Multiple people stabbed at neo-Nazi event outside Capitol in Sacramento

[deminks]

Source: LA Times

Multiple people were stabbed Sunday outside the Capitol in Sacramento after clashes between neo-Nazis and counter-demonstrators, officials said.

The Sacramento Fire Department described the incident as a “mass casualty event” and said it was treating patients. A public information officer said on Twitter that at least five people were rushed to hospitals, some with critical injuries.

A neo-Nazi group had planned an event at the site for several weeks, and there was an effort on social media for others to protests against them.

Read more: http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-neo-nazi-stabbed-20160626-snap-htmlstory.html

[NutmegYankee]

1. This happened a few weeks ago as well.

Neo-Nazis are the most disgusting people on the planet, but they have the right like any other American to stage a public rally. Not sure who started the violence, but it appears to have ended just like that other event.

[olddad56]

9. in Sacramento?

[NutmegYankee]

11. Anaheim

http://sfist.com/2016/02/29/kkk_member_from_san_francisco_arres_1.php

[MADem]

2. Trump rally? nt

[redstatebluegirl]

3. The blood is on Trump's hands.

He has given these people permission to come out from under their rocks. This is on Trump, no doubt.

[NobodyHere]

29. Sadly neo nazis have been holding rallies long before Trump came on the political scene

Although with that said, CNN is claiming that the leader of the group that started this rally is a Trump supporter.

[IronLionZion]

4. When will these people learn to assimilate

into civilized American society?

All supporters/sympathizers of neo-nazi groups should be deported from America immediately and kept out until we can figure this out.

[npk]

21. LOL, no other country would take them

We are stuck with them. Best to ignore them. The protesters only give them more attention and credibility to like minded idiots

[applegrove]

5. I wonder why the KKK feels optimistic enough about membership to hold a rally......

gee, what could it be.... and I wonder what Trump will say about it.

[applegrove]

15. People in critical condition but they are alive. Thank god there was not AR-15.

[Purveyor]

6. The whole damned world is going off the rails... I worry about the rest of this summer, indeed. eo

[csziggy]

7. The rally was organized by an affiliate group of the Traditional Worker Party

From the Southern Poverty Law Center:

Meet the New Wave of Extremists Gearing Up for the 2016 Elections
Keegan Hankes
October 19, 2015

<SNIP>

TWP {Traditionalist Workers Party}, formed in January of this year as the political wing of the Traditionalist Youth Network (TYN), an identitarian-inspired umbrella group that aims to indoctrinate high school and college students into white nationalism.

According to the TWP website, “TradWorker is less about the candidates and campaigns than it is about building relationships of loyalty and support at the neighborhood and community level.” The site goes on to say, “Our mission is defending faith, family, and folk against the politicians and oligarchs who are running America into the ground. We intend to achieve that goal by building a nationwide network of grassroots local leaders who will lead Americans toward a peaceful and prosperous future free from economic exploitation, federal tyranny, and anti-Christian degeneracy.”

Such language, disingenuously cloaked in claims of love for one’s “own people” as opposed to hatred for anyone, is typical from TWP’s virulently racist and anti-Semitic parent organization.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2015/10/19/meet-new-wave-extremists-gearing-2016-elections

[840high]

8. ty

[bluestateguy]

10. Link is behind a password wall

nt

[alp227]

28. disable cookies for latimes.com

Or try this site: http://www.sacbee.com/news/local/crime/article86099332.html

[doc03]

12. I wonder what Trump will say about this n/t

[progree]

13. VIDEO

Multiple people stabbed in Sacramento after clashes between neo-Nazis, counter demonstrators

[NWCorona]

14. Yeah, what could go wrong with a "Nazi mega-rally"

Here's a non subscription link.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/mass-casualty-stabbings-nazi-rally-sacramento-california/?ftag=CNM-00-10aab7e&linkId=25934997

[NobodyHere]

16. California Nazis

I hate California Nazis

[ThinkCritically]

17. Sacramento was probably one of the worst places to have a Nazi rally.

There are a lot of college students, liberals, and OWSers here. Maybe that was their motive? Incite a brawl? Who knows. All I know is you can see the anti-fascists taking the white supremacist flags and just beating the shit out of them with the flag poles. I would have loved to go film it but I didn't know it was happening.

[riversedge]

20. Looks like a fairly large anti-protesters lining up before the scheduled event (by the Tradition-

alist Workers Party).


....
Frances Wang Verified account
‏@ABC10Frances

"Counter protestors" in place already for a protest at noon put on by alleged "Nazis" coming to the Capitol. @ABC10

[GummyBearz]

32. Nah

They got publicity for whatever cause they claim to support. I'm sure there is a small group of leaders celebrating how successful it was, while the brain washed morons are getting stitches in the ER. Same playbook, different century

[uppityperson]

18. Who stabbed who? I can't tell from the article, thanks.

[npk]

22. Nazis got their asses handed to them

Bunch of skin heads got stabbed. No big loss.

[uppityperson]

23. On another thread, it says counter protesters were stabbed by neonazis.

http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1251&pid=2219992

[npk]

24. That's weird.

My sister lives in LA and she said local news there was reporting that a large group of counter protesters stole a bunch of the Nazis flags and then then all heck broke loose. The people who were stabbed early in the chaos were the Nazis. Not sure if any new fights that might have broken out where the counter protesters were stabbed. But I guess it's possible some protesters could have also been hurt as well

[bluestateguy]

27. No LA county jury will convict someone for stabbing a Nazi

though I understand why, for the sake of the law, they need to be arrested.

[Hekate]

30. It would be quite surprising if the counterprotestors were carrying knives & prepared for mayhem

That's really much more of a neo-nazi thing, don't you think?

Altho in your prior post you appeared to approve that kind of violence aslong as the skinheads got it. ?

[npk]

33. I don't know who brought the knives

But reports are that several counter protesters showed up with bats and other weapons and perhaps some have knives. Skin heads are known to be cowards and while they might have been armed with knives it is just as likely they got stabbed by the counter protesters who outnumbered them btw. When all hell breaks loose anything can happen.

And no I am not condoning violence. But if a white supremacist were to walk into a black congregation and for example shout "Fuck All You N####s" and then got their asses beat I would not be at all surprised or feel any empathy for them. If any skin heads here were stabbed then police should do their jobs and arrest the people who committed the stabbing. That is their job not mine

[NobodyHere]

41. I think the counter protesters showed up ready for violence

They were organized by a group called "By Any Means Necessary" per CNN.

[ZombieHorde]

47. I wouldn't be surprised at all.

There are some on the the far left, particularly anarchists, who have no tolerance for Nazis and other fascists.

[chapdrum]

61. Good thing that's relegated to

"the far left."
Leave it to them to overreact.

[Person 2713]

54. Both sides had injuries . Depends on the focus of the report she saw. Note what ABC,CBS witnessed

Video shot by an ABC10 reporter of several fights showed the two groups bashing each other with sticks and throwing objects in a violent, chaotic fracas. Blood stains were visible on the ground and several of those involved were bleeding following the fights, including two neo-Nazis visibly bleeding from their heads.

Police officers witnessed a Klan member stab someone with a knife, an officer told CBS. A counter protester was also found stabbed inside a vehicle, CBS reported.

[Rhiannon12866]

34. KCRA reported 6 were stabbed and 5 taken to the hospital

But none of the injuries were life threatening. Those injured were counter protesters at the neo nazi rally. The footage they showed on MSNBC showed a very large crowd with a response from firefighters, emergency personnel and law enforcement...

[Rhiannon12866]

36. That's what MSNBC reported as well.

They were going by reports from KCRA, NBC affiliate. They said 6 people were stabbed and 5 hospitalized, none of the injuries were life threatening. Those injured were counter protesters at a neo nazi rally and Sacramento is currently on lockdown.

[bluestateguy]

19. My thoughts and prayers go out to all the non-Nazis who were injured.

nt

[Stuart G]

25. What is to say???

sad....

[AngryAmish]

26. Trumping TeaBaggers are always violent.

[Agnosticsherbet]

31. Traditionalist Worker Party, a white nationalist group,“to protest against globalization...

"Traditionalist Worker Party, a white nationalist group, was holding a march Sunday “to protest against globalization and in defense of the right to free expression,”

Nationalism, racism, and isolationism is a toxic mix.

[Person 2713]

52. Right to free expression.. to stab someone ?

[vkkv]

35. “They got one of us but we got six of them,”

An organizer of the rally who wasn’t at the Capitol, said on a web live stream that one person from his group had been stabbed and was being transported to the hospital.

“They got one of us but we got six of them,” he said.





"Oh look, a band, let's go over there."

[OldHippieChick]

37. What are we becoming?

I am saddened to see that some are actually applauding the fact that any people were hurt, no matter who they are or what they believe. We cannot descend into this hole or we are all lost.

[amandabeech]

43. You are not alone.

This is not good news. The idea behind the First Amendment is to let idiots expose themselves as such by allowing them to make fools of themselves in public. Physically attacking people for speech just gains more sympathy for the speaker and makes the attackers look like idiots.

You are right. This is how really bad things get started.

[reign88]

46. Freedom of speech

has been under attack for a while now. Certain types of speech are just not allowed apparently, and now it's to the point where it's OK to stab people you disagree with.

Unless in defense from violence, it can't be condoned. Whoever started this is at fault, and speaking your beliefs isn't "starting" anything.

Sad stuff. Not even sure how we put this genie back in the bottle.

[amandabeech]

49. Glad to read some sense here on DU.

There's something to be said for old-fashioned civics classes that teach the basic principles of our system. I had one class in 8th grade and one in 12th. It would never have occurred to me to become violent toward someone who said something that I didn't like. Now, it seems that no one will stand up and explain how the system works.

[murielm99]

39. It is never a good idea to show up

as a counter-protester at one of these events. These Nazi types are known for their violence and they thrive on it. Also, it gives more publicity to their hate. Stay away! Let them hold their futile events.

Law enforcement hates these things. They have to protect the Nazis, and all the others who show up. The extra police protection costs the taxpayers a lot of money. Stay home and find other ways to show your support for increased diversity in our country.

[Socal31]

40. Why counter-protest?

Nobody would have even known about this "rally" if everyone just ignored it.

[NobodyHere]

42. +1

[bluestateguy]

44. I've come to believe that that is a bad strategy

You can say, "oh, it's only 50 Nazi assholes. Just ignore 'em and don't give 'em the attention they want". So you do that.

But then the next Nazi rally has 100 people, and you do the same thing.

Then the next one has 250 people. Same non-response, and now there is nobody challenging their message at all.

"Maybe if nobody is challenging the message, the message isn't such a bad idea", some dumb dumbs will think.

Then the next rally has 1000 people, and see where this is going?

[brett_jv]

63. OTOH if we ignore these toolbag's 'rallys' no matter how many people show up ...

Eventually they stop showing up cause nobody's paying attention. All they want is attention ... ignore them and they'll probably just crawl back into their parent's basements ...

[padfun]

65. Well, they havent crawled back. They've voted instead

Now they have their candidate running as president.

[arcane1]

66. Except they've been holding rallies for decades and their numbers don't double after each one n/t

[paleotn]

45. that does make a lot of sense.

their motivation is publicity. Don't give that to them and they go away.

[ZombieHorde]

48. They don't go away. nt

[awoke_in_2003]

64. So true

They don't go away, until people make them go away.

[andrew_house]

50. Words cannot describe how terrifying this is

I fear that we'll see more of such wanton violence as November nears. Trump and his supporters seem eager to destroy this country from within.

[bathroommonkey76]

51. From the Daily Mail article:

"It is not known which group the injured are from, but neo-Nazi bragged 'they got one of ours but we got six of theirs'"

Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3661138/At-five-people-injured-including-critical-mass-stabbing-neo-Nazi-rally-California.html#ixzz4Cja38jIj

[Person 2713]

53. That's how it sounded in the Post both sides had injuries . Escalated chaos

Video shot by an ABC10 reporter of several fights showed the two groups bashing each other with sticks and throwing objects in a violent, chaotic fracas. Blood stains were visible on the ground and several of those involved were bleeding following the fights, including two neo-Nazis visibly bleeding from their heads.

Police officers witnessed a Klan member stab someone with a knife, an officer told CBS. A counter protester was also found stabbed inside a vehicle, CBS reported.

[bathroommonkey76]

56. Look at the chaos in this video

You can see rocks being thrown & people screaming--- A couple of Neo-Nazis were holding their heads at the end.

[link:https://twitter.com/ABC/status/747177558563688448|

[kimbutgar]

55. Wait any moment Don the con will be sending solidarity support to the neo nazi's

[bathroommonkey76]

57. White supremacist in charge of today's Neo-Nazi rally in Sacramento is notorious Trump supporter:

[link:https://twitter.com/bubbaprog/status/747227821949452290|

[Rhiannon12866]

58. Somehow, that's not surprising.

The KKK seems to like him, too.

[3catwoman3]

59. I cannot imagine living...

...every day so filled with hate.

[davidthegnome]

60. I do not think violence is the answer.

I really wish more people in America and throughout the world would actually go and read about Gandhi and what he accomplished - and how.

One thing to consider though, is how angry the general populace must be if things are getting to this point. Perhaps we should ask ourselves why. Think of your co workers, friends, families. There's a lot of people suffering. We have hunger on a truly massive scale, homelessness that is simply unacceptable, gun violence in the streets every single day. We have people working 80 hours a week making less than eight dollars an hour. We have people who are dying because they cannot get health insurance, or their medications, or the treatment they need for their illnesses.

We have a sadly deeply underfunded educational system, a pretty broken legal system, crumbling infrastructure. A social safety net that is catching fewer people with every passing year...

So when these racist, ignorant asshats come out in to the open to stir up more shit and suffering for those who are already facing it... anger, even rage, is a very normal reaction. Does it justify the violence? No. It is counter-productive in that it simply encourages the cycle to continue, every incident like this will likely breed more hate as it tends to grow when you feed it the same.

We should also, perhaps, not make the mistake of underestimating the potential damage this kind of thing can do. This is what happened today... what will happen tomorrow? How do we stop things like this from happening again? How to we defuse the anger in this Country that has grown to such a toxic level?

In my opinion... if we abandon the war on drugs, perhaps we can begin a righteous war against poverty, instead. If we stop spending so much money on military projects that never bare fruit, perhaps we could instead invest that money into our education... where we can teach our kids about people like Gandhi and what they accomplished.

The answer is never to meet ignorance, hate and cruelty with violence. Self defense is one thing - and I am not a pacifist. However, no matter how despicable someone's point of view may be, no matter how hateful the venom that comes from their mouths... it does not give us the right to attack them in the street. It does not give one the right to attempt to kill them. Minds change - the minds of neo nazis, KKK members - and so on. They change through education, through enlightenment, through the power of genuine realization and rehabilitation. Beating the crap out of them, however, or stabbing them... encourages the kind of message they want to spread.

[riversedge]

62. Leader of Neo-Nazi group involved in Sacramento stabbings is a Trump supporter who assaulted a black

This was reported on msnbc also.


(((Robert Sandy))) Retweeted
Stop Trump PAC ‏@StopTrumpPAC 46m46 minutes ago

Leader of Neo-Nazi group involved in Sacramento stabbings is a Trump supporter who assaulted a black woman at rally.