CLINTON FAILED TO HAND OVER KEY EMAIL TO STATE DEPARTMENT

[Halliburton]

Source: AP

WASHINGTON (AP) -- Former Secretary Hillary Clinton failed to turn over a copy of a key message involving problems caused by her use of a private homebrew email server, the State Department confirmed Thursday. The disclosure makes it unclear what other work-related emails may have been deleted by the presumptive Democratic presidential nominee.

The email was included within messages exchanged Nov. 13, 2010, between Clinton and one of her closest aides, Deputy Chief of Staff Huma Abedin. At the time, emails sent from Clinton's BlackBerry device and routed through her private clintonemail.com server in the basement of her New York home were being blocked by the State Department's spam filter. A suggested remedy was for Clinton to obtain a state.gov email account.

"Let's get separate address or device but I don't want any risk of the personal being accessible," Clinton responded to Abedin.

Clinton never used a government account that was set up for her, instead continuing to rely on her private server until leaving office.



Read more: http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_CLINTON_EMAIL?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2016-06-23-17-19-35

[CurtEastPoint]

1. OMGGGG BENGHAZI!

[L. Coyote]

76. "her use of a private homebrew email server, the State Department confirmed Thursday...."

"private homebrew email server," I'm sure those were their very words.

I have lots of homebrew servers. They serve the best beer, but they won't send e-mails.

[NWCorona]

115. do you know why it's referred to as a homebrew server?

The the description is fitting in regards to the one Brian Pagliano built. Hillary had at least two servers actually.

[Ash_F]

146. The AP has been very kind to Clinton this cycle.

I am not sure why you are complaining.

[busterbrown]

105. OMGGG AGAIN!

FIND AN EXECUTIONER!

[SCantiGOP]

154. ALL CAPS

Shows that I am very, very SERIOUS.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

135. What does Benghazi have to do with whether Hillary turned over all her emails?

[libdem4life]

153. .The fact that she had one was discovered almost by accident

During the Benghazi hearings.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

159. Those who keep focusing on Hillary's past are doomed to a future of President Con-artist tRump.

[libdem4life]

165. Yes by all means go crawl under a rock

And cease to exist. Nay.

I'm concerned about the truth. Any problem with that?

Great message...tell the truth=a Vote for the Buffoon.

[chillfactor]

2. oh good god....

would you people get over yourselves already? enough of this shit is enough.

[Kingofalldems]

3. CALL THE POLICE NOW!!! The number is 911!!!111!

[Grassy Knoll]

38. LOL

[The Second Stone]

145. I love how they get around the civility rules by using CAPS LOCK

whenever attacking Clinton.

[DemFromPittsburgh]

4. I thought posts like this were supposed to end.

[scscholar]

15. This. This is not legitimate news.

It's just tabloid trash, and the FBI, and no one else in the government, has ever said there's even an investigation.

[B2G]

20. The AP is tabloid trash?

Who knew?

[Loki]

65. Would you care to explain "Hillaryland"?

I'll await your response.

[John Poet]

67. It's self-explanatory.

[SouthernDemLinda]

114. There has been an on going investigation for over a year-who knew

[L. Coyote]

151. It certainly can be.

[SusanLarson]

35. Oh really?

It may be from Fox News but even they can't manufacture quotes from the FBI director.

"Hillary Clinton for months has downplayed the FBI investigation into her private email server and practices as a mere “security inquiry.”

But when asked Wednesday by Fox News about Clinton's characterization of the bureau's probe, FBI Director James Comey said he doesn’t know what "security inquiry" means -- adding, “We’re conducting an investigation. … That’s what we do.”

The FBI director reiterated that he’s “not familiar with the term security inquiry” when told that is the phrase Clinton has used."

Here's another one from Vice Media..

In a separate, public declaration filed by Hardy in March, he said any documents the FBI retrieved from Clinton's email server, which would be responsive to VICE News' FOIA request, "are potential evidence in the FBI's investigation, or may provide leads to or context for potential evidence" and are exempt from disclosure under FOIA because they would be deemed law enforcement records.

"As this is an active and ongoing investigation, the FBI is continuing to assess the evidentiary value of any materials retrieved for the investigation from any such server equipment/related devices," the filing said. "Disclosure of evidence, potential evidence, or information that has not yet been assessed for evidentiary value while the investigation is active and ongoing could reasonably be expected to undermine the pending investigation by prematurely revealing its scope and focus."

In a footnote to the new declaration filed Monday night, Hardy said, "Due to the sensitive nature of the investigation, the number of FBI personnel and involved in and having knowledge of the pending investigation is limited."

What about directly from Barack Obama's White House?

Barack Obama's spokesman described the FBI's probe into Hillary Clinton's classified email scandal as a 'criminal investigation' on Thursday, less than an hour after the president endorsed his embattled former secretary of state to succeed him.

Josh Earnest told reporters during a White House press briefing that Obama was committed to keeping his hands off the investigation, trusting career investigators and prosecutors to follow evidence wherever it leads.

'That's what their responsibility is,' Earnest said. 'And that's why the president, when discussing this issue in each stage, has reiterated his commitment to this principle that any criminal investigation should be conducted independent of any sort of political interference.'

Then you have the fact that they don't give immunity to people, unless there is a planned prosecution, now it may not be directed at Clinton but it is news, and it is legimate.

[99th_Monkey]

40. "no one else in the government, has ever said there's even an investigation. " <-- that's bs

Director Comey himself flatly made a point of saying "the Clinton email thing IS an
'investigation', and NOT merely an 'inquiry'.

http://abcnews.go.com/Politics/fbi-director-questions-hillary-clintons-description-fbi-email/story?id=39048269

You cannot just manufacture your 'facts' from thin air.

[scscholar]

77. No, he was speaking in general...

about what the FBI does. Please provide a link, especially something on a .gov site, that says there's an investigation.

[InAbLuEsTaTe]

136. That's true, but, whether there's an investigation or not, we've hitched our wagon to Hillary... not gonna change horses mid-stream. So why bother with this crap now?

[99th_Monkey]

138. FBI Director Comey's statement was in direct response to Hillary's claim

that the FBI was merely conducing a "security inquiry" ... and Comey's response is
very clear to everyone with basic reading comprehension skills. But I'll lay it out for
you, here:

Even though Hillary Clinton has repeatedly described the FBI probe over her use of a private email server as a "security inquiry," FBI Director James Comey today questioned the use of that phrase.

“I don’t know what that means," Comey told reporters today in Washington, D.C "We’re conducting an investigation. That’s the bureau’s business. That’s what we do."

One reporter noted that former Secretary of State Clinton often refers to it as a "security inquiry."

The word "investigation" -- "it’s in our name,” Comey responded. “And I’m not familiar with the term ‘security inquiry.’”

[7962]

117. No investigation? Then what are those FBI agents doing? Goofing off?

The FBI Director says there's an investigation, is he lying?

[lewebley3]

25. Agreed: this post is a violation of the DU rules: its a primary thing: and it

is bashing a Dem.

[99th_Monkey]

46. Do you think this is NOT going to be an issue in the GE?

This is not 'bashing a Democratic presumptive nominee', it is merely reporting
factual news that is relevant to the election cycle.

[Duval]

124. It is very relevant.

We're going to hear this over and over again from the Republicans.

[lewebley3]

155. Rules are no primary issues,and this is not factual news: it's bashing

[cstanleytech]

53. No, posting it isnt a violation in and of itself since you can be sure some will probably try to use

the email issue to hurt her so all the laundry should be well aired before the election that way no surprises can occur.

[lewebley3]

156. It is a a violation: the emails was a political attack on Hillary nothing

more.

[cstanleytech]

157. Of course the investigation is purely an attempt to attack her but that doesn't mean

news articles about the investigation are automatically going to be locked.

[B2G]

74. So alert on it.

Let's see what happens.

[Reter]

116. Wow, they don't show the hidden post anymore?

What has DU become with this new jury system?

[NWCorona]

123. I was wondering why I haven't seen any hidden posts lately.

[alfredo]

139. They're hidden, that's why :)

[cstanleytech]

158. Because it's after the 20th. NT

[Pauldg47]

31. Did you get the letter too from these people.... I'm supposed to "shut my mouth".

[Thinkingabout]

5. She as with others has the right to delete personal emails. What is the

Problem? Why should SOS Clinton be held to a different standard?

[elleng]

11. 'Because.'

[JoePhilly]

41. Because ...

... they hate her.

[Thinkingabout]

47. Yes, it shows.

[loyalsister]

86. Any idiot who takes on a high profile position knows better

Before running for office or raising one's public profile in any way, a person sacrifices some privacy. That's part of the deal because we have a free press, social media and most importantly sunshine laws designed to hold people and the government accountable.

[Thinkingabout]

107. She had the right to delete personal emails, has been allowed to others and it should

Not be a double standard.

[loyalsister]

122. It shouldn't have been an issue

And wouldn't have been if she had done pretty much everyone knows to do if they don't want to mix their personal and professional email. She could have done what Colin Powell did, for example, and had second email account. This was unforced and completely unnecessary.

As it stands, questioning whether she was actually trying to avoid transparency and may possibly have deleted work email is legitimate.

[Thinkingabout]

132. I disagree, emails could have consisted of discussing personal matters between Hillary and

Others she may have had a personal relationship, such as planning her daughter's wedding and her mother's end of life, personal and just as others has done in the past she was entitled to delete those.

[loyalsister]

141. could have is the key

Since they're gone, we don't know. It's an open question that can't be confirmed one way or another.

[libdem4life]

166. 30,000 emails is one heck of a social

and family life...just sayin'

[Octafish]

167. What if she was mixing official business with personal business?

Is that why she assigned a lawyer to make the determination?

Personally, that's why I was so much against the Bush administration mixing war making and war profiteering.

[Laurian]

6. OH, NOOOOO!

I'm so over this stuff.

[Human101948]

12. Nevertheless compelled to make a comment...

In addiction terms, an enabler.

[Suburban Warrior]

7. ZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZZ...

[missingthebigdog]

23. How does this help her get elected?

Skinner has said that criticism of the nominee is permitted if it is constructive criticism. How is this constructive??

[Pauldg47]

39. If she did get elected, could she be impeached?

[missingthebigdog]

44. Doubtful, as this isn't related to her duties as President.

But why are we talking about that? How does this discussion fit into the stated purpose of this site, which is getting the democratic nominee elected?

[ProudToBeBlueInRhody]

133. Does that matter to Rethuglicans?

They'll impeach no matter what.

[Pauldg47]

140. They tried to impeach bill.

[missingthebigdog]

48. And here we go.

She is the presumptive nominee. The primaries are over. The votes have been counted. She has won.

[anigbrowl]

59. You should try using your bold button more carefully

I see forgot to bold willfully for example, which is rather important because it gives someone a pass if they accidentally deleted something. There's no big smoking gun in the content of this email - which arguably straddles the border between professional and personal, given Huma Abedin's prior relationship to Clinton as her personal aide - and demonstrating the required mens rea for this would be virtually impossible.

[tk2kewl]

13. not.at.all.

[elleng]

14. Right, and it should be, cali.

[AtheistCrusader]

18. If it were President Bush, we'd all be flipping the fuck out right now.

All of us.


I cannot ignore that dichotomy.
http://www.nbcnews.com/politics/elections/hillary-clintons-personal-email-use-differed-other-top-officials-n316611

That said, this is by no means a deal breaker, given the options in the running.

[guillaumeb]

30. Agreed on all points. Well put. eom

[farmbo]

52. Oh Really? Bush & Rove ran 3 Mm emails

... Thru a private server at the RNC and your heroic FBI crime stoppers did nothing...zero... Zilch.
No investigation, no seizure of the server... Nothing.

Its only when a Clinton is involved that people get in a tizzy.

[AtheistCrusader]

62. Pretty sure we were all pissed about the deleted e-mails, actually.

I don't recall a single person dismissing or deflecting on that issue.

[Igel]

80. Two points are relevant.

First, a lot of people flipped out. Many were thoroughly tizzified.

Second, a lot of the restrictions on email handling were put in place as a result.

[anigbrowl]

63. Speak for yourself

I would be perfectly happy to defend Bush against an unfair accusation, and I make a policy of Hanlon's razor - never ascribe to malice what can be adequately explained by stupidity. While we put systems and rules in place to overcome the natural tendency of humans to make mistakes and bad decisions, it doesn't follow that every screwup is equally disastrous or mendacious. Carelessness or ineptitude should certainly be criticized, but when people reflexively flip out over anything to the point of being deranged then they are no longer helping their cause or frustrating that of their opponent.

[fleabiscuit]

81. +1

[OnyxCollie]

97. Change Clinton to Bush

and this thread reads like Freeperville, circa 2007.

[Ikonoklast]

106. Many of the same people also are all for killing off Due Process, and unlawful searches.

In the name of "Public Safety".

Just like Freepers did right after 9/11.


But it's all good when Democrats do it.

Yay, team!

[7962]

118. I always use my "Bush filter"; what would I say if W was doing the same thing?

Whatever the "thing" may be. Not just email, but any action or statement

[mercuryblues]

119. so why are the

republicans up in arms over 1 email, when Cheney deleted 4 million? Then set fire to his server?

Why the double standard?

Powell used gmail or yahoo and deleted ALL of his email.

Why the double standard?


Baby boosh and company also ran their emails through the RNC server.

So why the double standard?

If nothing they did was considered illegal, why are people pushing for the indictment fairy to come after H. Clinton?

[AtheistCrusader]

152. Because republicans do double standards. It's kind of their thing.

[cstanleytech]

27. How does behaving insultingly towards Clinton supporters help matters?

Do you really think it will sway their opinion of her in any meaningful way or did you simply do it to make yourself feel better?

[OKNancy]

29. It's possible, especially if you read the entire article

and upon reading, it appears that those who poo-pooed it were correct.
This is really no big deal. She obviously considered it a personal email.
Huma turned it over, so there is really nothing there.

It does hurt. I agree. The press, and Judicial Watch and the Republicans will do anything they can to bring her down.

[cstanleytech]

36. It might hurt but will it be enough to derail her vs Trump who has his own baggage?

I kinda doubt it atleast as long as he keeps opening his big bigoted mouth.

[Grassy Knoll]

10. WOO WEE WOO WEE WOO WEE

[Human101948]

17. Yeah!

https://i.chzbgr.com/completestore/16/6/2/SFZjv8DeZEC3I-eqqwxkfA2.mp4

[BootinUp]

22. lol nt

[Herman4747]

16. Hillary -- Failures are not an option! n/t

[63splitwindow]

19. Simple question Haliburton...

Do you support Trump over Clinton?

[63splitwindow]

50. I just wonder if Haliburton believes...

that attempting to tear down Clinton serves a good purpose and, if so, what?

[cstanleytech]

68. I dont think its relevant atm who they support.

The simple fact is that the republicans will use this or atleast try to and its probably better to get everything even BS like this out in the open for all to see before the election really kicks in rather than have it end up being a last minute surprise which is harder to counter.
I suspect though that this will once again turn out to be nothing but more smoke because if they actually had something tangible to use against her they would have used it long ago.

[George II]

21. It never ends, does it. What is the point of posting this on DEMOCRATIC Underground?

[4139]

24. Thankfully it is Nutty busy news day....this story will be on page 22'tomorrow

[NNadir]

26. I was under the impression that posting right wing generated crap wasn't allowed here anymore. n/t

[PoliticAverse]

34. You think Associated Press articles are going to be banned from DU? n/t

[DemFromPittsburgh]

55. 6) KHAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAANNNNNN!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[pnwmom]

32. She knew that when she sent email to staffers with .gov accounts it was being

retained there.

This one didn't get printed out, but that was obviously inadvertent. She knew that Huma Abedin had the same email at her end so there would have been no reason to attempt to hide it.

[swhisper1]

130. right

[broadcaster75201]

33. Don't care n/t

nt

[tavernier]

49. NOBODY cares.

[mindwalker_i]

66. Then why are there so many replies to this story?

[mcar]

42. Zounds!

[Squinch]

54. And EGAD!

[DesertRat]

51. WHAT?

[Laser102]

85. When she becomes President. Not if. This is another pile of you know what. Why is this here?

[yardwork]

57. WHY ARE YOU SHOUTING

[JoePhilly]

60. Because nobody cares.

[missingthebigdog]

64. In his or her defense, The headline linked to

was in ALL CAPS.

It was also red, although that probably isn't relevant . . . .

[cstanleytech]

71. Yup its the headline and we arent allowed to modify headlines. nt

[JonLeibowitz]

83. The AP is right wing? The AP that preemptively declared the nomination for Hillary???

[missingthebigdog]

84. Did you mean to reply to me??

All I said was the headline was all caps....

[JonLeibowitz]

87. Oh I thought your comment that it was 'red' was snark about it being RW. apologies.

[missingthebigdog]

102. LOL

No, the headline at the link is literally all caps and in a red font.

[Loki]

61. Ah, Judicial Watch

just won't give up.

[alc]

69. I come to DU for answers

Like how to respond to people in person who bring up topics like this. "Skinner says we can't discuss it" doesn't go over so well in the real world.

If it's a valid article (AP?) it would be helpful to have an actual discussion like I may have with someone at work.

[TwilightZone]

82. It's the same Judicial Watch nonsense.

Freaking out over every "revelation" in the case isn't going to accomplish anything.

It's still Judicial Watch, a right-wing nutjob organization.

It's still a nonsense lawsuit that isn't going anywhere.

That's pretty much all anyone needs to know to counter any argument about the case. The minutiae of the case means little at this point. The underlying ridiculousness of the case hasn't changed.

[Pluvious]

160. You make a most valid and reasonable point

We here should not be like the willfully ignorant climate change deniers.

If mistakes were made, and errors of judgment committed, much better to face them, and work out mitigating solutions and reflect on lessons learned.

[Paladin]

70. I don't give a shit. (nt)

[SansACause]

72. House launches yet another investigation

Because YEE HAW WE DONE GOT HER THIS TIME!!!

[randome]

88. BECAUSE THIS IS SO FUCKING IMPORTANT! NO IT'S NOT! I DON'T KNOW WHAT I'M TALKING ABOUT!

[AntiBank]

89. OP cut n pasted AP headline, I always decap manually, many dont

[AntiBank]

92. yep

[PoliticAverse]

94. Thank you for decapping. n/t

[sarcasmo]

78. Screen name Halliburton. Erik Prince, is that you?

[DemocratSinceBirth]

79. Thank you for bringing this to our attention.

[fleabiscuit]

95. IMHO

The interesting part of a post sometimes is who REC's vs who posted. I was born a cynic though.

[byronius]

91. This is the Onion.

Right? Silly. Soooo silly.

It's all real in Onion Land.

[Evergreen Emerald]

96. why are you yelling?

[B2G]

98. Copy and paste of the headline

As is required.

[TwilightZone]

128. Leaving it all caps is not required.

Let's not get ridiculous.

[B2G]

129. Let's get nitpicky instead. Nt

[tenderfoot]

99. Hillary Clinton couldn't touch the level of evil set by Dick Cheney in a million years.

Spare with me with this BULLSHIT!

[liberalnarb]

113. +1

[passiveporcupine]

100. What exactly is the horrible state secret in this obviously encrypted message?

Seriously though...who cares who saw or didn't see this e-mail. Unless it's code for something else, it's a big fat zero on the alarm scale.

[DCBob]

101. This sounds like something related to personal issues.

Perhaps she should have included it just to be sure but I can easily see how this one might have been tossed in the personal pile.

[JonLeibowitz]

109. LOL

[DCBob]

112. OLO

[TheDebbieDee]

103. In order to impeach her, we HAVE to elect her!

Go Hillary!

[johnp3907]

104. I like cupcakes.

[Frances]

108. WHY IS THIS HEADING IN ALL CAPS WHEN OTHER HEADINGS ARE NOT CAPATILIZED?

[Kingofalldems]

110. BECAUSE ALL HEADLINES ABOUT HILLARY'S EMAILS ARE IN ALL CAPS

It's a rule.

[Adrahil]

111. BECAUSE BENGHAZI!!!!

[CurtEastPoint]

148. I got called out above for referencing Benghazi. Someone doesn't see the sarcasm.

[videohead5]

120. The State Department

Sent Hillary a list of what to search for on her server.her lawyers did the search and saved the e-mails.her server was never scrubbed or wiped according to the IT company so all those e-mail would be recoverable.

[NWCorona]

125. You know there's more than one server right?

Also Hillary has said that it was her and her attorneys that came up with the search words.

[videohead5]

127. What Other Server?

She only had one she turned over to the FBI.if there was another server the Rethugs would be bitching about it.

[NWCorona]

137. There's at least two servers.

The first one was built by Brian with off the shelf components. When Hillary contracted with that Denver based server farm the original was shipped to secured storage. The new on was a standard rack mounted server. The FBI has both.

[Cryptoad]

121. Ohhhh NO,,, EMAILS,,,,, Oh the horror of it all!,,Drink!

[GeorgeGist]

126. You want fries with that ...

nothingburger?

[videohead5]

131. IF SHE WAS REALLY TRYING TO HIDE SOMETHING

Then why did she turn over those 22 so called top secret e-mails?...they found this e-mail in Huma Abedin's e-mails that she turned over.Huma is one of the people that did the search for Hillary's emails.if they were trying to keep this email hidden why would Huma turn it over?...this is so stupid.

[pnwmom]

134. Welcome to DU, videohead5. Always nice to meet someone with common sense. n/t

[cstanleytech]

143. It could be argued that it just got lost due to the sheer volume of emails

that they were asked to provide.
Of course it all could have been avoided if her email server had been done properly and if she had used an official government email address for all her work related correspondence............that or just done what the varies Bush administration officials did and do a better job of getting rid of any truly incriminating emails of a criminal if such emails were to exist on her server at all.

[transatlantica]

142. Perjury?

"Last year, Mrs. Clinton certified under oath to a federal court that she had turned over all the work-related emails in her possession on her private server. “I have directed that all my e-mails on clintonemail.com in my custody that were or potentially were federal records be provided to the Department of State, and on information and belief, this has been done,” she wrote in a document filed in U.S. District Court in August."

[cstanleytech]

144. You might want to reread it because based on that quote I dont see a hope in hell of a perjury

charge sticking if thats what she said.

[videohead5]

147. It May Have Not Been on Her Server

I have had e-mails just disappear on me before.Huma turned this e-mail over.it's not like they were trying to hide it.

[karynnj]

150. That is not the "out" -" I directed" is

The FBI may have all the email if they were able to recover them. Even if they found them, they would need to prove that she knew this one was missed.

[cstanleytech]

161. Exactly, so unless they have Carnac the Magnificent on call to read her mind they

will probably have a hard time proving she hid or withheld any emails deliberately.

[ileus]

149. As long as we're doing it that's fine.

You can always trust our side, it's their side that's the enemy.

[Walk away]

162. Desperate hope dies hard.

Fascinating!

[XRubicon]

163. THANK YOU HALLIBURTON!!111!!!1111!!!!!!

Tell Dick I said hello.

[leftyladyfrommo]

164. I just don't care

It was years ago. It's all water under the bridge.

Nothing happened. The bad guys didn't get anything.

Let it go.

[coyote]

168. Oh thank God

Please let the FBI know it's all good and to "let it go"

We can then finally move on and unite.

[MisterP]

169. "there is absolutely nothing in Clinton's emails that merits indictment"

--Vladimir Putin

[leftyladyfrommo]

171. She had 65,000 e-mails.

Do you really think she or anyone else could keep track of all of that?

[Sunlei]

170. some people get to attached to their BlackBerries!, even Obama didn't want to change off his :P

[NoodleyAppendage]

172. Any political wounds are self-inflicted

Reading through the response threads to this the impression I get is that people believe that this is "no big deal," and they may very well be right, but the problem rests not in the likelihood or not of impropriety but in the undeniable appearance of something shifty going on. If Clinton were completely self-aware and prescient, I suspect she may not have taken this private server route during Secretary of State, because it has only come back to haunt her a thousand times beyond any simple FOIA request may have caused her. Love her or hate her, this server problem is a politically self-inflicted wound.

...and what the hell was Bill thinking with the Lynch plane visit!? Another self-inflicted wound.

J