Video suggests police drove at California man they then shot

[Judi Lynn]

Source: Associated Press

Video suggests police drove at California man they then shot
Sep 30, 8:39 PM EDT

SACRAMENTO, Calif. (AP) -- Dashboard audio indicates two police officers may have tried to hit a homeless man with their police cruiser before fatally shooting him in Sacramento this summer, a newspaper reports.

The Sacramento Bee (http://bit.ly/2dxPf4b) enhanced the audio on videos released by police, including the voices of two officers who shot 50-year-old Joseph Mann July 11.

The officers can be heard saying "I'm gonna hit him" and "OK, go for it" before appearing to drive their cruiser toward Mann. He dodged the car twice. The officers followed on foot and shot him 14 times.

According to the audio, Mann also told officers he did not have a gun, contrary to a 911 report. Police say no gun was found, although they found a knife.



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[Foggyhill]

1. Holly shit!!!!! Poor man. Complete revulsion.

[McKim]

2. Something Really Sick Going on in Our Police Depts.

This seems to be a national sport among our police depts. What can we do to get rid of sick cops?

[Basement Beat]

3. Yeah, and we get called out and -

villianized for not "honoring" and blindly supporting these thugs which are proven to be above the law over and over.
The system this country is built on and embedded in makes me sick.

[MrScorpio]

4. Yay, cops. They're the best. nt

[brush]

6. MrScorpio with you no sarcasm gif needed. I've followed your posts . . .

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on cops somehow engaging with even armed whites without killing them.

Please keep them coming.

[MrScorpio]

7. I can dig it!

[TeamPooka]

5. K & R nt

[spike jones]

8. Killer Kop Klub

I am begining to think that there must be some kind of cop club that to get in they have to murder a person with extra points for a black person. It may be like a street gang, that would fit, or a biker gang or a military style club; but I'll bet it is out there somewhere. Since the problem is nation wide it may be on the internet. It would probably be named Blue something...

[King_Klonopin]

9. I think there is a small percentage of men who become police officers,

specifically because the uniform and the badge give them "license" to murder --
a permit to hunt and kill human beings, especially any "type" of human
being which they despise.

That is the type of behavior captured on that recording and depicted in the OP:
two police officers -- men entrusted to protect the lives and safety of the public --
are hunting down and killing a man as if he were an animal.

They probably comprise less than 10% of the law enforcement community, but
the old saying is this: "A police officer is just a sociopath with a badge." It is
not applicable to the majority of police officers. However, the ones who are the
sociopaths gain their infamous notoriety and our appalled attention by these
vile acts.

The advent of cell phone videos and surveillance cameras has brought all of this
evil into the light of day. There are law enforcement officials in the U.S. who are
simply hunting human beings. It has been happening for years, since the
days of the Civil War, but they can't hide or cover-up their crimes anymore.

[kristopher]

10. Did you know that personality testing allows employers to specifically select...

...(if they so choose) people who have little or no empathy?

It is also possible to select for strong tendencies toward group loyalty and obedience.

In other words, the idea that "it's a few bad apples" is woefully out of date. They are screening out empathy, initiative and intelligence in favor of group think and numbness.

[King_Klonopin]

11. I believe it follows closely to the general population, which is about 10%

I have no data as to the personality make-up of those who are "rejected"
from police academies. I assume they identify with an authoritarian view of
the world. That, in and of itself -- is not a bad thing. I also assume that very
few are asked to leave unless the problem is egregious. The need is there,
and few people are willing to take the job due to the risks and dangers that
are inherent to this line of work. You would have to be a little gritty to do this job.

10% is not "a few" people -- that's a lot of people. I choose my words carefully,
as a rule-of-thumb, and try not to over-generalize or use too broad of a brush --
in this case, to not paint all of law enforcement in a negative way nor to minimize
the problem of police violence as just "a few bad apples" which are your words,
not mine. 10% is a fair, unbiased estimate. All one can do is estimate.

How do you know that these academies are "screening out" people, or by what
means (i.e. psych testing) they are doing it? Can you claim for a fact that cadets
are NOT screened in an effort to eliminate those who shows amoral, sadistic or
sociopathic tendencies ? I do not believe that the preferred law enforcement officer
is one who is "numb" or lacking in independent, critical thinking, although I am sure
there are plenty who fit that description. The ones that are sociopathic -- like those
in the OP -- they get noticed.

[kristopher]

12. I aint religious but I sometimes like quoting scripture...

By their deeds ye shall know them.

Or old saws...
The proof is in the pudding.

Why wouldn't they select for loyalty and ability to be detached?

If their top priority in an "us vs them" world view - as I'm certain it 90% is - why wouldn't they look first to the group's own internal needs?

Do you know of any large personnel process that doesn't do personality screening of applicants today?

This is well past supposition; it is pretty straightforward deduction.

[King_Klonopin]

14. Here are some links. You are just throwing out opinions (deduction) as if they are facts

Characteristics of an Ideal Police Officer, according to FBI Bulletin

1) Initiative
2) Sense of Ethics
3) Respect and Knowledge of Laws
4) Communication Skills
5) Common Sense
6) Civility
7) Service Mentality
8) Humility
9) Controlled Temper
10) Thirst for New Knowledge

Numbness and group-think aren't mentioned anywhere.

https://leb.fbi.gov/2014/december/perspective-characteristics-of-an-ideal-police-office

PSYCHOLOGICAL TESTING AND THE SELECTION OF POLICE OFFICERS
testing is done to rule out candidates, not rule in candidates.

https://www.corwin.com/sites/default/files/upm-binaries/19737_Chapter_3.pdf

Do some research before spewing forth. You can't pigeon-hole people like this.

[kristopher]

17. That has absolutely no bearing on what is actually accomplished in the thousands of departments...

...around the country.

I'm not inclined to take advice from someone that doesn't understand the difference between opinion and deduction. If those traits were guiding officer selection, the problems we observe would not be present.

ETA: I'm rejecting your view that the problem is limited to about 10% of the people because they have pathological tendencies and aren't being weeded out. If that were true, then the problem would be self correcting as the 90% that meet the FBI's desired profile (you posted) acted in the public interest to eject those unsuited to the job.

That isn't what's happening, is it?

[King_Klonopin]

18. So, you didn't even bother looking into those links.

There is nothing out there that backs up your assertions.

You stick to your guns, though. Keep shooting blanks.

[kristopher]

21. That isn't what's happening, is it?

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You sound very very desperate to relieve that cognitive dissonance that's hammering on your brain and blinding you to the obvious. So allow me to repeat:

I'm rejecting your view that the problem is limited to about 10% of the people because they have pathological tendencies and aren't being weeded out. If that were true, then the problem would be self correcting as the 90% that meet the FBI's desired profile (you posted) acted in the public interest to eject those unsuited to the job.

That isn't what's happening, is it?

Well, it isn't, is it?

[Retired George]

13. "A few Bad Apples"

BULL. SHIT!

[King_Klonopin]

15. I never said "A few bad apples"; those are your words, not mine.

Totally distorted misinterpretation. Thanks

See above response I made to same ignorant reply by another poster.

10% is no little number of people. They try to screen them out, but obviously
can't. Read the links. Do some research instead of going solely by opinions.

And thanks for missing the main point, which is that I believe there are cops who
are HUNTING HUMAN BEINGS. Not exactly an apologist ????

[Retired George]

16. Man, I didn't even READ your post!

Lay off the weed, bro: it makes you paranoid.

[Judi Lynn]

19. I thought we all had to read every post before posting one ourselves! It's the law. Or maybe not.

Welcome to D.U., Retired George!

[King_Klonopin]

20. Sorry; I was seething from the troller who just hooked me. No weed involved! nt

[kristopher]

22. Couldn't have said it better myself. nt