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Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:12 AM

Armed occupation leader cites religious faith in justifying Oregon refuge takeover

Source: Reuters

Armed occupation leader cites religious faith in justifying Oregon refuge takeover
Thu Oct 6, 2016 | 9:58pm EDT
By Scott Bransford | PORTLAND, Ore.

Ammon Bundy, who led an armed occupation of a U.S. wildlife center in Oregon earlier this year, testified in federal court on Thursday that his hostility toward federal land ownership was shaped by his religious faith and "natural laws."

Taking the witness stand for a third day at his conspiracy trial in U.S. District Court in Portland, Bundy delved further into the ideology he said was behind the forcible takeover of the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge by a band of militants in January.

Bundy told jurors that his group seized the refuge in rural eastern Oregon not only to protest what they saw as overreach by the U.S. government but to show how public lands should be entrusted to private citizens according to an ancient, divinely inspired set of doctrines.

“These principles, they’re not something that comes and goes,” Bundy, 41, said under questioning from his attorney. “They’re natural laws that we were teaching.”



Read more: http://www.reuters.com/article/us-oregon-militia-idUSKCN12705I

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Reply Armed occupation leader cites religious faith in justifying Oregon refuge takeover (Original post)
Judi Lynn Oct 2016 OP
Old Vet Oct 2016 #1
HAB911 Oct 2016 #2
Vinca Oct 2016 #3
Sophiegirl Oct 2016 #7
saltpoint Oct 2016 #4
cstanleytech Oct 2016 #5
keithbvadu2 Oct 2016 #6
Tanuki Oct 2016 #8
They_Live Oct 2016 #16
MrModerate Oct 2016 #9
joshdawg Oct 2016 #10
Snarkoleptic Oct 2016 #11
Coyotl Oct 2016 #12
Martin Eden Oct 2016 #13
Mc Mike Oct 2016 #14
Nitram Oct 2016 #15
catbyte Oct 2016 #17
Egnever Oct 2016 #18
csziggy Oct 2016 #19

Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:23 AM

1. Anything less then 20 to life for bringing a armed militia against this nation will do.............

A strong message must be sent to any other nit-wits who might have a inkling of doing the same.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:27 AM

2. Did those "natural laws" not apply

to the previous fucking owners? What a nutsack.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:32 AM

3. Kind of a sorry defense considering the damage they did to the refuge.

He pretty much proved it shouldn't be entrusted to private citizens.

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Response to Vinca (Reply #3)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:06 AM

7. My thoughts exactly!!

They destroyed the refuge. If that is their example of how private citizens will maintain the land entrusted to them......I simply have no words to describe how enraged that makes me feel.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:38 AM

4. "We hate the government, so we

used our guns and our stupidity to force a takeover, and then we trashed the place."

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:43 AM

5. I hope the jury members have more than 2 brain cells among them and dont

fall for his BS defense.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 06:52 AM

6. Is it his faith that makes him want to kill police?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:10 AM

8. Hey Ammon, what about "Thou shall not steal" and

"Render therefore unto Caesar the things which are Caesar's; and unto God the things that are God's"?

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Response to Tanuki (Reply #8)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 12:31 PM

16. That's exactly what I was going to say.

thanks.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:13 AM

9. So Bundy is shooting for . . .

Either a diminished capacity defense or a just-plain-nuts defense. I don't see this working.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 07:38 AM

10. Did anyone else's bullshit meter redline?

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:11 AM

11. "...to show how public lands should be entrusted to private citizens"

Oh, so that's why they drew dicks on, and shot up the petroglyphs, then rode ATV's all over sensitive ecosystems, etc.


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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:12 AM

12. He thought they could overthrow the government by starting a populist uprising. WRONG.

 



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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:38 AM

13. Bundy will soon experience natural consequences ...

... for being a hypocritical felon who broke the laws of our land.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 08:44 AM

14. Ah. It wasn't an uprising, it was just a religious freedom restoration act.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 09:07 AM

15. I thought they were all about contitutional rationales for their crime.

Falling back on religion won't go very far in court. Sounds like they finally realized they don't have a leg to stand on.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:46 PM

17. Oh, puhleeze...




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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 02:59 PM

18. As if all these nutty attempts to justify his actions

 

Do anything more than cement in the juries mind that he did indeed do them.

Maybe intent will affect sentencing but it doesn't matter if Jesus told you to shoot someone you still shot them.

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Response to Judi Lynn (Original post)

Fri Oct 7, 2016, 03:41 PM

19. Gee, Ammon, that reminds me of the excuses Islamic terrorists use

"It's my religion telling me this is OK!"

Fundamentalists are nuts on any edge of a religion.

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