U.S. Supreme Court Backs Gun Curbs in Domestic-Violence Cases

[jpak]

Source: Bloomberg News

The U.S. Supreme Court backed the broad application of a federal law barring firearm possession by people convicted of misdemeanor domestic violence, ruling it could be used against two men convicted under a Maine law.

Read more: http://www.bloomberg.com/politics/articles/2016-06-27/u-s-supreme-court-backs-gun-curbs-in-domestic-violence-cases

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edited to include link

Vote was 6-2!

Will update

[Human101948]

1. Have they suddenly gone sane?

Won't it be sweet to have two or three new justices appointed by a Democrat?

[geek tragedy]

2. once of the crazies died nt

[former9thward]

14. Is Sotomayor a crazy?

She was one of the no votes.

[MariaThinks]

39. that's weird.

[passiveporcupine]

65. I'm trying to find her reason for dissent, but I'd say no

However, the NRA certainly is when they pull this stuff:

Over the past 10 years, the gun lobby and some criminal defense groups have made a fairly concerted attack on the Lautenberg Amendment on various fronts to weaken its reach and try to return gun rights to batterers.

All they are doing is defeating themselves when they side with domestic abusers. And it shows they don't even understand the repercussions of their own stupid actions.

http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/06/supreme-court-says-no-guns-wife-beaters

[MariaThinks]

40. scalias death has saved countless lives

[JustAnotherGen]

3. Plus 1

[Jennylynn]

4. Doesn't seem to matter. These guys are doing fine. Today anyway, lol. Nt

[The Velveteen Ocelot]

5. The departure of Fat Tony

to the exceedingly warm climes of the hereafter has helped their sanity quite a bit.

[Feeling the Bern]

16. I hope he enjoys life in his new extremely hot home. Maybe it will burn the fat off his ass and his

brain. . .oops, he didn't have one to begin with.

[greiner3]

23. Ass or brain

Or in his case one in the same

[yallerdawg]

18. It's turned out to be true!

Deep down, Scalia was a decent human being.

6 feet down.

[jpak]

10. One word...

Fluoridation

[hack89]

6. Domestic abusers should lose their right to own guns.

as long as it goes through the court system.

[greiner3]

24. Why go through the system

Convicted of domestic violence lose your dick

[metroins]

42. Women also beat men

DV can go both ways.

[onehandle]

7. And here I was thinking that the Second Amendment was absolute.

At least that's what I'm told on the Internets.

Tipping point.......

[AtheistCrusader]

11. It's been the law of the land since 1996.

Its called the Lautenberg Amendment and it's a fantastic piece of legislation.

It has withstood every single legal challenge, including this one.
Even Scalia acknowledged in Heller that the 2nd amendment wasn't an unlimited right.

[Eleanors38]

17. I agree. Why was the law challenged this time?

[AtheistCrusader]

28. Another attack on the misdemeanor side of domestic violence.

Plaintiffs were trying to play it off as "offensive touching" rather than assault. They were trying to open up a classification of DV that doesn't prohibit their access to guns like a felony DV conviction would.

I'm quite fine with the ruling on Friday.

[Eleanors38]

33. I suspected that. Seems to me there was an attempt to re-try, I normally am skeptical

of loading up consequences onto people when misdemeanors are involved, but there is a kind of clear and present danger with domestic relationships. I presume there are serviceable definitions of "domestic relationships" in law. A misdemeanor assault between a woman and a man (no relationship) shouldn't fall under the same test.

[Igel]

12. If you believe that,

you were rolled in the hay by a straw man. It's more of a tupping point, actually.

Stereotyping isn't a good thing.

[Eleanors38]

19. "Second Amendment Absolutists" is heard regularly, here.

[greiner3]

26. I could be tombstones just for disparaging certain politicians

But some posters 'keep going, and going and going'

[Eleanors38]

29. With the new rules, I don't deal with certain topics. I have a personal list

Of rather innocuous statements which I had hidden. In the Gungeon, 2A defenders have to be on egg shells, but "controllers" have pretty much open season. Maybe that will change, but I doubt it.

[jpak]

31. Revisionist Gungeon History

yup

[Eleanors38]

34. Did you print the first volume?

[jpak]

35. Open Season?

What was the term for hunters in the Gungeon?

Was that on the list?

Also - we were told that federal waterfowl regulations physically limiting the number of shells a shotgun can hold was "different" from a federal law limiting the number of bullets in a clip.

[AtheistCrusader]

36. Correct.

They are different rules. And can change from season to season.

Way to completely shank the end of that sentence though. It's cartridges in a magazine (for shotguns this could be a fixed internal mag, or a removable stick or drum mag as in the case of a Saiga 12 or similar weapon.)

You've been talking about this issue long enough, I assume you are trolling when you say things like that. The correct terminology (as would be leveraged in discussing a potential LAW that would restrict or otherwise impact those limits) is easy enough to grasp.

[jpak]

46. So, we can't legislate clip capacities for target shooters, CC holders, vigilantes and road ragers?

just duck hunters?

do tell

[AtheistCrusader]

64. Magazine capacities can and have been legislated.

Duck hunting regs aren't always legislated. Game departments have leeway on some seasonal rules.

The 1994 CAWB prevented the manufacture of new mags larger than 10 rounds for a period of ten years.

[Eleanors38]

38. Hunting is not a federal right. Owning guns is.

[jpak]

45. And hunters are not gun owners?

cognitive dissonance indeed.

[Marengo]

58. All hunters use guns?

[Eleanors38]

69. Your comment flies on the wind sock of irrelevancy.

[Sunlei]

54. it's because some guy had a giant shotgun and mowed down entire flocks of ducks

So the Federal Game Wardens had to step-up with a regulation or ducks would have gone extinct There's a picture somewhere of that gun.

[Yavin4]

8. Folks, Clinton and Obama's SCOTUS picks are doing work.

This is the reason to vote for president.

[former9thward]

13. Sotomayor was one of the no votes.

....

[Eleanors38]

20. What was her reasoning. My tablet makes it difficult to read links with its endless shifting.

[AtheistCrusader]

37. Sotomayor joined Thomas, in parts 1, and 2 of his dissent.

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10154_19m1.pdf

Part one tries to more clearly define 'use of force' and whether it was intentional.
Part two tries to more clearly define 'recklessness' and whether it was intentional.

[Yavin4]

44. CNN has her voting with the majority

Dissenters are the usual suspects, Roberts, Thomas, and Alito.

[former9thward]

47. Then CNN is wrong.

Or you looked at another decision. Here is the link to the case,

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10154_19m1.pdf

Sotomayor joined with the dissent Thomas wrote.

[Yavin4]

50. Then how is it 5-3?

It would be 4-4, right?

[Yavin4]

51. I was talking about the Texas abortion case.

I'm in the wrong thread.

[no_hypocrisy]

9. Any link yet?

[sl8]

25. Link to decision:

VOISINE ET AL. v. UNITED STATES :

http://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/15pdf/14-10154_19m1.pdf

[Feeling the Bern]

15. That mafioso Scalia dies and the Court finally does shit I support!!!

[yallerdawg]

21. Next gun curbs - suspected terrorists, especially those that can't get on a plane!

Rights are about protecting the innocent, not preserving opportunity for the guilty.

Common sense.

You don't have to be a Supreme Court justice to recognize common sense.

[Eleanors38]

30. How is one "guilty" by being a "suspect?" Or is this sarcasm?

[yallerdawg]

53. Guilty of being a suspected terrorist?

You bet! That doesn't make sense to you?

Just in case they want to move to known-terrorist status, let's let them buy guns legally - like the Orlando psycho did.

We can't afford extreme rightwing NRA views anymore when we have whackos killing us!

[Odin2005]

57. Yeah, screw due process!

I am 100% for taking gun away from people CONVICTED with a crime, but taking away a right from somebody merely suspected of a crime is a dangerous road to go down.

[yallerdawg]

59. Of course!

First you have to commit an act of terrorism - then we'll see about restricting your 2nd Amendment rights.

Perfect rightwing NRA talking points!

[Odin2005]

60. No point trying to discuss anything with you of you are going to dismiss anything...

...you disagree with as NRA propaganda.

[yallerdawg]

61. When it's rightwing NRA propaganda...

there is no discussion.

Just pointing out that fact.

[Odin2005]

62. Do you think protecting people's RIGHT TO DUE PROCESS is "NRA propaganda", yes or no?

If you say yes you are an authoritarian, not a liberal.

[yallerdawg]

63. Just one more time.

'Due process' got known and suspected terrorists on the watch lists.

Your insistence that 'due process' occurs only after a crime is committed doesn't make any sense.

[Jitter65]

22. 6-2...Things are looking up! nt

[wryter2000]

27. 6 - 2

What a great day the Court is having.

[TeddyR]

32. This seems to be one of those laws

That Scalia specifically envisioned as being constitutional in Heller. Heller permits all kinds of gun control laws, which is one of the reasons it will never be reversed. The only law that would certainly violate Heller is a ban on handguns in the home.

[Orrex]

41. That's a good assessment of the current ruling.

[Moral Compass]

43. Thomas and Sotomayor

Now that it pretty weird.

Guess to understand why I'd have to read the dissent.

[Hekate]

48. KnR

[mainer]

49. I heard the guys' defense was: "our violence wasn't intentional. We were just reckless!"

Let us keep our guns!

[bucolic_frolic]

52. Clarence Thomas' dissent

is detailed at:

http://thinkprogress.org/justice/2016/06/27/3792912/thomas-guns-domestic-abuse/

Can't deny domestic abusers the Constitutional right to bear arms, he argues.

and look at this case in Philadelphia today:

http://6abc.com/news/woman-killed-in-ne-philly-crossbow-attack-identified/1402600/

Woman killed by her husband in a crossbow attack while sitting on the couch. Seriously.
Absolutely heinous.

[former9thward]

55. Sotomayor joined his dissent.

[Odin2005]

56. People with anger issues should not have guns.

And I say that as a person who is mainly pro-gun rights.

[ReRe]

66. K&R

Well. what do you know. The Supreme Court again does something right for a change and voted for plain ordinary common sense. Wonders never cease.

[marble falls]

67. This is big. Disarm anyone accused of domestic violence. From guns to knives.