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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 04:47 PM Jun 2016

FBI to investigate if Orlando gunman's sexuality was a motive in shooting

Source: The Guardian

Officials indicated they would follow up on reports that shooter Omar Mateen had visited Pulse nightclub before the attack and used an LGBT dating app

The FBI has told members of the LGBT community it will pursue accounts that the Orlando nightclub shooter was partially motivated by internal conflict over his own sexuality, the Guardian has learned.

A conference call held late on Monday pulled together representatives from the FBI and departments of justice and homeland security with 358 civil-rights-minded leaders, particularly from the LGBT and American Muslim groups, a senior US official told the Guardian, to share information and hear concerns from communities reeling from one of the worst incidents of gun violence in recent US history.

FBI officials on the call “indicated they would follow up” on reports that shooter Omar Mateen had on a number of occasions visited the LGBT nightclub Pulse where he killed 49 and wounded 52 on Sunday. That focus is thus far unprecedented in nearly 15 years of post-9/11 counter-terrorism, which has yet to confront a known case of a suspected closeted LGBT individual ostensibly committing a mass murder in the name of a homophobic terrorist organization.

According to a readout of the call, the Department of Homeland Security also said it was receiving “reports of anecdotal backlash from Muslim-American, Sikh, South Asian and Arab-American communities”. The US official said that on the call, Muslim leaders expressed “condolences and significant support” for LGBT communities in Orlando and beyond.

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Read more: http://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/14/orlando-shooting-omar-mateen-motive-pulse-nightclub?CMP=share_btn_tw

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FBI to investigate if Orlando gunman's sexuality was a motive in shooting (Original Post) DonViejo Jun 2016 OP
Ding ding ding ding ding! I think we have a winner, folks. catbyte Jun 2016 #1
Ya think? I'm clear across country, sitting in my office, and I can see this possibility . . . Journeyman Jun 2016 #2
Everyone can speculate Geronimoe Jun 2016 #3
A lesbian friend called it Sunday at noon. HooptieWagon Jun 2016 #4
A theory: Maybe he was about to be outed against his will... targetpractice Jun 2016 #5
Interesting theory oswaldactedalone Jun 2016 #6
I have my doubts. christx30 Jun 2016 #7
If you want to case the place, how do multiple dating aps help? Travis_0004 Jun 2016 #8
Friend said when they were in vocational school 10 or so yrs ago womanofthehills Jun 2016 #14
I Think He Was Trying To Conceal He Was Gay videohead5 Jun 2016 #9
His first wife said he was physically abusive, bipolar and MADem Jun 2016 #11
Shouldn't they already be doing that anyway? KelleyKramer Jun 2016 #10
Why Crepuscular Jun 2016 #12
Because... CanSocDem Jun 2016 #13

catbyte

(34,315 posts)
1. Ding ding ding ding ding! I think we have a winner, folks.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:00 PM
Jun 2016

It makes much more sense that this was a violent, hypermasculine guy who was closeted & couldn't handle it anymore. He grew up in a culture that despises gays, he was violent towards and hated women. He was "enraged" at seeing 2 guys kissing, according to his father. He joined gay dating apps. He asked out a male classmate in high school. He frequented Pulse. That makes much more sense than a non-religious guy suddenly being radicalized & deciding to embark on jihad. Hell, I saw a recent picture of him, his wife & kid and his wife was bareheaded. Does THAT sound like an Islamic extremist? I don't think it had anything to do with ISIS--that was just an excuse for the carnage he was about to inflict.

 

Geronimoe

(1,539 posts)
3. Everyone can speculate
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

however doing so only expresses the speculators biases. It is always best to wait until a full investigation is completed. Otherwise you might get something stupid like another Iraq War.

 

HooptieWagon

(17,064 posts)
4. A lesbian friend called it Sunday at noon.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

I was skeptical, but then accounts started coming out Monday. I asked how she knew, and she said her sixth sense was jangling almost immediately.

targetpractice

(4,919 posts)
5. A theory: Maybe he was about to be outed against his will...
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:45 PM
Jun 2016

Mateen made a big spectacle in front of his father about two men kissing. Why would he ask his wife to drive him by Pulse and other gay clubs after he'd been going there many times by himself? For show?

His public pledges of allegiance to contradicting factions of Islamic extremists and causes seem like an attempt to remain in the closet even after death.

I am concerned that his wife is currently living with Mateen's father... He seems toxic and is probably the root cause of Mateen's homophobia.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
7. I have my doubts.
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 05:58 PM
Jun 2016

I think he was using the frequent trips to the club and the dating apps as cover to case the place.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
8. If you want to case the place, how do multiple dating aps help?
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 06:05 PM
Jun 2016

Why message somebody on and off for a year on a gay chat app?

videohead5

(2,162 posts)
9. I Think He Was Trying To Conceal He Was Gay
Tue Jun 14, 2016, 07:42 PM
Jun 2016

Reports say he had been to this night club many times.maybe he was so ashamed of being gay that he rather have been known as a terrorist than a gay man.he might have thought in his twisted mind that he could get rid of the people that knew at that club.maybe for some reason he thought his family was going to find out he was gay.

MADem

(135,425 posts)
11. His first wife said he was physically abusive, bipolar and
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:27 AM
Jun 2016

might have been gay.

I think he had a lot going on. The "self-loathing" hypothesis seems to be what is looking most likely. Time will tell. All the religious stuff (between Isis and the Tsarnaev brothers, etc.) doesn't seem to gel very well.

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/06/14/us/sitora-yusufiy-omar-mateen-orlando-shooting.html?_r=0


http://abcnews.go.com/US/orlando-shooters-wife-sick-person/story?id=39805225


http://www.alternet.org/news-amp-politics/ex-wife-pulse-patrons-omar-mateen-was-gay-regularly-attended-lgbt-nightclubs

KelleyKramer

(8,888 posts)
10. Shouldn't they already be doing that anyway?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:24 AM
Jun 2016

I would assume they are already going through his phone, who he called, texted. And also his emails and any activity on accounts/apps he had

It really shouldn't be that hard or take that long to figure out if there is good reason to believe he was gay.. and then start interviewing people for a follow up

Crepuscular

(1,057 posts)
12. Why
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:42 AM
Jun 2016

are the two mutually exclusive? Why is it not possible that he was both a closeted gay dealing with self-loathing issues, as well as a radicalized Muslim, who saw a Jihadist act as a means of paying for his sins to gain entry to paradise?

He was clearly a mentally disturbed individual with a whole lot of issues, if anything, having issues with his own sexuality, coupled with a fundamentalist Muslim upbringing would create a volatile combination that could lead him to murder others who he may see as tempting him away from his faith.

 

CanSocDem

(3,286 posts)
13. Because...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:58 AM
Jun 2016


...the USA is at war with Islam, not homosexuality.

It's all about fanning the flames.


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