Dozens Burned After Fire-Walking Event At Tony Robbins Seminar

[deminks]

Source: CBS

DALLAS (CBSDFW.COM) – Dozens of people were burned Thursday night after walking over hot coals at a Tony Robbins motivational seminar in Dallas, and at least five of those hurt had to be hospitalized, officials said.

Ambulances lined the outside of the Kay Bailey Hutchison Convention Center just after 11 p.m. to take the most seriously injured to Parkland Hospital.

Dallas Fire-Rescue also asked for a DART bus to serve as a staging-area for 30 to 40 people less seriously hurt.

“Apparently, as part of a motivational event being held at the location, several people attempted to walk across hot coals,” said Dallas Fire-Rescue spokesman Jason Evans. “As a result, a large number of these people sustained burn injuries to their feet and lower extremities.”

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[msanthrope]

1. Jeebus. nt

[trusty elf]

2. Sigh....

[dhol82]

3. Stupid is as stupid does

I wouldn't buy a used car from Tony Robbins.

[GusBob]

51. The stupid, it burns

[OldRedneck]

4. Well, obviously . . . .

. . . their faith was not strong enough.

[lunatica]

65. losers!

[progressoid]

5. “We can use the fire walk as a metaphor to overcome our fears..."

Apparently they overcame common sense too. After two or three people get burned, maybe you should stop and re-evaluate the safety of the metaphor.

[Chemisse]

27. That's the real question.

Why did people continue to try this when those going before them were being hauled off in ambulances?

[jtunes]

29. blindly overcoming one's fears, is one of the most dangerous things you can do

as it presupposes that fear serves no positive purpose - fear is a survival mechanism

it can be manipulated, it can be out of control and need serious adjustment - but it should never be blindly turned off

Tony just gave us a great demo why - these people were afraid of getting burned, they overcame their fear of being burned, then they were burned - in this instance, they would have been better served to simply respect their fears

and I don't think this is the first time that one of Tony's fire walking demos ended with burns

[Delphinus]

46. Hi jtunes!

Welcome to DU!

[peabody]

48. Yes, very true indeed.

And a big welcome to DU too!

[bucolic_frolic]

6. Pyramid MLM Marketing

through rose-colored narcissistic personalities that exploits the weak
and the poor

Hot coals, you say?

[elljay]

57. They may have been weak

but doubtful that they were poor. These seminars aren't cheap! These were likely well-heeled and well-educated people.


https://www.tonyrobbins.com/events/unleash-the-power-within/san-jose-11-10-2016/#pricing

http://charlesngo.com/tonyrobbinsbusinessmastery/

[enid602]

79. well done heels

Not so 'well-heeled' now.

[elljay]

80. Overdone! nt

[DinahMoeHum]

7. Methinks the firewalking site was not prepared properly.

. . .or too many people were doing it at once.

It's physics, not mind over matter, that allows one to walk over a bed of hot coals.

http://www.pitt.edu/~dwilley/Welcome.html

http://www.pitt.edu/~dwilley/Fire/FireTxt/fire.html

[BumRushDaShow]

9. Not unlike

laying on a bed of nails.

I had a physics professor for one of the 3 physics courses that I had to take in college (electricity and magnetism class) do just that - I think on the first day of class. He even donned a turban.

[longship]

17. This is not the first time a Robbins event resulted in this.

You are correct that it is physics. The heat conduction of coals is low, so if one walks quickly one does not get burned. But that isn't what Robbins tells the suckers who pay for his seminars.

That's why it goes wrong with him.

Myself? I wouldn't try it even though I know the trick.

I have done the bed of nails many times, even with as many as three people laying on top of me.

But no thank you to the bed of coals.

Tony Robbins is a dishonest kook.

[Warpy]

77. The only point in his favor is that he doesn't use god to fleece his acolytes

and doesn't insist on tithing until death do them part. It's still religion of a sort that he's selling.

[longship]

81. I see nothing in this douchebag's favor.

He is bilking his seminar attendees and putting them in danger with his kookery by lying to them.

[titaniumsalute]

22. Yeah the combination of a few things

The coals are supposed to burn to a level where they have a big coat of ash on them. That creates an insulation effect. Plus each step needs to be brisk so your feet only touch for a partial second each time. If the coals are still very hot without much ash, if people walk too slow, etc. they will get burned.

[Igel]

37. Or somebody had the bright idea of not following directions.

"Hey, you don't need to follow him. Whose he to tell us how to do this? Let's do it my way." You motivate people to think they can do anything they want and what happens? They think they can do anything they want.

It's why that Ikea "manual" includes all sorts of stupid warnings. I'm seriously surprised that they don't include pictures with a big X through them of people sticking screwdrivers or drill bits into their eyes. Then again, no jury would punish Ikea if a buyer did that, so they have no motivation to print that. But that something tall and thin with a high center of gravity might fall over and hurt somebody ... That, apparently, enough jurors have decided isn't obvious.

(Think about that next time you hear somebody say, "All we want is common sense reforms." Yeah, in a civilized society that would be nice. But first we need a civilized society.)


As for it's being physics, yup.

Problem is, as one actor on a tv show accurately put it, "Physics is a bitch." It's utterly uncaring and demands its due at all times. You have to play, you can't win, and at the very, very best all you can do is break even. There is no "my way". But you can still get a lot done by selective sacrificing of energy and matter and playing according to the rules that physics is. I tell the non-STEM kids that it's like Mozart--even if you don't like his music, he's regarded as great. But he's great because he mastered the common-practice rules for "good harmony" and did everything he wanted within them instead of being hammered by feelings of oppression that either hobbled him or made him write music that nobody much wanted to hear but "broke the bounds of oppression" in a crumb-y fashion.

[Skittles]

83. physics and idiocy

[mshasta]

8. next challenge jumping off a cliff

[FrodosPet]

68. Barry: Burger King marketing retreat puts employees' feet to the fire

http://www.chron.com/life/article/Barry-Burger-King-marketing-retreat-puts-2015383.php

DAVE BARRY, Knight-Ridder Tribune Published 6:30 am, Sunday, November 4, 2001

A while back I read a fascinating business-related article in my newspaper, the Miami Herald (official motto: "The Person Who Was Supposed to Think up Our Motto Got Laid Off&quot . This article, which was written by Elaine Walker, concerned an incident wherein employees of the Burger King marketing department walked barefoot over hot coals.

If you're unfamiliar with modern American corporate culture, you're probably assuming that somebody spiked the Burger King coffee machine with LSD. Nope. The fire walking was a planned activity on a corporate motivational retreat, supervised by a professional fire-walking consultant to whom Burger King paid thousands of actual U.S. dollars.

According to the Herald article, the consultant also had the Burger King marketing people bend spoons, break boards, smash bricks, bend steel bars with their throats and walk over a bed of sharp nails. American corporate employees are required to do this kind of thing all the time, and for a sound business reason: Their management has lint for brains.

~ snip ~

The point is that subjecting employees to physical abuse is a standard corporate motivational technique that has proved, in study after study, to be a highly effective means of transferring money to consultants. Still, you might think that employees would draw the line at walking on hot coals, on the grounds that they could, theoretically, burn their feet. This would seem to be especially obvious to employees of Burger King, a company whose main product is a graphic example of what happens to flesh that is exposed to high temperatures.

~ snip ~

[Cryptoad]

10. Well,,,,

these people pass the GOP test to own a gun!

[Judi Lynn]

59. Powerful people like gun owners might be looking for new ways to exhibit their powers!

[center]

[/center]
They could take their guns with them, and shoot the coals should they get burned. A man's feet are his castles.

[Orrex]

11. Mmm. Grilled fillet of sole.

[Surya Gayatri]

15. Bad pun wins thread...

[Orrex]

35. The universe demands that some jokes be made

If someone asks you "what is the soup du jour?" you must answer "it's the soup of the day."


A burned foot story demands an appropriate response.

[Nay]

34. OMG. Here we go. Where's Pinboy?

[Orrex]

38. That heel? He's my arch enemy!

[Nay]

39. I can't stand it. Just can't.

[Kali]

53. how can you be so callus

about DU's corny punmaster?

[Orrex]

56. Nailed it.

[Thor_MN]

66. With Corn and Bunions?

[Vinca]

12. I wonder how much they paid for the privilege of being total fools.

[elljay]

58. Starts at $650

and goes up to 3k. Personally, I recommend buying a Weber grill and a bag of charcoal instead. You can at least grill steaks while recovering from your wounds.

https://www.tonyrobbins.com/events/unleash-the-power-within/san-jose-11-10-2016/#pricing

[Vinca]

61. Holy shiite! Proof positive you can sell anything to a stupid person.

Wonder if they were alums from Trump University.

[elljay]

69. Mostly good Democrats where I live

Lots of upper middle class and wealthy housewives who read self-help books, eat gluten free diets and can't figure out why their lives are meaningless. For the same entry level $650 they can walk down the block from this San Jose venue and feed some hungry families. But they wouldn't think of doing that.

[Vinca]

71. Maybe they need scars on their feet to remind themselves of what is important.

[elljay]

72. They'll just post

on their mailing lists, a request to be referred to a homeopathic healer. They live in an economic and social bubble and never see beyond it.

[IronLionZion]

13. How Stuff Works: Coal Walking

[rurallib]

18. makes you wonder if Tony Robbins out sourced the coal bed preparation

to some clown that pays his workers less than minimum wage.
Cutting expenses is key these days.

[safeinOhio]

14. Just had to google him

https://www.tonyrobbins.com

Sounds so good.

[kairos12]

16. People are dumb ash holes.

[Snarkoleptic]

19. They also got burned when shelling out big $$ for his seminar.

I've read that I can cost up to $10K for a week long handjob.

[jtuck004]

20. You have to think happy thoughts to fly... n/t

[leftyladyfrommo]

21. I saw this once at a Rema seminar.

Nobody got burned but people moved one at a time and walked really fast.

I had no desire to try it.

[Botany]

23. UNLEASH THE POWER WITHIN DALLAS | JUNE 23-26, 2016

[tiptonic]

24. Trumpsters

Bet they would vote for the Trumpster. How much did they pay for the honor, of being idiots?

[TomVilmer]

25. I have done it - without faith and Tony Robbins

You need a good mix for this kind of Barbecue, just like when you play with fire on your body or mouth. And then the faith part is not to be scared, but walk in a relaxed state. It is just a party trick, but can give a sensational feeling - if you cheat the blisters.

[TNNurse]

26. Can we find out who Robbins supports for President??

He has always seemed slimy, oily and creepy to me.

[oberliner]

36. Take a look at this

[JonathanRackham]

28. Trump University burnt people worse.

[Historic NY]

30. Tony Robbins is motivated.....

by putting your dollars into his pockets,

[rladdi]

31. i JUST pray that some where Gov. Abbott and the AG of TX.

[camelfan]

33. It happened four years ago...

in my city. Sigh. Here's The Young Turks talking about it.

[link:

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[CanSocDem]

43. Some things are always 'newsworthy';

Especially when there's an opportunity to bash alternative science theories.

And while this video exploits one of my political hero's (Cenk), his guest has all the best lines: '...all the mumbo jumbo positive thinking stuff is more important than PHYSICS????...' the guest asks incredulously.

But Cenk gives the piece credence by expressing the doubts that we hear around here, all the time. Personal Power doesn't count for anything.

Fact is, they are many documented examples of people using their personal belief system to affect cures. This premise is dangerous to the med-science based free market even though they themselves use the techniques of propaganda by mass marketing another placebo cure rather than researching the power of a personal belief system.

'Walking on coals' is almost elementary in the discovery of personal power.


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[packman]

40. You know, some things you just gotta laff about

Sorry about the hot feets, but Jeezus , how stupid must one be. If I was standing in line (which I'll NEVER be) and I saw the guys in front of me being foot burned and screaming - I'll think "Well, maybe not "

Wonder if they'll get a refund.

[rocktivity]

41. And now for something completely similiar

BBC: Two people have died and 19 others were taken to hospital after being overcome while in a sauna-like room at a spiritual retreat in Arizona...

The resort offers a wide range of treatments from massage to colon cleansing, healing carried out by harnessing the consciousness of a dolphin, or "vortex experiences", in which participants "experience our human energy system interacting with the earth"...Reports said some of the sweat lodge participants had paid up to $9,000 for their stay...

(A) tent was gradually filled with steam generated by pouring water on to fire-heated rocks...The sweat lodge has traditionally been used as a ceremonial sauna in rituals practiced by some Native American cultures...The intense experience can be dangerous to people with pre-existing medical conditions or if the sweat lodge is poorly constructed or badly managed...

USA Today: ...James Arthur Ray was sentenced to prison on three counts of negligent homicide in the sweat-lodge trial...(The) judge...imposed two-year sentences for each of the three death...to be served concurrently. He was also ordered to pay a total of $57,000 in restitution to the families of the victims...

Prosecutors aggressively made the case that Ray had ignored plenty of warning signs that his events were becoming dangerous, and that his stated desire to become the world's first "self-help" billionaire led him to become increasingly careless at his events...(The judge) limited prosecutors' efforts to introduce testimony about prior sweat lodges and other events led by Ray at which participants were injured...

A tearful Ray...repeatedly begged forgiveness and promised that he would never conduct a sweat lodge or other physically dangerous activity again..."There's not one single day that passes that I don't re-live the moments of that night...I didn't know that anyone was dying or in distress. I wish to God I would have..."

He wished to God he would have? Well, isn't that special -- he certainly wasn't guilty of bad sportsmanship.


rocktivity

[tabasco]

42. There's a shocker!

[font size=4]Imbeciles burned while walking over hot coals!!!![/font]

[tclambert]

44. The trick to walking on hot coals is: don't dawdle.

If you stride briskly across and wipe your feet on the wet grass afterwards, you won't get burned. Stopping, hesitating, getting stuck in a traffic jam can lead to bad burns. It's all just a trick, not some sort of demonstration of spiritual power.

Of course Robbins claims it was a successful event because some people didn't get burned. They just got fleeced and he made money. That's the real success of the event.

[ailsagirl]

49. IMO, he's "a bit" of a huckster n/t

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[hamsterjill]

45. Well, there are dumb asses

And then there are some really dumb asses.

Makes one simply shake her head....

[ailsagirl]

47. So much for mind over matter n/t

[LuckyLib]

50. The intersecting of these idiots and Trumpistas

is no doubt quite significant.

The stupid just never ceases to amaze me!

[AtheistCrusader]

52. Winner.

[enid602]

54. gotta love it

This could only happen at the Kay Bailey Hutchinson Convention Center.

[Vogon_Glory]

55. Maybe They Should Have Kept That Exxotica Expo After All

It would have been a LOT safer--even with the whip ladies.

😜

[Night Watchman]

60. DUHHHHH!

[Jazzgirl]

62. Dummies.

n/t

[sakabatou]

63. There is a technique to walking.

Apparently, no took it to heart or the technique wasn't taught.

[47of74]

64. Facepalm

[niyad]

67. at least nobody died in this stupidity.

[okasha]

70. Yet another reason why appropriating

another culture's rituals is not a good idea.

[AlbertCat]

73. another culture's rituals

Well,


Being burned by hot coals is not a cultural ritual... Its physics...something people should pay more attention to.

[okasha]

74. Fire walking is is a cultural ritual in Polynesia.

[AlbertCat]

75. Fire walking is is a cultural ritual in Polynesia.

Yes I know.

But I bet they burn themselves all the time... until they can judge efficiently how deep the ash is. See...physics again...

[okasha]

76. I doubt it very much, since they've had centuries to get the technique down.

[skepticscott]

82. Yes, and as we all know

indigenous peoples are perfect and never make mistakes. Unlike Westerners.

[stopbush]

78. Video from the Tony Robbins event:

[Release The Hounds]

84. Not about fire but still funny