35
BI-POLAR PSYCHO, HOMOPHOBIC HATER... cynzke Jun 2016 #68
Gay hate, for one thing. The NRA is responsible - for opposing a gun ban for people on watch list. Zen Democrat Jun 2016 #34
Mateen Was Not On a Watch List..... cynzke Jun 2016 #69
Denying will continue. n/t Yo_Mama Jun 2016 #14
We know what it is. 840high Jun 2016 #40
Ugh! Just sickening. smirkymonkey Jun 2016 #25
They didn't use the isis slur for gay people. They used the arabic word. Makes experts think that it applegrove Jun 2016 #27
Link ? King_David Jun 2016 #31
CNN applegrove Jun 2016 #33
IS claims Orlando shooter as 'soldier of caliphate' in radio bulletin MowCowWhoHow III Jun 2016 #61
This officially makes L.Governor Dan Patrick of Texas an ISIS sympathizer truthisfreedom Jun 2016 #45
Get used to it, this will increase for the rest of your life. braddy Jun 2016 #46
Evil fucking bastards. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #47
Oh, well, of course they did. And we know it came from the official head of ISIS since jtuck004 Jun 2016 #55
On our soil now. Which makes us not an NDAA legal "battleground," but a real battleground. ancianita Jun 2016 #59
They're delighted to claim it. They hope recruitment begins within the Great Satan. ancianita Jun 2016 #56
Thank you MCWHIII for your posts...nt Jesus Malverde Jun 2016 #63
 

philosslayer

(3,076 posts)
10. How so?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:16 PM
Jun 2016

What exactly do you think is going to happen now above and beyond whats already been happening?

atreides1

(16,072 posts)
52. No it isn't
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 08:42 PM
Jun 2016

4) the term “act of war” means any act occurring in the course of—
(A) declared war;
(B) armed conflict, whether or not war has been declared, between two or more nations; or
(C) armed conflict between military forces of any origin; and

(A)No declaration of war has been enacted
(B)The US does not recognize ISIS as a sovereign nation
(C)ISIS fighters are not regarded as military forces but as insurgents

None of those apply!!!

(5) the term “domestic terrorism” means activities that—
(A) involve acts dangerous to human life that are a violation of the criminal laws of the United States or of any State;
(B) appear to be intended—
(i) to intimidate or coerce a civilian population;
(ii) to influence the policy of a government by intimidation or coercion; or
(iii) to affect the conduct of a government by mass destruction, assassination, or kidnapping; and
(C) occur primarily within the territorial jurisdiction of the United States.


This would be a better application. Remember the attacker was a natural born American citizen

ileus

(15,396 posts)
26. What is this the 2nd or 3ed time?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:20 PM
Jun 2016

We didn't mind the first few?


We won't care about this one...


We're too busy blaming Google, Banks, and Republicans for all our problems.

sofa king

(10,857 posts)
44. It might severely reduce tolerance for conservatism, worldwide.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:40 PM
Jun 2016

America's gay community has worldwide reach and influence. They've already been the chosen punching bag of domestic conservatives for all of this millenium. Now they're the go-to target of international conservatives, too. While saddened by this violence, I am glad our enemies chose the gay community as their enemy, for they are the best equipped to lead the worldwide counteroffensive against conservative hatred.

It's going to encourage some of us, like me, to make the claim that there is no real difference between Christian conservatives and Islamic conservatives. The problem, the disease, is conservatism itself.

It's time to treat conservatism as what it really is: a mental disorder which has no place in politics or public service. It's time to treat our stupid, frightened, insane conservative friends as people in need of treatment. It's time to treat each one of them as an intellectually disabled time-bomb who needs to be identified, approached, and psychologically defused, rather than frightened and exploited for political and monetary gain.

It's not going to happen tomorrow, but the societies that survive the 21st Centuries are all going to have to come to terms with the fact that the small minded racists, homophobes, and misogynists among us, the fascists who long for an idealized past which never existed, they are all people whose minds have been poisoned with hate, and the hatred is a warning sign of the violence to come.

It is time to treat lack of tolerance as a mental illness which, until CURED, should limit the civic and political choices an individual can make. And yes, maybe being declared a conservative will limit one's access to guns, too.

Response to Odin2005 (Reply #48)

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
13. Well, apparently the guy called 911 to pledge allegiance to ISIS
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:26 PM
Jun 2016

Otherwise, probably they were just "inspirational".

We live in an insane world, but the crazies have found each other.

SunSeeker

(51,550 posts)
57. Yes, his ex-wife said on CNN he was bipolar.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

Apparently he started exhibiting symptoms about 3 months after they got married, forcing her to flee the marriage.

That man should not have been allowed to buy a pea shooter let alone an assault rifle.

PatSeg

(47,397 posts)
15. I would think
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:27 PM
Jun 2016

they are "just taking credit for it". So far there is no evidence that they were "involved" aside from possibly being an inspiration.

Gore1FL

(21,127 posts)
29. That's what I was thinking.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:46 PM
Jun 2016

They too a long time to claim responsibility--and didn't seem to do so until other information was revealed.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
65. The Perfect Storm.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:36 AM
Jun 2016

A heinous act is committed by a homophobic who happens to be Muslim. What a PERFECT OPPORTUNITY for ISIS. They can now HYPE this as evidence to their followers that ISIS has power and influence reaching throughout the world. Isis TAKES CREDIT because this HELPS them and they did not lift a finger themselves, just reaching out to those "lone wolves" they hope to catch with their hate and poison. And look how we are now scurrying around in a frenzy like ants who have been prodded by a stick!

PatSeg

(47,397 posts)
70. Yes
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016

And then in this country politicians can play on the fear and hate yet again. I really feel for anyone in the U.S. who can be perceived as Mideastern after politicians and the media hype Islamophobia 24/7. So many don't care about the victims as much as they care about what they can gain from this tragedy.

cstanleytech

(26,281 posts)
19. Unless they also released a video of the guy claiming to have done it with their help
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:43 PM
Jun 2016

and released it themselves I am going to go with just claiming credit in order to make themselves look more powerful than they really are.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
5. We already know what it is.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 02:52 PM
Jun 2016

Sadly, the American right and ruling elites refuses to admit why it is. Of course, that would make it difficult to sell continuing to do what hasn't worked.

 

7962

(11,841 posts)
6. Its our admin. who continue to refuse to mention "Islamic extremists"
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:03 PM
Jun 2016

This guy checks off most of the boxes, and had been investigated by the FBI as well.
He calls in and tells why he's doing it.
And yet we still want to ignore the fact that many Islamic countries will actually KILL you for just being gay

I dont know what was "right wing" about this guy.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
9. This guy wasn't on the conservative/liberal
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:11 PM
Jun 2016

spectrum. He was a fundamentalist nut job.
It was a Muslim so he was hated by the right. He was anti-gay, and he beat women, so he was hated by the left.

 

GummyBearz

(2,931 posts)
66. Yet was a registered democratic voter
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:41 AM
Jun 2016

Bernie Sanders got a ton of flak for switching from -I to -D. This killer has been a -D all his life. Kinda makes it hard to argue both sides of that fence.

ck4829

(35,045 posts)
16. You can call them "Islamic extremist" as much as you like, that won't destroy them
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:35 PM
Jun 2016

They're not Beetlejuice.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
17. This is blowback from the ME wars
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:36 PM
Jun 2016

our government has been fomenting since we first threw our weight behind the Palestinian Nakkba in 1948, overthrew the Iranian government in 1953 and armed the mujahedin against the Russians in 1979. We've been destabilizing the region for generations. Things keep getting worse. Millions of people have been hurt, killed, displaced and terrorized. It didn't start coming home to roost until the first Twin Tower bombing in 1993. Our solution has been to double down and divert increasingly scarce resources to wars we won't win so we can maintain an empire that is crumbling from within.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
20. What did the Gays do to them?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 03:44 PM
Jun 2016

Where's that hate come from in your theory?

What caused the blowback on Gays?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
23. When secular, civil societies
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:08 PM
Jun 2016

unravel, religious fundamentalism always rises up to demand the blood of unbelievers and other sinners . The Quran, like the Bible, requires homosexuals be put to death. The difference is that ISIS has replaced secular government with a murderous, inquisitorial theocracy that considers its holy book a governing document. They terrorize and murder to retain control. They target anyone different or insufficiently pious for punishment and even death. Gay infidels, especially Americans are prime targets of opportunity for such insane zeal and madness.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
24. Well fuck them then ,
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jun 2016

If they hate gays that much and try to kill us at every turn ,then fuck them , they should just GTFO of our breathing space.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
28. They weren't in our breathing space
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:32 PM
Jun 2016

and were kept under control by secular governments in Lebanon, Iraq, Syria and Libya until we led the way in destroying those countries under the auspices of our neoconservative foreign policy establishment.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
30. Well there's a huge problem now
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:03 PM
Jun 2016

And if they can't accept Gays and continue to try wipe us out , fuck them ...

And this guy was an American born Muslim extremist hater ...what's that got to do with the ME or anything?

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
38. Before WWII
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 06:40 PM
Jun 2016

There was a very large American Nazi Party. That had plenty to do with Europe, and in its own right America has always been fertile ground for extremist bigotry and racism of all kinds. Homophobia has always been near the top of the chart.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
41. In 2016 the very worst Homophobia is coming from Islamic extremists
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:05 PM
Jun 2016

Throwing Gay people off buildings, stoning Gays to death and killing 50 Gay ( so this murdering terrorist scum thought anyway) in cold blood.... This is a huge problem in backward countries and now this medieval backward hate is being brought to the USA.

passiveporcupine

(8,175 posts)
60. His father supports the Taliban, and the Taliban hates gays
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 01:33 AM
Jun 2016

Where do you think he learned this hatred against gays?

He had a lot of war time ME influence from his family. He was a screwed up young man who was filled with anger and hate, and took it out on his wife first. Then she left him...that made him even angrier, no doubt.

He bought into the ISIS hate and rage and professed to support them. That doesn't mean he ever communicated with them, and his ex wife and parents say he wasn't religious, so this wasn't about the Muslim faith. I think he was just a genuine homophobe with unmanageable hatred and rage, and finally lashed out at the thing he hated most. It probably didn't help the the FBI investigated him twice (and interviewed him) for racist and homophobic language he used in front of co-workers...they reported him. That just spurred on his rage.

He was a time bomb waiting to happen.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
67. Lets Not Isolate Islamic Fundamentalism Here.
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 11:49 AM
Jun 2016

There are plenty of Christian Groups/Pastors on video demanding that we execute Gays in this country and while we have YET to legislate from this prospective, have NO DOUBT that there have been attempts to TRY and there are plenty of people who want laws enacted that would allow radical punishment and death for LGBT's.

 

sulphurdunn

(6,891 posts)
71. Please read again
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 06:52 PM
Jun 2016

I could be wrong, and I know spousal abuse is not uncommon anywhere, but I honestly don't think that most women or their parents will not put up with much of it regardless of what fundamentalist religion or culture have to say on the subject, and that plays in spades for premeditated mass murder.

Fundamentalist religion and culture are not peculiar to Islam. Sorry if I did not make that clear.

McKim

(2,412 posts)
37. Amen!
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:49 PM
Jun 2016

What were we expecting after killing all those people in Iraq, Afghanistan, Libya and Syria! What surprises me is what took them so long. We have to stop the wars and help Israel turn around. This is why I won't vote for Hillary, she will give them more of the same and it will all continue.

King_David

(14,851 posts)
42. What's that got to do with murdering 50 Gay people ,
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jun 2016

How were we involved in all that?
Why is it that we are hated for what you've said there?
Your post makes no sense.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
22. "" Its our admin. who continue to refuse to mention "Islamic extremists" ""
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:01 PM
Jun 2016
Its our admin. who continue to refuse to mention "Islamic extremists"


WRONG

"" This guy checks off most of the boxes, and had been investigated by the FBI as well.
He calls in and tells why he's doing it.
And yet we still want to ignore the fact that many Islamic countries will actually KILL you for just being gay :"""""

"MANY"? AS IN MORE THAN SEVERAL? PLEASE NAME THREE AND PROVIDE PROOF OF YOU STATEMENT

"""" I dont know what was "right wing" about this guy. """""

HE WAS A U.S. CITIZEN.. WHO ALSO HAPPENED TO BE A WIFE-BEATING PSYCHO WHO WAS ALLOWED TO BUY A FIREARM.. FIREARM BEING CRUCIAL TO THE MASS MURDERING OBJECTIVE.
 

7962

(11,841 posts)
35. Really? Are you that ignorant of these countries laws?
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jun 2016

By the way, "Many" & "several" mean the same thing.
Iran
Saudi Arabia
Yemen
Sudan
Mauritania
here's one of the laws:
"Article 308: Any adult Muslim who has committed an indecent act or an act against nature with an individual of the same sex will be punished to death by public stoning. If the act is between two women, they will be punished by the punishment established in paragraph one of Article 306.”

Look the rest up yourself; simply being gay is illegal in more than 50 countries.

cynzke

(1,254 posts)
68. BI-POLAR PSYCHO, HOMOPHOBIC HATER...
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 12:04 PM
Jun 2016

Who saw a brilliant opportunity to AGGRANDIZE himself INTO a roll as an international terrorist. He is PLAYING this country, showing the world we are paranoid racists who jump in fear at the mention of certain BUZZ WORDS.

Zen Democrat

(5,901 posts)
34. Gay hate, for one thing. The NRA is responsible - for opposing a gun ban for people on watch list.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 05:28 PM
Jun 2016

Like this guy.

The NRA and the Republican Congress are the direct enablers of this, as they recently blocked legislation to prohibit gun sales to people on the US terrorist watch list.

applegrove

(118,613 posts)
27. They didn't use the isis slur for gay people. They used the arabic word. Makes experts think that it
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 04:22 PM
Jun 2016

wasn't actual ISIS claiming responsibility. Vibes to all the families, friends and victims.

MowCowWhoHow III

(2,103 posts)
61. IS claims Orlando shooter as 'soldier of caliphate' in radio bulletin
Mon Jun 13, 2016, 05:40 AM
Jun 2016
#BREAKING IS claims Orlando shooter as 'soldier of caliphate' in radio bulletin
https://twitter.com/AFP/status/742286243191488512
 

jtuck004

(15,882 posts)
55. Oh, well, of course they did. And we know it came from the official head of ISIS since
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 09:59 PM
Jun 2016

we have all that so clearly defined.

They are trolling the United States.

ancianita

(36,023 posts)
56. They're delighted to claim it. They hope recruitment begins within the Great Satan.
Sun Jun 12, 2016, 10:46 PM
Jun 2016

Apparently the FBI Watch List needs better watching.

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