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w4rma

(31,700 posts)
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 06:48 PM Jun 2016

Jimmy Carter calls for return to publicly financed elections

Source: The Washington Post

In an interview with fellow former Oval Office holder Bill Clinton, Carter said the system encourages public participation in the electoral process. “Personally, I'd like to see public funds used for all elections — Congress, U.S. Senate, governor and president," Carter said at the Atlanta meeting of the Clinton Global Initiative.

Carter first criticized the Supreme Court’s "stupid Citizens United decision," which opened the floodgates for unlimited contributions in the presidential race. But he said, "another thing we could do is go back to presidential campaigns just using public funds for the general election," like the system that allowed him to effectively compete against incumbent Republican President Gerald R. Ford.

Carter, when he ran for the presidency, was a relatively unknown Georgia governor, but he and Ford both received $20 million in 1976 from the Presidential Election Campaign Fund, a post-Watergate reform funded by a $3 option on individual income-tax returns. The fund is supposed to level the playing field in presidential elections. To receive public money, candidates must agree not to accept private contributions.

More than $300 million now sits unused in the fund because most candidates no longer want to agree to its spending and fundraising restrictions. So far, the only major-party candidate to have sought public money in the 2016 primary was Democrat Martin O’Malley, the former Maryland governor.

Rep. David E. Price (D-N.C.) sponsored a bill to reform the system to bring it in line with modern election costs, but the measure has fierce Republican opposition.


Read more: https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/post-politics/wp/2016/06/15/jimmy-carter-calls-for-return-to-publicly-financed-elections/
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Jimmy Carter calls for return to publicly financed elections (Original Post) w4rma Jun 2016 OP
Well, we'd better throw him under the bus quick! bonemachine Jun 2016 #1
Damn straight Jimmy! Thank you for calling for an end to Oligarchy n/t 99th_Monkey Jun 2016 #2
Absolutely. AND we need to cap the cost Hortensis Jun 2016 #64
Bwas Bernie Sanders going to take public funding for his General Election campaign? brooklynite Jun 2016 #3
No. Though Bernie Sanders raised his funds from small donors, he raised too much money to qualify. w4rma Jun 2016 #4
+1 k & r ancianita Jun 2016 #11
Thanks for that info red dog 1 Jun 2016 #52
K$R tecelote Jun 2016 #5
Which candidates? robbob Jun 2016 #31
uh, The People! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #36
I meant if we want government funded elections robbob Jun 2016 #38
Each candidate, no matter the party should be funded equally. No private money in elections, none! Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #39
Sorry, when you wrote "the people" robbob Jun 2016 #40
In addition, there should be accurate exit polling done for all major elections... Raster Jun 2016 #6
+ 1 red dog 1 Jun 2016 #56
K&R. Duval Jun 2016 #7
Yeah, just get the yo yo's to vote for that sailfla Jun 2016 #8
He's right, of course, but this nation is too far down the rabbit hole to recover tabasco Jun 2016 #9
Yay! No more ... frazzled Jun 2016 #10
"Publicly subsidized" elections would be a more accurate term. Those fund raising drives w4rma Jun 2016 #12
Let's just return to Jimmy Carter. n/t jtuck004 Jun 2016 #13
Good idea Craig234 Jun 2016 #47
The spending caps are too low bluestateguy Jun 2016 #14
He's right, although the presidential election is not the real problem skepticscott Jun 2016 #15
excellent dreamnightwind Jun 2016 #21
Congressional corruption Craig234 Jun 2016 #46
I think Obama shut the door on that one pretty tight NobodyHere Jun 2016 #16
The public is ALREADY PAYING for elections THROUGH THE HIGH COSTS OF insurance, education, prisons.. vkkv Jun 2016 #17
+1000 KPN Jun 2016 #24
We've become a Banana Republic ruled ErikJ Jun 2016 #33
Thank You Sir, can we have another? Phlem Jun 2016 #18
Publicly funded elections would make politicians less corrupt - but that's not what politicians Little Tich Jun 2016 #19
Actually I think a lot of politicians would like to see it Craig234 Jun 2016 #48
K&R Yes to publicly financed elections felix_numinous Jun 2016 #20
Jimmy was a good President who got unfairly swamped by the times. But he's been a great former ... marble falls Jun 2016 #22
About your sig Craig234 Jun 2016 #45
I think we can pare it down even tighter. The policies that "help" the 1% won't keep a total .... marble falls Jun 2016 #50
President Carter probably would have won reelection in 1980 red dog 1 Jun 2016 #57
Whether Reagan stole it or not, the poblic got robbed. marble falls Jun 2016 #59
"The public got robbed" BECAUSE Reagan stole the 1980 election red dog 1 Jun 2016 #61
I agree- Citizen's United was a stupid decision…. midnight Jun 2016 #23
This is my absolute, number one issue! MoonchildCA Jun 2016 #25
But what is left out of the story is that to get anything moving it will take lots of money now tonyt53 Jun 2016 #26
Campaigns should be structured, like a good hiring process. Thorough, as fair as possible, etc. TryLogic Jun 2016 #27
Hillary Clinton should prioritize this. Eric J in MN Jun 2016 #28
The other major problem is America's ongoing Election Fraud... TheProgressive Jun 2016 #29
+ 1 red dog 1 Jun 2016 #54
A K-State math prof's analysis says Kansas almost certainly did not reelect Brownback. Of course tblue37 Jun 2016 #62
Sorry my bad , kacekwl Jun 2016 #30
Now if we could just get the Dems to agree. nt phazed0 Jun 2016 #32
You mean Dems other than yourself right since you are already a Democrat? cstanleytech Jun 2016 #34
I don't matter but for a vote... phazed0 Jun 2016 #35
The airwaves are public, tv, radio and internet should be forced to provide an equal amount of Dont call me Shirley Jun 2016 #37
Hear hear! robbob Jun 2016 #41
+ 1 red dog 1 Jun 2016 #53
Do you think the SmittynMo Jun 2016 #42
Perhaps a better question might be red dog 1 Jun 2016 #55
Fucking Amen! Phlem Jun 2016 #43
Why haven't I heard a word attacking Republins on this in Democratic campaigns? Craig234 Jun 2016 #44
Kicked and recommended. Uncle Joe Jun 2016 #49
This thread has been one of the most constructive ladjf Jun 2016 #51
K&R! red dog 1 Jun 2016 #58
"Publicly financed elections" == public money *added* to the corporate schmiergeld. n/t Old Union Guy Jun 2016 #60
Thanks Jimmy. Paper ballots too please. peace13 Jun 2016 #63
K&R. Yes please! Overseas Jun 2016 #65
K & R. Excellent plan President Carter. Many thanks, all the best and be well. appalachiablue Jun 2016 #66
Agree; and been saying it since the Republican scandal over Part D in Medicare Grins Jun 2016 #67
Former President Carter saidsimplesimon Jun 2016 #68
Yes and please. PoliticalMalcontent Jun 2016 #69

Hortensis

(58,785 posts)
64. Absolutely. AND we need to cap the cost
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 08:52 AM
Jun 2016

of elections at a very low level, using the miracles of IT to make that very possible. Public finance will be a terrible blow to the election industry and their every-2-year/2-year-long election cycles, but a cap on the money will finish it off as a profitable enterprise, and good riddance!

Important step to billion-dollar campaign chests and buying offices as head-shaking info in history books.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
4. No. Though Bernie Sanders raised his funds from small donors, he raised too much money to qualify.
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:29 PM
Jun 2016

The matching funds limits are too small to be useful, currently. Bernie raised more than his maximum allotted in a single month (without holding a single fundraiser).

General Election Limit: $96.14 million
Overall Primary Limit: $48.07 million

Candidates also must agree to:

• Limit campaign spending for all primary elections to $10 million plus a cost-of-living adjustment (COLA).6 This is called the national spending limit.

• Limit campaign spending in each state to $200,000 plus COLA, or to a specified amount based on the number of voting age individuals in the state (plus COLA), whichever is greater.

• Limit spending from personal funds to $50,000.
http://www.fec.gov/pages/brochures/pubfund.shtml#Primary

robbob

(3,522 posts)
31. Which candidates?
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 04:26 PM
Jun 2016

Dem and Rep? Green? Socialist Equality Party? Independent America Party? Prohibition Party?

There's quite a list of people running for POTUS, despite what the media would have you believe:

http://www.politics1.com/p2016.htm

...so who decides which parties get money and which ones don't qualify?

robbob

(3,522 posts)
38. I meant if we want government funded elections
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 09:28 PM
Jun 2016

If "the people" are funding elections there will always be some people who have more money to buy candidates with.

robbob

(3,522 posts)
40. Sorry, when you wrote "the people"
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 10:02 PM
Jun 2016

...I thought you meant through contributions, preferable small individual contributions, like Bernie did. Something that I found admirable, astonishing, and historic.

But did you click on my link? There are hundreds of parties and individuals running for president, the vast majority of whom I have never even heard of! You tell people the government is going to fund them all equally and you can bet that number becomes thousands! You don't see a problem with that?

Raster

(20,998 posts)
6. In addition, there should be accurate exit polling done for all major elections...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 07:48 PM
Jun 2016

...you know, just like the United Nations does all around the world... I believe President Jimmy could help us out there.

red dog 1

(27,757 posts)
56. + 1
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:16 PM
Jun 2016

But "accurate exit polling done for all major elections" won't stop the Rethugs from stealing elections via vote "flipping"

http://blackboxvoting.org

 

tabasco

(22,974 posts)
9. He's right, of course, but this nation is too far down the rabbit hole to recover
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:00 PM
Jun 2016

Democracy is a sham in the USA.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
10. Yay! No more ...
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:01 PM
Jun 2016

Mailbox filled every day, year in and out, with dozens of scream headers, bemoaning doomsday and asking to press the donate button at the bottom.

I really am tired of this. It's the single thing I'm really sorry Dean and mostly Obama initiated. It's turned into a monster.

I've always been for publicly funded elections, drawn from the tax dollars we pay. It will reduce all the ads as well as the insane length of never-ending elections.

 

w4rma

(31,700 posts)
12. "Publicly subsidized" elections would be a more accurate term. Those fund raising drives
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:11 PM
Jun 2016

won't end, since "matching funds" need funds to be matched to.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
47. Good idea
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:11 PM
Jun 2016

Most underrated president. But hey, let's let a few Iranian radical students pick our president.

bluestateguy

(44,173 posts)
14. The spending caps are too low
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 08:51 PM
Jun 2016

Candidates who take that money are tying their own hands, and that's why they don't take it.

So as David Price proposed, you have to raise the caps.

 

skepticscott

(13,029 posts)
15. He's right, although the presidential election is not the real problem
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:00 PM
Jun 2016

Congress is bought and paid for, and the laws they pass (or don't pass) are for the benefit of the buyers. Publicly funding House and Senate elections would transform the country like almost nothing else could. Every House race could be funded for $5 billion, which is chump change compared to what the corrupting of our lawmakers costs us in money and lives. The tax evaded by one major corporation would cover it. A campaign to educate people on just what corporate control of Congress is costing this nation would be a great start.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
46. Congressional corruption
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:10 PM
Jun 2016

The financing of Congressional elections is one critical issue.

And that one makes the price tag so high they have to spend half their time dialing for dollars - and to do THAT they obviously have to have policies a few wealthy donors find appealing. If not, they can post on DU instead of being in office.

But that's only part of the problem. Another critical issue is that over half of Congress and their staff members go to lobbying when they leave office - creating a massive industry of influencing votes replacing the public interest.

And since they know they're wanting to go to lobbying, they know they need to do what lobbyists want while in office.

This is why so often the only time the public interests has a chance is when there is a conflict between two powerful lobbying interests and one of them happens to align with the public.

But the public cannot compete giving money for a good cause with interests who make billions from their donations.

 

vkkv

(3,384 posts)
17. The public is ALREADY PAYING for elections THROUGH THE HIGH COSTS OF insurance, education, prisons..
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:19 PM
Jun 2016

Voters here in the U.S. must demand PUBLICLY FINANCED ELECTIONS with strict spending limits because if you look at the big picture, we ARE ALREADY PAYING for elections THROUGH THE HIGH COSTS OF insurance, education, prisons, crime, pharmaceuticals, energy, food (future food prices could sky-rocket with thanks to Mansanto) and even war. Much of the money you spend on goods goes into the pockets of a politician who may vote on legislation that is bad for you or worse, for the entire country.

You know the saying, "the best Congress money can buy! " - it is more truthful now than ever with the conservative SCOTUS ( 5 GOP appointed / 4 Dem appointed) making "Citizens United" legal. The word "Citizens" is really 'Corporations', but conservative leaders don't tell us that. Many Dem leaders have called for the end of "Citizens United" but not ONE single word coming from Republicans. Care to guess why??

We are quickly on our way to becoming a third-world country where leaders are paid-off by corporations and the "we people" are left out of the picture.

Little Tich

(6,171 posts)
19. Publicly funded elections would make politicians less corrupt - but that's not what politicians
Wed Jun 15, 2016, 09:38 PM
Jun 2016

want.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
48. Actually I think a lot of politicians would like to see it
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:13 PM
Jun 2016

But, the thing is, they can't get it - if they support it, they'll just lose office. It's not easy to get a 'revolution' among elected officials.

That's why it needs to be the people organizing - as Bernie says.

marble falls

(56,987 posts)
22. Jimmy was a good President who got unfairly swamped by the times. But he's been a great former ...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 05:55 AM
Jun 2016

President and a moral light. He should be President Emeritus of the United States.

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
45. About your sig
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:06 PM
Jun 2016

The far-right policies aren't even good for the 1%. They take a bigger share of a smaller pie, but even they'd do better with more distribution of wealth leading to more growth and a bigger pie for them to get a piece of.

marble falls

(56,987 posts)
50. I think we can pare it down even tighter. The policies that "help" the 1% won't keep a total ....
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 07:54 AM
Jun 2016

collapse from over running them every single one of them, too. You can't take it with you and you can't eat it either.

red dog 1

(27,757 posts)
57. President Carter probably would have won reelection in 1980
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:36 PM
Jun 2016

after the first debate when Ronald Reagan, without a teleprompter in front of him, lost that first debate and looked very bad.
After that debate, Carter was ahead of Reagan in all the polls.


But the "Reagan Team"..headed by William Casey, resorted to criminal acts to ensure that

A) The Iranian hostages were not released until after Reagan was elected
(Google "October Surprise&quot

B) White House CIA officer Donald Gregg stole President Carter's briefing papers for the
second presidential debate, (while Carter was out of town) made copies of them, then turned them over to George Will, who then "coached" Reagan before the second debate, so that Reagan knew ahead of time what President Carter was going to say during that 2nd debate, and thus, Reagan "won" that debate ("Well, there you go again&quot
(Google: "Debategate&quot

(I apologize for not providing links, but in this case, 2 Google searches will have to suffice)


In summary, Ronald Reagan STOLE the 1980 presidential election!

red dog 1

(27,757 posts)
61. "The public got robbed" BECAUSE Reagan stole the 1980 election
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 01:32 PM
Jun 2016

Donald Gregg, George Will, William Casey & all the other co-conspirators in "Debategate"
should have been prosecuted!

TryLogic

(1,722 posts)
27. Campaigns should be structured, like a good hiring process. Thorough, as fair as possible, etc.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:11 PM
Jun 2016

Many more questions from citizens, not preprogrammed or arranged by campaigns.

No more lies, manipulation of news and media, no more big money purchases of media, votes, voting machines, etc.

But, of course, anything fair or reasonable will face "fierce Republican opposition" for obvious reasons.

Eric J in MN

(35,619 posts)
28. Hillary Clinton should prioritize this.
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:13 PM
Jun 2016

HRC said during one of the debates that she's for publicly funded elections. Sanders regularly says that he is.

However, she usually says that she's against "unaccountable money." (More disclosure would be a smaller change.)

After the meeting on Tuesday, his statement said they discussed "real campaign finance reform." Her statement said they discussed "eliminating undisclosed money."

Public financing is an issue HRC can join with Sanders on without contradiction.

 

TheProgressive

(1,656 posts)
29. The other major problem is America's ongoing Election Fraud...
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 02:31 PM
Jun 2016

A democracy can only work when our elections are 100% fair and accurate.

Otherwise we get what we already have - a dysfunctional Congress/President, owned by he rich for the rich. They call it oligarchy.

tblue37

(65,212 posts)
62. A K-State math prof's analysis says Kansas almost certainly did not reelect Brownback. Of course
Sun Jun 19, 2016, 02:04 PM
Jun 2016

his administration is stonewalling her efforts to get access to the raw data to confirm her analysis.

Dont call me Shirley

(10,998 posts)
37. The airwaves are public, tv, radio and internet should be forced to provide an equal amount of
Thu Jun 16, 2016, 07:59 PM
Jun 2016

free advertising to each candidate.

robbob

(3,522 posts)
41. Hear hear!
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 03:16 AM
Jun 2016

Why should these huge corperations rake in millions (billions?) of dollars each election cycle? No wonder they are more interested in promoting a "horse race" then making any attempt to inform their viewers about the issues.

It's sickening and so transparent. Corperations donate tons of money to the candidates who turn around and give it back to giant media conglomerates to pay for election advertising.

red dog 1

(27,757 posts)
53. + 1
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 03:46 PM
Jun 2016

The airwaves are, indeed, public

"The equal time rule specifies that U.S. radio and television stations must provide an equivalent opportunity to any opposing political candidates who request it."
http://wikipedia.org/wiki/Equal-time_rule

red dog 1

(27,757 posts)
55. Perhaps a better question might be
Sat Jun 18, 2016, 04:11 PM
Jun 2016

"Do you think the Republicans will allow this?"

Answer: "Of course not!"

 

Craig234

(335 posts)
44. Why haven't I heard a word attacking Republins on this in Democratic campaigns?
Fri Jun 17, 2016, 05:02 PM
Jun 2016

"Rep. David E. Price (D-N.C.) sponsored a bill to reform the system to bring it in line with modern election costs, but the measure has fierce Republican opposition."

Thank you David Price (I just called his office to say thanks).

Why haven't we heard this issue as a campaign issue attacking Republicans for opposition in Democratic campaigns?

I don't mean the very general support for reform - Bernie has loudly supported that, Hillary has said she supports it also.

But Republicans are BLOCKING it and I haven't heard a word asking voters to oppose them for that - why not?

I think Democrats need to get lot better about holding Republicans accountable for obstructionism.

I hear about the issue from news and pundits but rarely from Democratic candidates. I think they should campaign on it.

 

peace13

(11,076 posts)
63. Thanks Jimmy. Paper ballots too please.
Mon Jun 20, 2016, 02:15 AM
Jun 2016

A unified set of National primary rules would be great as well. End black box voting and go back to balanced coverage of candidates on TV.

Grins

(7,188 posts)
67. Agree; and been saying it since the Republican scandal over Part D in Medicare
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:19 PM
Jun 2016

After that vote the Republican leadership alone (Hastert, Delay, Boehner and others) went into a close-door meeting and re-wrote parts of the bill that took away from the government the right to negotiate with drug companies for drugs that they bought for Medicare, and probably the VA, too.

Just like that - $22 Billion went into the pockets of Big PhRMA who had funded many GOP campaigns. A few months after Bush signed the bill into law, Republican Congressman Billy Tauzin announced that he was retiring from Congress and would be taking a job as - chief lobbyist for PhRMA, for a paltry salary of $2 million a year.

And that's just one case. There are probably hundreds of them every year.

I'd go further and fund elections for the House and Senate as well as state governorships. If it costs less than $22 billion, it's a steal.

saidsimplesimon

(7,888 posts)
68. Former President Carter
Tue Jun 21, 2016, 01:44 PM
Jun 2016

walks the walk and talks the talk, unlike some others. My love and sincere appreciation to both Rosalynn and James Carter.

I support his efforts to take "dark money" out of our election system. A concept even Senator McCain once supported.

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