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steve2470

(37,457 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:42 PM Jun 2016

Donald Trump Suggests U.S. Soldiers Embezzled Money in Iraq

Source: TIME

Donald Trump on Tuesday suggested soldiers who embezzled funds from Iraqi reconstruction efforts were “living very well.”

“Iraq. Crooked as hell,” Trump said at a rally in Greensboro, North Carolina. “How about bringing baskets of money, millions and millions of dollars, and handing it out?” he asked. “I want to know who are the soldiers that had that job because I think they’re living very well right now, whoever they may be.”

Trump’s spokesperson insists he wasn’t referring to American military personnel. “Mr. Trump was referring to Iraqi soldiers,” Hope Hicks said to NBC News Tuesday evening…



Read more: http://time.com/4369774/donald-trump-iraq-war/?xid=gonewsedit&google_editors_picks=true

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Donald Trump Suggests U.S. Soldiers Embezzled Money in Iraq (Original Post) steve2470 Jun 2016 OP
Trump Camp: Iraq Theft Claims Weren't About U.S. Troops steve2470 Jun 2016 #1
More bullshit from Deadbeat Donald emulatorloo Jun 2016 #2
Right.... Roy Rolling Jun 2016 #3
The ramblings of a fool ...a sonnet about Donald Trump SummerSnow Jun 2016 #23
Where's the money? fbc Jun 2016 #4
I remember stories about pallets of money. seabeckind Jun 2016 #8
Yes, there were pallets of money sent to Iraq. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #15
Here's an old article about it. seabeckind Jun 2016 #16
That's the time frame I was there. cpwm17 Jun 2016 #19
Who in their right mind? Chimpy McFlightsuit and his gang of warmongers, not LuckyLib Jun 2016 #20
Bremer and others in the coalition may have thought they were simply following the culture karynnj Jun 2016 #21
commander in cheap C_U_L8R Jun 2016 #5
Here's a little light evidence for you. seabeckind Jun 2016 #24
*soldiers* who embezzled funds from Iraqi reconstruction efforts? KamaAina Jun 2016 #6
Shameful. IllinoisBirdWatcher Jun 2016 #7
Trump is saying what conservatives think DoBotherMe Jun 2016 #9
That's right no concern except as a means to an end. These types don't care about anything or onenot Person 2713 Jun 2016 #25
NO, not Soldiers but Rumsfeld and Cheney Hawkmoon369 Jun 2016 #10
They didn't unload the planes. seabeckind Jun 2016 #11
It was Coalition Provisional Authority who was handing out bags of money with no accountability. tanyev Jun 2016 #12
Trump is just trolling now... Blue_Tires Jun 2016 #13
Hey, I believe him! TygrBright Jun 2016 #14
If anyone knows about dipping his hands into baskets of money matt819 Jun 2016 #17
So he's attacking the bush administration again? truthisfreedom Jun 2016 #18
Probably tRumps 0.01% class got tons more of it than the warrior class he is attacking. . . nt Bernardo de La Paz Jun 2016 #22
Trump's campaign is an attack on the establishment. seabeckind Jun 2016 #26
Wasn't Clooney in a movie about this? n/t Calista241 Jun 2016 #27
if he were President then, he would have been stealing the money himself. olddad56 Jun 2016 #28

steve2470

(37,457 posts)
1. Trump Camp: Iraq Theft Claims Weren't About U.S. Troops
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:43 PM
Jun 2016
http://www.nbcnews.com/card/trump-camp-iraq-theft-claims-werent-about-u-s-troops-n592671?cid=par-time-article_20141002

Donald Trump on Tuesday suggested soldiers who embezzled funds from Iraqi reconstruction efforts were "living very well."

"Iraq. Crooked as hell," Trump said at a rally in Greensboro, North Carolina. "How about bringing baskets of money, millions and millions of dollars, and handing it out?" he asked. "I want to know who are the soldiers that had that job because I think they're living very well right now, whoever they may be."

Trump's spokesperson insists he wasn't referring to American military personnel. "Mr. Trump was referring to Iraqi soldiers," Hope Hicks said to NBC News Tuesday evening.

The Trump campaign could offer no backup for its claim. The fund for distributing cash during the reconstruction was controlled by the U.S.-led coalition.

Roy Rolling

(6,911 posts)
3. Right....
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:52 PM
Jun 2016

The Iraqi Army was "bringing baskets of money...". BRINGING. What Iraqi Army division was BRINGING in millions of dollars into their own country?

 

fbc

(1,668 posts)
4. Where's the money?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:53 PM
Jun 2016

If Trump's ravings lead to an investigation of where all the billions in cash disappeared to, it would be a good thing.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
8. I remember stories about pallets of money.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:05 PM
Jun 2016

I thought we'd see some investigations but ....

Good thing we had Gates on the job to look into it.

 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
15. Yes, there were pallets of money sent to Iraq.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:51 PM
Jun 2016

I happened to marshal in plane-load of cash when I was deployed with the Air Force to Baghdad International Airport. The people that entered the plane said it smelled like cash, and some of them posed with the cash bundles.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
16. Here's an old article about it.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:56 PM
Jun 2016
How the US sent $12bn in cash to Iraq. And watched it vanish

The US flew nearly $12bn in shrink-wrapped $100 bills into Iraq, then distributed the cash with no proper control over who was receiving it and how it was being spent.
The staggering scale of the biggest transfer of cash in the history of the Federal Reserve has been graphically laid bare by a US congressional committee.

In the year after the invasion of Iraq in 2003 nearly 281 million notes, weighing 363 tonnes, were sent from New York to Baghdad for disbursement to Iraqi ministries and US contractors. Using C-130 planes, the deliveries took place once or twice a month with the biggest of $2,401,600,000 on June 22 2004, six days before the handover.

Details of the shipments have emerged in a memorandum prepared for the meeting of the House committee on oversight and government reform which is examining Iraqi reconstruction. Its chairman, Henry Waxman, a fierce critic of the war, said the way the cash had been handled was mind-boggling. "The numbers are so large that it doesn't seem possible that they're true. Who in their right mind would send 363 tonnes of cash into a war zone?"

The memorandum details the casual manner in which the US-led Coalition Provisional Authority disbursed the money, which came from Iraqi oil sales, surplus funds from the UN oil-for-food programme and seized Iraqi assets.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2007/feb/08/usa.iraq1
 

cpwm17

(3,829 posts)
19. That's the time frame I was there.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:06 PM
Jun 2016

I saw the delivery in May 2004. The story we were given was the it was Saddam's money.

karynnj

(59,501 posts)
21. Bremer and others in the coalition may have thought they were simply following the culture
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 02:16 PM
Jun 2016

when they gave money as baksheesh to local tribal leaders to get them to appear to come to our side. It also seems that they did not even keep records that detailed where the money went.

But, this was yet another Bush scandal.

C_U_L8R

(44,998 posts)
5. commander in cheap
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 12:56 PM
Jun 2016

Trump is such a loser, he blames our troops without a shred of evidence. His mind is clearly rotted by right wing conspiracy radio.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
24. Here's a little light evidence for you.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:09 PM
Jun 2016
The Fraud of War

U.S. troops in Iraq and Afghanistan have stolen tens of millions through bribery, theft, and rigged contracts.

U.S. Army Specialist Stephanie Charboneau sat at the center of a complex trucking network in Forward Operating Base Fenty near the Afghanistan-Pakistan border that distributed daily tens of thousands of gallons of what troops called “liquid gold”: the refined petroleum that fueled the international coalition’s vehicles, planes, and generators.

...

She began an affair with a civilian, Jonathan Hightower, who worked for a Pentagon contractor that distributed fuel from Fenty, and one day in March 2010 he told her about “this thing going on” at other U.S. military bases around Afghanistan, she recalled in a recent telephone interview.

Troops were selling the U.S. military’s fuel to Afghan locals on the side, and pocketing the proceeds. When Hightower suggested they start doing the same, Charboneau said, she agreed.

In so doing, Charboneau contributed to thefts by U.S. military personnel of at least $15 million worth of fuel since the start of the U.S. war in Afghanistan. And eventually she became one of at least 115 enlisted personnel and military officers convicted since 2005 of committing theft, bribery, and contract-rigging crimes valued at $52 million during their deployments in Afghanistan and Iraq, according to a comprehensive tally of court records by the Center for Public Integrity.

http://www.slate.com/articles/news_and_politics/politics/2015/05/u_s_troops_have_stolen_tens_of_millions_in_iraq_and_afghanistan_center_for.html


(bolding mine)
 

KamaAina

(78,249 posts)
6. *soldiers* who embezzled funds from Iraqi reconstruction efforts?
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Since when are Halliburton employees "soldiers"?!

IllinoisBirdWatcher

(2,315 posts)
7. Shameful.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:01 PM
Jun 2016

Retired Major General Paul Eaton, a former commander in Iraq, said the following:

"Trump's attack against the courageous American men and women who heroically worked to restore law and order in Iraq is at once uninformed and irresponsible, and is testimony to why Mr. Trump is unqualified to serve as Commander in Chief of the finest troops on the planet.

"From saying he doesn't like POWs because they were captured, to trying to get disabled veterans kicked out from in front of Trump Tower, to belittling service by calling his sexual exploits in the 80s his "personal Vietnam," it is clear Trump has no respect for military service, or the people who serve.

"For him to smear our troops and veterans as he has, it is disqualifying, as far as I am concerned."


http://www.votevets.org/press/trump-accuses-u-s-troops-of-stealing-and-living-well-off-of-iraq-funds

DoBotherMe

(2,339 posts)
9. Trump is saying what conservatives think
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:10 PM
Jun 2016

rank and file military are just tools for them, not warriors or brave or even appreciated. Just a means to an end.

Person 2713

(3,263 posts)
25. That's right no concern except as a means to an end. These types don't care about anything or onenot
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

in their isolated world. Soldiers are distained along with the rest of the masses

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
11. They didn't unload the planes.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jun 2016

Bremer helped.

And somebody helped Bremer.

I think when you turn over that rock you'll find a bunch of cockroaches. And I'll bet there are some who are still doing the same thing in a different theater.

tanyev

(42,550 posts)
12. It was Coalition Provisional Authority who was handing out bags of money with no accountability.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:27 PM
Jun 2016

You want to point fingers, Donald, you point them at Wolfowitz, Bremer, and Dan Senor.

Blue_Tires

(55,445 posts)
13. Trump is just trolling now...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:42 PM
Jun 2016

He must be making bets with his campaign manager on the most outrageous and offensive thing he could say and still have people love him...

TygrBright

(20,758 posts)
14. Hey, I believe him!
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:49 PM
Jun 2016

On the topics of embezzlement, chicanery, running cons, and sleazy financial dealings, this man is an EXPERT who knows whereof he speaks.

Break out the torches and pitchforks, we're heading to the VA home.....

wearily,
Bright

matt819

(10,749 posts)
17. If anyone knows about dipping his hands into baskets of money
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 01:59 PM
Jun 2016

it's Donald Trump.

Sure there was probably corruption. But, as in the case of Trump himself, it occurred at the top of the food chain.

seabeckind

(1,957 posts)
26. Trump's campaign is an attack on the establishment.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:07 PM
Jun 2016

Why is that so hard to fathom?

The wars were a total fiasco, mismanaged, etc. And that didn't end when Bush left office.

Trump will be ripping the scabs off of any f' up by any admin going back to the Carter years.

That puts "our" candidate in a very uncomfortable position. She either defends the f' ups or she does a me, too to Trump's criticisms.

And it gets even more uncomfortable when establishment mistakes land on her doorstep.

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