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workinclasszero

(28,270 posts)
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:00 AM Jun 2016

Wall St. plunges at the open after shock Brexit vote

Source: Reuters

U.S. stocks plunged at the open on Friday, with the Dow Jones average falling more than 500 points, after Britain's vote to quit the European Union delivered the biggest blow to the global financial system since the 2008 financial crisis.

Investors worried about the outlook for the world economy sought refuge in the dollar and other safe-harbor assets such as gold and U.S. Treasury bonds, while dumping riskier shares. The yield on the U.S. 10-year bond hit its lowest since 2012.

Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-usa-stocks-idUSKCN0Z918E

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whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
5. Actually, exactly right.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:34 AM
Jun 2016

I bought HSBC, BCS and JPM. I'll let you know when I sell them. Shouldn't be long (and even if it is a while, all have nice to extremely nice dividends.)

 

Silver_Witch

(1,820 posts)
7. My son says it all the time to me...
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:57 AM
Jun 2016

I just laugh as if I have any money to buy. Lost everything in 08!!!! Good luck to you though my friend!!

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
8. Why did you lose it? Only way is by selling on panics. That's a time to buy not sell.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:59 AM
Jun 2016

The time to sell is when people start talking about permanent bull markets and books like "Dow 36,000" are popular.

haele

(12,645 posts)
14. Not everyone is into stocks...and that time was bad if you didn't have a lot of extra money around
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 03:56 PM
Jun 2016

Lots of the ~ $100K yearly income workers and investors in '08 who thought they were secure and were doing the right thing lost jobs and houses, or were so downsized, they may have just as well lost their job or home. Both situations would definitely equate to "losing everything" to someone who had thought they were living the American Dream.

Also, people who were retiring during that period lost a crapload in 401Ks and pensions that went under - many accounts lost up to 30% in '08 and continued losing through '10 before they started coming back. Hell, my Vanguard 401K portfolio lost a total of 12% across '08 and '09, and it wasn't until 2013 that I supposedly "recovered" it all back.

My FIL, a retired executive in the "upper middle class" tier (not "wealthy", just well off), ended up going back into consulting full time at the age of 70 so he wouldn't have to dip into his investment principle to maintain his comfort - his losses on his pensions (the Traveler's pension went seriously pear shaped) and investments were that bad.
Nice that he had friends in high places to be able to give him a temp position for a couple months at a time...everyone else I knew who had been laid off suffered through months (even years) of unemployment/under-employment or periods of subsidized "re-training" for non-existent work.

"Letting it ride" is not always an option if you aren't able to work additional hours - or able to work, period - and have to start using that retirement or those investments or you lose your house.

Haele

whatthehey

(3,660 posts)
17. ...and they're all gone. Got a JPM dividend coming too.
Thu Jul 14, 2016, 09:36 AM
Jul 2016

I suspect all will continue long term to appreciate but I'm a short term guy. I'd rather sell for 2% gain and move on the next temporarily depressed stock over and over again than pretend I have the skill to accurately predict a large annual gain. It's much easier to buy a big drop and catch a small rebound then rinse and repeat.

IronLionZion

(45,403 posts)
13. That's exactly how the Warren Buffets and Donald Trumps of the world succeed
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 12:32 PM
Jun 2016

when people were losing everything in 08, the big fish were buying it on sale.

You don't need much to invest. Vanguard's minimum investment is around $1000 for their STAR fund. There are other brokerages that have minimums in the $100s and are designed for young or low income people to start their savings and investment. You don't have to be wealthy to invest. That's a myth.

haele

(12,645 posts)
15. You don't have to be wealthy to invest. But you have to be lucky not to need the money.
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 04:29 PM
Jun 2016

I love the anyone can do it investment hype. Not that investing isn't a good thing if you can afford it, but investing regularly is the only way to grow your money, and that's where the difficulty comes in. If you have an income, heck, even if you're one of the people who stand by the freeway off ramp with a cardboard sign for coin, there's always money to invest if you don't care about what they call in economics "the opportunity cost".

I'm not talking about the "Morning Starbucks" or "Afternoon Soda from the machine" type of opportunity cost to investment.

Too many people can't even afford $25 a month without getting the electric shut off to invest or risking the last week of the month without food or the gas money to get to work. And if they decide to invest in something they have to hold on to, and not first put their spare change in an emergency fund that doesn't cost anything to access immediately if they need it for, say, a car repair or to make up a rent payment if they had a shortfall in working hours or become unemployed, then they've screwed themselves and their investment. First thing to do, build an emergency free or very low monthly fee savings account with at least three, preferably six months of bill payments. Then you can invest. Of course, investors would prefer your emergency account will be in investments because they profit every time you need to pull money and tend to have fairly high annual fees on minimum level accounts.

Something I've learned over the years - it takes one month of income to recover financially from one week of unemployment. At least one month to make up for late or overdraft fees incurred. And if you put off repairs or payments because you couldn't afford them, or you've got a medical bill hanging over your head, or if you had to purchase COBRA to cover a lapse period in your health insurance, there's another month or two, as things get worse.

Try running a budget for a family of four with a household budget of $28K a year in most urban areas. Most of them don't even qualify for a Credit Union account, not to mention a bank account.
I suppose they could live in a car or in a truck camper shell that one of the adults uses to get to work, using someone's driveway or public facilities for their sanitation and that friend's address for their mail, and then they might be able to save significantly enough to regularly put in a STAR fund or a brokerage account that won't end up be eaten up by the minimum fees on the months they can't spare the money. I suppose the young people who are investing in their college or training because there's no subsidized education available to get them an above minimum wage can cut back on their hours or delay their training.

Investing is good. I appreciate the meager investments I have that remain after medical emergencies, emergency funeral arrangements, several short bouts of part-time income or unemployment, etc. I especially appreciate my father in law's investments, and my parent's investments, both having accrued during more stable times when these people were lucky enough not to deal with significant emergencies during their lifetimes, and could invest the suggested 7 - 10% a paycheck for a long period of time.

But advising someone to "invest, invest, invest" when they are not in a stable enough financial situation to invest is destructive to that person.

Too many Americans are not in a stable enough financial position to put money aside.

Haele

IronLionZion

(45,403 posts)
16. I would start with savings
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 08:38 PM
Jun 2016

just a simple savings account can help.

I promise you I am not trying to sound condescending. I just feel it is not only possible, but very important for everyone to save and/or invest as much as they can afford. This highlights why we need important programs like Social Security and Medicare to help our elderly.

bucolic_frolic

(43,111 posts)
4. It's a summer Friday
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:33 AM
Jun 2016

the markets go to sleep about 11 am

The Brexit Hangover will be revisited, with vomitings, several times I think

C_U_L8R

(44,996 posts)
6. I was going to go to England
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 10:37 AM
Jun 2016

to shop for amazing deals,
but then my stock portfolio got wiped out.

(sarcasm)

edhopper

(33,543 posts)
10. The market hates uncertainty and change
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 11:06 AM
Jun 2016

the economic impact on places other than Britain are minimal.

The markets will recover in a relatively short time.

ripcord

(5,311 posts)
12. It is amazing what people will panic ovrr
Fri Jun 24, 2016, 11:17 AM
Jun 2016

There was a run-up this week of people who wanted to cash in on Britain staying, we are only a few points down from last Friday.

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