Orlando suspect’s father hosted a TV show and now pretends to be Afghanistan’s president

[bigworld]

Source: Washington Post

The father of Omar Mateen, identified by police as the man behind the carnage at an Orlando nightclub early Sunday morning, is an Afghan man who holds strong political views, including support for the Afghan Taliban. In a video he posted on Saturday, he appears to be portraying himself as the president of Afghanistan.

Seddique Mateen, who has been referred to as Mir Seddique in early news reports, hosted the “Durand Jirga Show” on a channel called Payam-e-Afghan, which broadcasts from California. In it, the elder Mateen speaks in the Dari language on a variety of political subjects. Dozens of videos are posted on a channel under Seddique Mateen's name on YouTube. A phone number and post office box that are displayed on the show were traced back to the Mateen home in Florida. Mateen also owns a nonprofit organization under the name Durand Jirga, which is registered in Port St. Lucie, Fla.

In one video, Mateen expresses gratitude toward the Afghan Taliban, while denouncing the Pakistani government.

“Our brothers in Waziristan, our warrior brothers in [the] Taliban movement and national Afghan Taliban are rising up,” he said. “Inshallah the Durand Line issue will be solved soon.”

Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/worldviews/wp/2016/06/12/orlando-shooting-suspects-father-hosted-a-political-tv-show-and-even-tried-to-run-for-the-afghan-presidency/?postshare=2441465759392185&tid=ss_tw

[Imajika]

1. I'm shocked I tell ya!

The nut doesn't fall far from the tree.

I'd love to see President Obama or Hillary say something like "If you support the Taliban or any radical Islam groups, leave, just go. This is not the place for you. You views are not consistent with a liberal democracy, and we simply don't want you here. In fact if you'll renounce your US citizenship we will fly you to whatever fundamentalist Islamic country you'd like to go".

[Mika]

2. Yet the State dept subsidizes thr Pakistan ISI, who fund the Taliban. eom

[Johnyawl]

3. Not just the State Dept...

Our government, republican and Democrats alike, has supported Pakistan with military and economic aide since the formation of SEATO in 1954. It's time to toss that cold war relic in the trash bin, and cut Pakistan off from all military and non-military aide.

[Aerows]

16. How do you think all of the oil money they receive

gets to Turkey? The oil fairy doesn't just make it appear there. Millions of dollars worth of oil is a little more difficult to move discreetly than a bag of pot.

We are complicit with this, and it funds these thugs. There is no magic solution, but cutting off their ability to fund themselves is a great place to start.

And please, don't let our Congress insult our intelligence because a Senator stated they were selling oil to Turkey on floor of the Capitol. It's not like nobody knows.

[jtuck004]

4. "I'd love to see President Obama or Hillary say" > we are gonna stop killing innocent children

and families in countries like Afghanistan and Pakistan with our drones.

Doubt that's gonna happen either.

Just an FYI - We arrested a christian religious fundie a couple years back who left a backpack bomb full of shrapnel for the Martin Luther King Jr Day Parade in Spokane. It was found and disarmed. He was arrested.

Where would you have flown him to?

...Afghanistan 2015 onwards

Our complete
Afghanistan datasheet

Most recent strike:
June 8 2016

Bureau data
Total strikes: 324-329
Total killed: 1,546-2,044
Civilians killed: 75-103
Children killed: 4-18
Injured: 163-169

USAF data
Missions with at least one
weapon release: 178
Total weapons released: 362
...

https://www.thebureauinvestigates.com/category/projects/drones/drones-graphs/

[zeemike]

6. Well that is a tough question.

Because I don't know of any country that is ruled by Christians who have as their law that you can and must kill gay people. So there is nothing to chose from.

But there are a number of Muslim countries that execute people all the time for being gay.

[christx30]

7. There's Uganda.

Homosexual acts and promoting (i.e. being against incinerating gay people) is forbidden.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uganda_Anti-Homosexuality_Act,_2014

Lots of anti gay sentiment there. And high Christian population.

[jtuck004]

10. It has nothing to do with that. It is a disturbed 29 year old and a bunch of self-righteous

assholes who think they can analyze someone they have never met.

It's fun, though, to put off on "Muslim countries" our own responsibilities and obligations. The ones we have abrogated so we can visit violence on others while pretending we aren't.

If we didn't have 300 million people and 320 million guns, it might be different, and that has nothing to do with anyone but us.

If we provided adequate care for our mentally ill, it might have been different.

If we didn't live in a country which is both racist and homophobic - which could easily play on the mind of a young man from such an authoritarian family, - (he might have been a homosexual in a family that wished him dead) - it might have been different.

This whole xenophobic campaign to ascribe motives to someone, who, btw, was also a registered Democrat, rather than accept our own responsibilities, is pathetic. Still.

The news guy made a good point - said it was the 15th time Obama had addressed the nation after a mass shooting, and he was wondering what he had left. Said we had seen the mad Obama, the sad Obama, the outraged Obama...

but we have changed not a fucking thing.

It ain't the Muslims, cupcake.

[7962]

12. EVERY country is "racist & homophobic" to some degree

How many make it part of their national law? And where are these countries?
NOT here.

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

19. Aaaaaaand your usual blame America rant.....

I even like the "He was a registered Democrat" part, just so we know what your real deal is.

Fuck your snappy comeback in advance. You ain't fooling anyone, sunshine.

[jtuck004]

21. I'll respect and honor the people who died by dealing with reality, rather than

that adolescent knee-jerk response that is so much easier to come by, thanks. That illogical xenophobia and hatred may sit well with your little group, but it cheapens their sacrifice.

Pity you. I'll let you and your little gang go.

[rusty fender]

31. He was an Islamic religious zealot

Deal with that reality!

[jtuck004]

34. What is your evidence, other than the 911 call, and your willingness to hate something? n/t

[melman]

37. 'other than the 911 call'

You mean the one where he fucking pledged his allegiance to ISIS? Besides that one?

[cynzke]

40. That call was Garnish.

If this young man was a radical Islamic terrorist he had better opportunities and bigger targets to choose from. He drove 124 miles primarily to attack a gay bar. His motive was to kill gays. He gets the idea to call 911 and pledge his alliance to ISIS so that he can somehow AGGRANDIZE his sick, pathetic, homophobic attack against gays. And that call is working/deflecting from this domestic act of terrorism, a hate crime. This is the act of a homophobic sicko who is depending on our paranoia to launch this into something far more sinister than it was intended to be. All this paranoia does is ENCOURAGE other sickos from performing random acts violence. Omar was American and knew how well he could get us running around like headless chickens by making one phone call.

[jtuck004]

41. Yes, that fuckinjg call.A distraught person, certainly in a rage, perhaps suicidal,

makes a call. He was a confused 29 year old, maybe even sick.

You could make a cal saying you are a real estate swindler, that doesn't make you a presidential candidate.

Ironic. I remember Democrats by the hundreds showing up to turn over black kid's school buses in 1971. Pushing their kids to attack and beat the black children getting off buses. They flad into the Dairy Queen across the street, were saved by the police, with firetrucks driving through the crowd to break them up.

'Cause "they" were invading "this" side of town.

Looks like Mrs. Clinton was right when she said "Hearts don't change. Not really".

The only thing that has changed are the targets.

[snooper2]

43. He stopped unloading hundreds of rounds in innocent people to fucking call 911

pledge allegiance to ISIS, hung up and started unloading again...

And you are making apologies for him- Fucking amazing. Everybody has your number #004 here so go ahead and keep it up!

[christx30]

24. All of us Americans live in that country.

Not all of us become mass murderers.
Maybe it was just 22 years of living with this Taliban loving bastard that did it?

[zeemike]

29. Of all the words of mice and men, the saddest are it might have been.

There are many Muslim countries that kill gay people and practice some of the most backward things on the earth and here we are making excuses for them...and blaming ourselves for what they do.

If it were different and there were a dozen Christian countries doing that we would here at DU have no problem criticizing and blaming Christianity for it...and you know that is true.
And if you want to put it to the test just post something positive about the bible or Jesus and see them come out of the woodwork to tell you what a POS you are.
Or just go to the religion forum and read it.

But criticize the most backward religion on the planet and you will be called a bigot, Islamophobic or racist.
Something is wrong there.

[jtuck004]

35. I really don't give a flying rat's ass if you criticize the religion. Any of them - there

isn't spit's worth of difference between any of them. Just the yeardecadecentury in which they become bloodthirsty bastards. All of them could turn into dust tomorrow and I would be looking for compost to make it worth something.

On the other hand, we have a 29 year old kid, an American citizen, born here, lived here, of Afghani descent, who may have read some Islamic web sites, and on the day of his murderous rampage and suicide he made a 911 call and said some shit about ISIS.

He was a New York Democrat longer than he professed to being an ISIS extremist.

The most likely scenario is that he was a bully, and had some really deep and serious anger issues - he may well have had a mental health episode. In his house that would have been frowned on as much as him professing to be a homosexual.

The whole act in front of his dad about being mad about the two guys kissing? He wouldn't be the first self-loathing homosexual who had never, ever experienced a single person telling him that he was worth a damn and lost it in a world of hate. And that would be yet one more failure of our mental health system, not a jihad.

You don't know why he did it, and neither do I.

But I am no fan of magical thinking, and for damn sure when it involves whitewashing our heroes or making our villains into excuses for our own lack of action.

Ymmv. Feel free to blame whomever you want. I would rather find the problem and fix it.

bye.

[zeemike]

38. No difference between any of them?

You mean Catholics preach that gay people should be thrown off a cliff? And a woman needs 4 men witnesses to a rape or she is guilty of adultery and must be stoned to death?

No there are big differences between the religions of the world. But it seems the liberals have chosen the most regressive of them to defend.

[Corporate666]

45. What is pathetic...

is people making excuses for radical islamic terrorists.

What is pathetic is bashing people for "ascribing motives to someone" who made it very clear what their motives were. He called the cops to pledge his support to ISIS just before he went to slaughter all those poor people.

Blaming it on lack of mental health care, racism and homophobia in the USA (are you fucking serious?), and the guns in the USA is pathetic.


Religion is cancer. It pushes insane beliefs and justifies all sort of inhumane behavior. The difference is that all of the other major religions went through an enlightenment period where the vast majority of people came to view the more crazy things as "to be interpreted, not taken literally". The same hasn't happened with Islam. Which is why you get surveys showing that a shocking percentage of muslims around the world believe it's OK to kill someone for being gay, or for leaving the religion, or for being an infidel.

The percentage who belive that in Islam is orders of magnitude higher than the percentage of other religions who believe it.

[jtuck004]

46. Could be - except for your post no one is even suggesting that. But ok, since you

set the bar, (I didn't know it could go that low) I will evaluate your argument on one post.

You, clearly, have nothing to offer that one cannot get across town at the Make America Hate Again - For Everyone campaign.

I'll just add your little missive to the stack of other entries for the Joseph McCarthy Never Really Died award, and move on.

cya.

[840high]

11. .+1

[Elmergantry]

8. So why was this assclown permitted entry to begin with? NT

[dhol82]

15. He was born here

Born in New York and family moved later to Florida.
He's one of ours.

[Elmergantry]

23. I am talking about the father not the shooter NT

[Yo_Mama]

9. I figured as much when I read the thing about the two guys kissing in Miami.

This nasty fuckwad had the nerve to claim to be a victim, and equate himself with the families of the shooting victims.

Horrible guy.

No one but a nutcase would claim that the sight of two guys kissing would cause homocidal mania. Let's be honest.

[rusty fender]

30. +1,000,000!!!

[IronLionZion]

5. People who love the Taliban so much should just go

go and live there if it's so great and leave the rest of us alone.

Our government can arrange for one-way tickets.

[7962]

13. +1

[Aerows]

17. I'll help them pack. n/t

[Calista241]

14. This family is 8 shades of fucked up. n/t

[FraDon]

18. "...video posted Saturday..." • C'mon! This is obviously an op ...

Wacko Papa?! Video immediately. Too convenient by half. So much more to come, like a poker hand with extra aces. Who benefits? Trumpolini has quickly taken it and tripled-down, with one-and-a-half twists into new, uglier territory. How soon till the 'new Kristallnacht'? This year, new and improved: so many more targets, Mexicans, Muslims, the Blacks, the Bleeders; whatever LGBT stands for. (Need I say sic?)

Somebody ordered this; somebody paid for it to happen. Lots of "our" people know about this family (FBI says they cleared the shooter years ago). This shooter, like the VAST majority IMHO, has a handler who has supervisors. Of course, they're good at this, and it always seems to work, and we'll likely never know.

Trump's America: Profiting from Misery.

[Odin2005]

22. Creative speculation is over that way.

[MariaThinks]

20. and the son pledged allegience to isis

[tabasco]

25. Terrorist family

Lock their asses up.

[proverbialwisdom]

26. AP writer.

http://wwlp.com/2016/06/12/multiple-gunmen-reportedly-open-fire-inside-orlando-night-club/

[Jesus Malverde]

32. I've seen witness reports that there were at least two other gunmen....nt

[proverbialwisdom]

33. Why would an article have a URL which does not reflect what is being reported?

If I'd noticed that, I wouldn't have posted the link. This thread discusses the father; the AP article does, too.

Mateen’s father, Seddique Mir Mateen, told NBC News about his son seeing the men kissing a couple of months ago.

“We are saying we are apologizing for the whole incident,” Seddique said. “We are in shock like the whole country.”

When asked if the gunman had a connection to radical Islamic terrorism, Hopper said authorities had “suggestions that individual has leanings towards that.”

Mateen’s father said the attack had nothing to do with religion, he said.

Not quite in sync with the WaPo reporting.

[Feeling the Bern]

27. This family is six shades of batshit crazy.

[Bluenorthwest]

28. Some on DU are promoting the father as a valid source of information....

http://www.democraticunderground.com/10027906053#post5

[Spitfire of ATJ]

36. Still not as crazy as Ted Cruz's dad.

[nilesobek]

39. I'd wager he got his ideas from Pops there. What a piece of work Daddio is.

[soilopen]

42. like father like son

demons.

[B2G]

44. Dad also made numerous trips to DC

Lots of photos on his FB page.