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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 05:37 PM Jun 2016

CIA medical staff gave specifications on how to torture post-9/11 detainees

Source: Guardian

CIA medical personnel acknowledged that placing detainees in small boxes barely large enough to fit their bodies inside was not “particularly effective”, but they still provided guidance permitting interrogators to continue using the so-called “confinement boxes” for hours on end.

Sensitive agency documents, declassified on Tuesday, provide a new level of detail on the intimate involvement of its medical staff during its post-9/11 torture program. Officials assigned to the Office of Medical Staff (OMS) provided precise specifications for enforcing sleep deprivation, limiting the caloric intake of detainees’ food, and the proper positions for waterboarding, as outlined in a 2004 document providing “guidelines on medical and psychological support” for torture.

In the event that a detainee stopped eating inside the agency’s unacknowledged prisons overseas, known as “black sites”, OMS advised that the preferred method to forcibly feed a detainee was rectally – a procedure that human-rights advocates have equated to sexual assault.

Since a 2014 Senate report criticized the CIA for running what it characterized as an ineffective, brutal regimen of incommunicado confinement, the agency has pointed to the involvement of OMS staff to claim it performed its torture within doctor-mandated safeguards. Yet human-rights-minded physicians say OMS staff violated a fundamental obligation of medical ethics – to do no harm – and instead provided agency torturers with a physiologically informed blueprint for inflicting pain.

Read more: https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2016/jun/15/cia-torture-program-september-11-medical-staff-instructions-details

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CIA medical staff gave specifications on how to torture post-9/11 detainees (Original Post) n2doc Jun 2016 OP
Oh my fucking gawd. PROSECUTE ALL TOTURERS!!! Iggo Jun 2016 #1
and still no prosecutions. Solly Mack Jun 2016 #2
We are looking Forward, not back n2doc Jun 2016 #3
Looking forward..... to it happening again Solly Mack Jun 2016 #4
Obama, where are you? jalan48 Jun 2016 #5
"Among the procedures discussed in the 2004 document" TwilightZone Jun 2016 #7
Has Obama gone after the torturers? Why not? jalan48 Jun 2016 #8
Maybe because chapdrum Jun 2016 #11
Nobel Prize winner. What a joke. jalan48 Jun 2016 #12
He's covering, er campaigning for Hillary. chapdrum Jun 2016 #10
You had it right the 1st time. Pastiche423 Jun 2016 #15
Yep, what a great country we live in Scalded Nun Jun 2016 #6
Good fucking God. Odin2005 Jun 2016 #9
and we fear and want to destroy taliban, al queda, isis, muslim 'terrorists?' elleng Jun 2016 #13
SICK, SICK, SICK democrank Jun 2016 #14
Depraved and reprehensible. tabasco Jun 2016 #16
Good faith may be established by, among other things, the reliance of the advice of experts. OnyxCollie Jun 2016 #17
At the very least the fact they have been named felix_numinous Jun 2016 #18

Solly Mack

(90,762 posts)
4. Looking forward..... to it happening again
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:01 PM
Jun 2016

and again - because they know what they can get away with now.

Scalded Nun

(1,236 posts)
6. Yep, what a great country we live in
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:15 PM
Jun 2016

daily shoot-em-ups, torture without consequence, hell from above (aka drone strikes) for those targeted and collateral around the globe, war on demand, crooks, idiots and vermin for our elected officials and a population that really doesn't care.

I've got that 'exceptionalism' glow today.

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
16. Depraved and reprehensible.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:57 PM
Jun 2016

This was your tax dollars at work under the criminal Bush/Cheney regime.

 

OnyxCollie

(9,958 posts)
17. Good faith may be established by, among other things, the reliance of the advice of experts.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:54 AM
Jun 2016


Here's Bybee's legal opinion:

Section 2340A makes it a criminal offense for any person "outside of the United States {to} commit or attempt to commit torture." Section 2340(1) defines torture as:

an act committed by a person acting under the color of law specifically intended to inflict severe physical or mental pain or suffering (other than pain or suffering incidental to lawful sanctions) upon another person within his custody of physical control.


18 U.S.C. § 2340(1). As we outlined in our opinion on standards of conduct under Section 2340A, a violation of 2340A requires a showing that: (1) the torture occurred outside the United States; (2) the defendant acted under the color of law; (3) the victim was within the defendant's custody or control; (4) the defendant specifically intended to inflict severe pain or suffering; and (5) that the act inflicted severe pain or suffering.

Section 2340 is pain that is difficult for the individual to endure and is of an intensity akin to the pain accompanying serious physical injury.

We next consider whether the use of these techniques would inflict severe mental pain or suffering within the meaning of Section 2340. Section 2340 defines severe mental pain or suffering as "the prolonged mental harm caused by or resulting from" one of several predicate acts. 18 U.S.C. § 2340(2). Those predicate acts are: (1) the intentional infliction or threatened infliction of severe physical pain or suffering; (2) the administration or application, or threatened administration or application of mind altering substances or other procedures calculated to disrupt profoundly the senses or the personality; (3) the threat of imminent death; or (4) the threat that any of the preceding acts will be done to another person. See 18 U,S.C. § 2340(2XA}-{D), As we have explained, this list of predicate acts is exclusive, See Section 2340A Memorandum at 8. No other acts can support a charge under Section 2340A based on the infliction of severe mental pain or suffering. See id. Thus, if the methods that you have described do not either in and of themselves constitute one of these acts or as a course of conduct fulfill the predicate act requirement, the prohibition has not been violated. See id.

Specific Intent. To violate the statute, an individual must have the specific intent to inflict severe pain or suffering. Because specific intent is an element of the offense, the absence of specific intent negates the charge of torture. As we previously opined, to have the required specific intent, an individual must expressly intend to cause such severe pain or suffering. See Section 2340A Memorandum at 3 citing Carter v. United States, 530 U.S. 255, 267 (2000). We have further found that if a defendant acts with the good faith belief that his actions will not cause such suffering, he has not acted with specific intent. See id. at 4 citing South Atl. Lmtd. Ptrshp. of Tenn. v. Reise, 218 F.3d 518, 531 (4th Cir. 2002). A defendant acts in good faith when he has an honest belief that his actions will not result in severe pain or suffering. See id. citing Cheek v. United States, 498 U.S. 192, 202 (1991). Although an honest belief need not be reasonable, such a belief is easier to establish where there is a reasonable basis for it. See id. at 5. Good faith may be established by, among other things, the reliance of the advice of experts. See id at 8.

Furthermore, no specific intent to cause severe mental pain or suffering appears to be present. As we explained in our recent opinion, an individual must have the specific intent to cause prolonged mental harm in order to have the specific intent to inflict severe mental pain or suffering. See Section 2340A Memorandum at 3. Prolonged mental harm is substantial mental harm of a sustained duration, e.g~ harm lasting months or even years after the acts were inflicted upon the prisoner. As we indicated above, a good faith belief can negate this element. Accordingly, if an individual conducting the interrogation has a good faith belief that the procedures he will apply, separately or together, would not result in prolonged mental harm, that individual lacks the requisite specific intent. This conclusion concerning specific intent is further bolstered by the due diligence that has been conducted concerning the effects of these interrogation procedures.

felix_numinous

(5,198 posts)
18. At the very least the fact they have been named
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:07 PM
Jun 2016

and exposed will have repercussions. The CIA should be prevented from protecting these people or relocating them, so they cannot continue practicing.

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