Ivanov charged with aggravated murder of 3 teens in Mukilteo

[maxsolomon]

Source: Everett Herald

EVERETT — Snohomish County prosecutors on Tuesday charged a University of Washington student with three counts of aggravated murder and one count of attempted first-degree murder for Saturday’s shootings at Mukilteo house party.

Allen Christopher Ivanov and Bui used to date. Ivanov, 19, allegedly told police that he hunted Bui down at the party because he was jealous and angry that she was dating other guys. He said he’d broken up with Bui about two months ago.

The suspect also described how in recent days he’d purchased a Ruger semiautomatic rifle and an extra magazine. The assault-style weapon is similar in appearance to an AR-15. Ivanov told the detective that he’d purchased the rifle about a week before and planned to use it for target shooting and in a gun safety class.

Ivanov allegedly told the detective how he’d driven to the party and spotted Bui with another guy. He returned to his car, read the instruction manual for the rifle, loaded the weapon and crept near the living room windows, according to the report, which was filed in Everett District Court.

Read more: http://www.heraldnet.com/news/ivanov-charged-with-aggravated-murder-of-3-teens-in-mukilteo/

---

A perfect storm of testosterone-fueled, wounded male pride, murderous impulse, and near-instant access to semi-automatic weaponry. Now he's going to spend the rest of his life - 60-odd years - in prison, at taxpayer expense, and for what? A minute of revenge against a woman who refused to be his possession.

He was a law-abiding gun owner for a week. What a waste. What a horror for all the parents and friends. What a perfectly pointless American tragedy.

[KT2000]

1. you summarized it well

this was not an isolated loner but rather a popular student who had lots of friends (some of whom he killed). Girls were attracted to him and he was the one who dumped his girlfriend. He was upset she did not jump when he said he made a mistake and wanted her back.

[Bradical79]

2. Really sad

Misogyny + easy access to weapons are a terrible combination.

[Skittles]

3. he could not buy beer but he could buy an AR-15

gun humper's paradise

[ManiacJoe]

4. All rifles and shotguns require the buyer to be 18.

All handguns require the buyer to be 21.

[Skittles]

5. well ISN'T THAT SPECIAL

bottom line is a depressed TEENAGER can LEGALLY BE ARMED

it is SICK

[NWCorona]

10. While I have issues as well on this

You can join the Army at 18 and in some cases, younger. I joined at 17

[Aristus]

12. The Army requires extensive training in firearms, not to mention the fact that all firearms

are stored securely at all times other than marksmanship training and field exercises. And in field exercises, armed soldiers are in possession of either blank ammunition, or no ammunition at all.

When I was in Basic Training, we had two solid weeks of rifle safety training before we were permitted to fire our weapons.

[NWCorona]

13. My point wasn't the issue of training but the age of consent so to speak

[ManiacJoe]

15. Turning 18 makes you a legal adult with all the rights and responsibilities.

[maxsolomon]

7. why does that discrepancy exist?

is it something that RKBA activists are trying to rectify? seems like they would consider it unconstitutional.

[ManiacJoe]

14. I have no idea why the difference.

That law was enacted way before my time. If a younger person really wants a handgun, his parents can gift it to him.

No one is trying to change it; virtually no one is complaining.

There is nothing unconstitutional about it. All our constitutional rights have limits.

[maxsolomon]

16. Interesting

I bet there'd be complaints if rifles and shotguns got changed to 21, though.

[ManiacJoe]

17. Most certainly.

[hack89]

20. The drinking age is too high.

if you are legally an adult at 18 then you should be able to enjoy all the privileges of being an adult.

[Marengo]

6. And in this example of wounded male pride murderous impulse...

A very different weapon produced a similar body count. Think it might be time to discuss easy access to knives? Perhaps a waiting period would have saved these lives.
http://www.cnn.com/2016/01/18/us/college-double-murder-suicide/

[maxsolomon]

8. Good point. If knives can be used in place of firearms, then why do we need firearms at all?

I used 4 very sharp knives to cook dinner last night. I used zero firearms.

[Marengo]

9. What is the length of your kitchen knives, and are they pointed?

[maxsolomon]

11. They're basically swords

I cook with machetes.

[Marengo]

18. If more than a few inches and pointed, you're enabling lethal knife violence...

Of the type in the report I posted. That, and easy access. Perhaps if you are so concerned about public safety, you should destroy the kitchen knives in your possession and replace them with short and blunted types. After all, culinary experts in the UK have stated long, pointed kitchen knives are not any more useful. Step up, be an example!

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/health/4581871.stm

[maxsolomon]

21. but Ivanov didn't use a knife, did he?

he used a semi-automatic rifle that he didn't even know how to load until just before he shot 4 people with it.

i'll take my risks with knife violence - I believe the number of deaths in each incident will be, on average, lower.

[Marengo]

22. See link in post #6. Unless you advocate stricter regulations on the purchase and possession...

Of knives, you're an enabler of lethal knife violence. Collective responsibility isn't just for gun owners.

[maxsolomon]

23. So put me down as an enabler. I'm done with your Whataboutism today

My OP did advocated no policy changes. I only lamented this pointless incident of lethal gun violence.

[Marengo]

24. No lament for the violence in the report I posted?

[ManiacJoe]

19. Distance weapons vs melee weapons.

> If knives can be used in place of firearms, then why do we need firearms at all?

Choose the appropriate weapon for the type of fight you are in.