#BREAKING: Jury finds 7 Malheur occupiers not guilty

[Coyotl]

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Source: Twitter

KOIN News Verified account ‏@KOINNews 6m6 minutes ago

#BREAKING: Jury finds 7 Malheur occupiers not guilty of conspiring to impede federal workers from doing jobs at refuge. #OregonStandoff


Read more: https://twitter.com/KOINNews/status/791778918155952128

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#BundyTeaParty can now move to the new trial in Nevada for #BundyRanchStandoff. Good luck with that!




On edit as news stories posted:

Maxine Bernstein @maxoregonian 4:40 PM - 27 Oct 2016
Jury finds all Oregon standoff defendants not guilty of federal conspiracy, gun charges #oregonstandoff
http://www.oregonlive.com/oregon-standoff/2016/10/oregon_standoff_verdicts_annou.html

.... Ammon Bundy's lawyer Marcus Mumford argued that his client, dressed in a gray suit and white dress shirt, should be allowed to walk out of the court, a free man.

U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown told him that there was a U.S. Marshal's hold on him from a pending federal indictment in Nevada.

"If there's a detainer, show me,'' Mumford stood, arguing before U.S. District Judge Anna J. Brown.

Suddenly, a group of about six U.S. Marshals surrounded Mumford at his defense table and grabbed on to him.

"What are you doing?'' Mumford yelled, as he struggled and was taken down to the floor.

As deputy marshals yelled, "Stop resisting,'' the judge demanded, "Everybody out of the courtroom now!''

Mumford was taken into custody, a member of his legal team confirmed. .....

The New York Times @nytimes 4:37 PM - 27 Oct 2016
Breaking News: Ammon Bundy and 6 followers acquitted in takeover of Oregon wildlife refuge
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/28/us/bundy-brothers-acquitted-in-takeover-of-oregon-wildlife-refuge.html

"In a monthlong trial here, the defendants never denied that they had occupied and held the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge headquarters for nearly six weeks, demanding that the federal government surrender the 188,000-acre property to local control. But their lawyers argued that prosecutors did not prove that the group had engaged in an illegal conspiracy that kept federal workers — employees of the Fish and Wildlife Service and the Bureau of Land Management — from doing their jobs."

[Foggyhill]

1. So free to fuck us all up at will...

[joeybee12]

2. ffs

How stupid was that jury?

[blm]

3. Let me guess…there wasn't enough fucking EVIDENCE for the jury?

Did they need just one more thin mint?

[elias7]

61. Facts? We don't care about facts!

The dumbing down down of America. The legacy of the vast Rightwing conspiracy.

[wordpix]

99. no - video feeds, FB posts, tweets and being there don't count

yes, you need the thin mint

[dbackjon]

4. What the fuck?

[Achilleaze]

5. Meanwhile, Native American Protectors are being maced & rounded up

by the busload.

[Wuddles440]

41. ^^This^^!!!

Racist treatment of non-whites - you betcha!!

[rockfordfile]

6. They let the right wing pos criminals go free

[Red Mountain]

7. So you can do that and it's OK?

Holy shit I never thought this country was that far gone........that the rule of law is meaningless.

[MyOwnPeace]

36. Hey, Red.........

I'm with you on this one.

W - T - F?????????????????

[dbackjon]

8. What other evidence did they need?

We need to occupy these idiot jurors houses and trash them.

[geek tragedy]

9. Next time the feds just need to use armed force

very clear that unless they fear death they have zero reason to worry about the idiot jurors in that part of the country actually applying the law

[sinkingfeeling]

10. Juries just can't seem to understand the laws anymore. Look

at the Anthony and Zimmerman cases.

[obamanut2012]

26. The Casey Anthony jury found 100% the right verdict

I give them major props for doing the right thing legally.

[sinkingfeeling]

28. Really, you think she had nothing to do with the murder of a sweet

little girl?

[obamanut2012]

35. I personally don't think Kaylee was murdered

I think she was killed accidentally, and helped covered up by Casey's dad.

But, it doesn't make a difference what either of us feels or thinks -- there is zero evidence she murdered her daughter. ero. It is impossible to prove that. It is impossible to prove that Kaylee was even murdered.

They made it capital crime -- ridiculous overcharging.

MAYBE manslaughter may have stuck, maybe. Child endangerment and neglect only would have gotten her 10-20. The DA was an egomaniac.

[Amishman]

83. read the statute and review the evidence

the Anthony verdict is a textbook example of what happens when a prosecutor over charges

we are a nation of laws, and the outcome in the Anthony case was appropriate given the letter of the law and the charges brought.

if you want to be pissed, be angry with the prosecutor.

Getting back to the subject at hand, I would be really curious to know the exact reasoning behind the jury decision

[jberryhill]

90. That wasn't the question before that jury

The jury wasn't asked whether she "had anything to do" with the death of that child.

The jury was asked whether the state proved that she killed that child.

[pnwmom]

11. Here's an actual news story about this. Twitter is not a news source, by the way.

The station that sent the tweet should be listed as your source.

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/latest-oregon-standoff-jury-agree-charge-43118933

The leaders of an armed group that took over a national wildlife refuge in rural Oregon have been found not guilty of conspiracy and possession of firearms at a federal facility.

A jury on Thursday exonerated brothers Ammon and Ryan Bundy and five others of conspiring to impede federal workers from their jobs at the Malheur National Wildlife Refuge.

Some of the defendants also were charged with possession of firearms at a federal facility and were acquitted on that count as well.

The standoff began Jan. 2 and lasted nearly six weeks, bringing new attention to a long-running dispute over control of federal lands in the U.S. West.

SNIP

[harun]

105. +1

[former9thward]

12. Prosecutors overcharged, as usual.

[pediatricmedic]

21. My first thought as well

The court room is not a place to make a political statement or pad a career.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

42. Possession of firearms at a federal facility is "overcharged" ?

[former9thward]

49. Yes.

They were charged with carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, which has a maximum penalty of life in prison. Prosecutors were trying to 'send a message'. Juries are not going to convict with a life in prison charge when no one was harmed. Juries do not like to be used as tools (or fools) by either side. So they voted not guilty on all the charges in order to send their own message.

[PSPS]

53. I don't remember that particular charge in the charging documents.

My understanding is that they faced a maximum of ten years, certainly not life.

[former9thward]

59. A link

The federal government on Wednesday leveled additional charges against Ammon Bundy and dozens of others who staged an armed takeover of a national wildlife refuge in Oregon

PORTLAND, Ore. (AP) — The federal government on Wednesday leveled additional charges against Ammon Bundy and dozens of others who staged an armed takeover of a national wildlife refuge in Oregon. One weapons allegation carries the possibility of life in prison.

He and eight others, including his brother Ryan, were charged with carrying a firearm in relation to a crime of violence, which has a maximum penalty of life in prison.

http://www.usnews.com/news/us/articles/2016-03-09/fbi-agents-investigated-over-shots-fired-during-standoff

[PSPS]

77. Thanks.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

67. I see. Thanks for the background and the analysis. . . nt

[unblock]

14. not guilty? lemme guess the skin color.

seriously, can you imagine the same outcome if they were all black?

[metroins]

55. I don't think race matters

How you can interject it into this boggles the mind.

[unblock]

56. lol! yeah, mind-boggling, the idea that justice might be slightly different for black people.

but let's not talk about that, wouldn't want to "inject" any uncomfortable truths....

[metroins]

58. Not uncomfortable

You are just wrong.

A man was also killed during this incident.

[brett_jv]

66. See: North Dakota ... Date: TODAY ...

... to see an illustration of how the authorities 'react' to 'protests' by non-whites.

If these guys were all black, asking for redress of black grievances ... they'd almost certainly have been tear-gassed and/or forcibly removed at gunpoint (at BEST) within the first few days, and then they'd have ended up convicted and locked up for years.

If you have any serious question about this not being how things would've gone down in that case, you must be living in a cave, or cave-equivalent.

Goings on in N. Dakota today shows exactly what happens when you 'occupy' places the government doesn't want you to ... when you're non-white.

[metroins]

69. Whatever floats your boat

You see it your way.

I see it as poor prosecutorial procedure and rich defendants with backing from their community.

[barbtries]

80. really?

think about it. just think about it.

[IronLionZion]

15. So they must have been just visiting? Having a picnic with snacks?

These assholes should at least pay for the damage they caused to the site. They should clean it up for community service.

[christx30]

44. You'd have to convict them of a crime before you can

impose any kind of penalty like community service or force them to pay for damages.
Sounds like the prosecutor didn't do a good enough job. So they are going to get off scott free. Except for Lavoy Finicum.

[underpants]

16. Guilty Verdicts had to be unanimous so one juror could have done this

Still I can't imagine them getting off scot free. Amazing.

[Bernardo de La Paz]

43. One juror dissenting is called a "hung" jury, not a verdict.

[underpants]

45. D'oh!

[alarimer]

17. I bet there were anti-government fuckers on the jury

They need to investigate them all. This is a fucking travesty. Maybe get rid of the jury system, since Americans are too ducking stupid to understand anything anymore. The government should have gone in, guns blazing, and killed every last one of those assholes. They do not get to own this country !!!!!!!!!

[47of74]

37. Amen

our government has got to stop treating these fuck sticks with kid gloves and get out the goddamn pliers and blowtorches.

[philosslayer]

65. AMEN!!!

Investigate the jurors. Possible charges of collusion and conspiracy.

[Travis_0004]

86. A jury is allowed to vote no for any reason at all

Jury nullification is completely legal, so Im not sure what you would investigate then for

Also it sets a horrible precident to go after a jury because you dont like how they voted.

[LanternWaste]

89. What evidence leads you to allege that?

What evidence leads you to allege that?

[Amishman]

84. investigate them for what? having ideas you don't like?

Jury nullification is legal. Having unpopular ideas is legal. So unless you have specific evidence that these anonymous jurors committed crimes, I suggest taking a step back and thinking about it. As I said already in this thread, we are a nation of laws.

There is a significant slice of this country with very different ideals than what we are used to. It showed up with the actions of these idiots invading the refuge, it showed up again with the verdict, and we are seeing it with Trump. Thankfully they are far from a majority, but sharing a country with these people is going to be a big ongoing challenge. I do not envy President Clinton in her task, as the only practical solution given their numbers is to try to reach out a hand and calm them somehow.

This fucking sucks, but it is the world we live in.

[Adrahil]

18. Wait... NOT the Onion?

This is un-FUCKING-believable.

[MyOwnPeace]

38. Yeah,

THAT too!!!!

[Monk06]

19. My guess is the case was contaminated by the use of FBI infiltrators actively encouraging

less than peaceful actions by the defendents

Also jury nullification could be a factor

The next time the FBI won't be playing nicey nice though So that is a bad result

Meanwhile these couch potato revolutionaries will quickly try to do this again

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

20. Groovy, I am going to go colonize Santa Barbara Island

Where does one obtain a Gadsden flag in Orange County?

I promise not to shit everywhere.

[trc]

50. hmmmmm, that reminds me

I visited Angel Island in the San Franciso Bay when I was a kid. I remember there being an abandoned military site there...You take Santa Barbara Island, I will take Angel Island State Park and we will start our own navy and claim all the oil on or around our land (I will claim all the refining in Richmond as our birthright as white oppressed Americans....btw, if you are not white, this plan will not work). Glory will be ours, but I make no promises about where I shit.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

62. For the purposes of being called upon to "check one's privilege" I suppose I am white

But if you're a white supremacist with a sniper rifle I am probably not white.

[trc]

68. yes, the point of my apparently not humorous comment on white privelige

seems to have gone awry. Not sure where the "white supremacist with a sniper rifle" comes from but I will assume it is my lack of clarity or maybe my avatar, either way, my bad.

[Sen. Walter Sobchak]

71. Oh no, it was humorous. I seem to be the one who failed at that.

I basically look like Borat, whether or not that qualifies as "white" is a matter of perspective.

[Coyotl]

22. BREAKING: U.S. Marshals Service: Ammon Bundy's attorney Marcus Mumford in federal custody

Brent Weisberg ‏@BrentKOIN 1 minute ago
BREAKING: U.S. Marshals Service: Ammon Bundy's attorney Marcus Mumford in federal custody
http://koin.com/2016/10/27/jury-reaches-verdict-in-malheur-case/ … #KOIN6News #oregonstandoff

[Hugin]

94. Hmm... Possibly, jury tampering?

Not that "how" this clinker occurred will matter to these guys.

[Coyotl]

96. Screaming at the judge telling her she must release the Bundy brothers, wouldn't shut up.

He lost it in the courtroom, acted like a 4-year-old having a tantrum. Contempt of court is the likely charge.

[wordpix]

109. oh...article didn't say so that explains it: "We own the courts!!! Donald says so!"

fricking idiots

[wordpix]

108. article says it's b/c Mumford asked for papers to show Bundy shold be held

on another charge in NV. Doesn't make sense that should cause several marshals to pile onto an att'y.

[malchickiwick]

24. White Privilege Much??

WTF, just WTF???

[left-of-center2012]

27. Trump will love this

A win for extreme right wing nationalists

[Else You Are Mad]

30. Yet...

People that are peacefully protesting on public land are getting arrested and face 45 years in jail....

[Earth_First]

32. Meanwhile in North Dakota... nt

[Agnosticsherbet]

33. Jury nullifucation?

[MyOwnPeace]

39. So,

What can we expect from Trumpsters at polling places at closing on Nov. 8?

[Coyotl]

40. Governor Kate Brown Statement

Governor Kate Brown @OregonGovBrown
Statement regarding the Malheur Refuge Occupation trial:

[Danascot]

46. Yeah but

they're still assholes.

[Va Lefty]

47. This a a greenlight for more of this crap

what a shit sandwich!

[hollowdweller]

48. I can't help but think the Nevada case will be difft.

They physically did prevent federal employees from doing their job and pointed guns at them.

However the fact that they were found not guilty of weapons charges is confusing.

[still_one]

52. I want the protesters at the Dakota Pipeline released immediately, and these protesters didn't have

weapons.

WTF is going on:

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/oregon-standoff-refuge-not-guilty_us_5812858ce4b0990edc303679

[Crash2Parties]

54. Were they even charged with vandalism, destroying property, and whatever law cover the artifacts?

[metroins]

57. Jury knew more than us

I'm not sure how they got off, I mean it seems pretty clear something illegal happened and somebody died during the ordeal.

I'm guessing wrong charges and a bad prosecutor? At least trespassing?

I have to trust the jurors know more than me.

[mdbl]

82. Well, I know what I saw just on TEEVEE

and dem boys was brakin da law. Any dumb juror would know that.

[Bohunk68]

87. WRONG. Jurors are only allowed to see SOME evidence.

A lot of evidence is not presented in trial after trial. That is pretty much common knowledge if you grew up watching anything on the boob tube. We, the public, see and consider far more evidence. Where did you grow up that you would not know this?

[ALBliberal]

60. So disgusted. They can raid and occupy at will. Literally S##t all over

Our national parks. Cause millions of dollars of damage. And now what? They will feel empowered right before the election. Only consolation is that they were in jail for many months. As a taxpaying citizen...this really pisses me off. Oh yeah...those Native American antiquities... apparently meaningless... so frustrated.

[paleotn]

63. That's pathatic.

...but given the quality juries today, I'm not all that surprised. Few even want to serve on juries anymore. When you get the call, serve if at all possible. It does make a difference.

[rdking647]

64. i guess taking over federal land is no okw

Im claiming Big Bend National Park for myself....

[keithbvadu2]

70. Conservative militia requests/encourages killing of police.

Conservative militia requests/encourages killing of police.

Starts about 10:40 on the timeline

One of our Christian, patriot, conservative militia heroes encouraging supporters to come shoot the police when they conquered and captured an unmanned Federal nature preserve in Oregon.

Where were our conservatives to call this out as wrong?

Our conservatives have many more guns than black folks do.

---------------------------

Then we have republican Michelle Fiore.

Lawmaker: It’s Okay To Aim Guns At Cops If They Aim At You First

http://lawofficer.com/2016/05/lawmaker-its-okay-to-aim-guns-at-cops-if-they-aim-at-you-first/

[Equinox Moon]

72. I can't even read it. This is so wrong!

[jeffreyi]

73. Wow.

So much for justice. This makes no sense. I fear for our country. Rule of law, who needs it. Vandalise at will, no consequences. Destroy public property, no big deal. Sickened and disgusted.

[moondust]

74. Next up: Courthouses and post offices!!!

Go git 'em boys!!!!

[Hugin]

92. Yep... If you thought the Nevada standoff was emboldening, you haven't seen anything, yet!

This is the green light the Sovereign Citizens have been waiting for... They will read this as a confirmation of their fevered rantings about secret code filings and vigilantism.

I see a storm on the horizon.

I suspect jury tampering as the real reason the not guilty verdict was found.

[Kennah]

75. Are? You? Fucking? Kidding?

OK, now I'm scared the SovCits are going to get a LOT worse.

[SunSeeker]

76. I'm guessing it was an all-white jury. nt

[DonCoquixote]

78. Same reason Zimmerman got off

The purpose of the NRA is to protect the right of White Males to shoot minorities and Federal officers. If Trump wins, these batards will get medals. Yet, if 1,only one protector in the Dakotas has a sign, they will shoot. I fully expect some pipeline protest member to get shot , followed byTrump to promise a pardon if he wins.

You good old boys that love your property are going to make a fine sight when the same billionaires use their muscle to slide you out do they can turn your ranches and small towns into suburbs and Wal Mart, to be followed by Beijing buying them out.

[raccoon]

97. I think your first paragraph is absolutely right. nt

[barbtries]

79. i don't believe it.

actually found out from an Idaho fb friend's happy post. one of her friends then commented when will the FBI be charged with killing LaVoy or whatever the fuck his name is.
so much for being a nation of laws, not men.
i think i'm in shock. i actually kind of want to cry.

[HAB911]

81. Immediate reaction is sickening disbelief

turning to:

A jury of their peers.........WTF could we have expected?

[randome]

85. It's difficult to not be discouraged by this but don't be.

Despite this one setback for the rule of law and common decency, the Bundy Clan is still a dying breed, as are the Gingriches, Scarboroughs, Coulters and Hannitys we see. They have already lost this election and they will continue behaving like drunk frat boys until the tidal wave of change sweeps them all out to sea.

They will still be angry and without class. We just have to put up with them a little longer.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[geek tragedy]

98. they will still control the House, and governors mansions and legislatures

they're dying, but they retain the ability to do a massive amount of harm, and there's no guarantee they won't burn the house down

[randome]

101. You can't live w them, you can't shame them, you can't put 'em in a box & mail 'em to the Marianas.

So the battle continues but their 'war' is already lost. They can't stop gay rights, they can't stop women and minorities from becoming fully integrated in society. They've lost. All that's left is how much whining we have to listen to.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

[geek tragedy]

102. they sure as hell continue to stop gay rights.

most states have zero protections for LGBT Americans. Not in housing, not in employment, etc etc.

And they continue to prevent woman and minorities from becoming fully integrated--heck they're still disenfranchising minorities.

the deep fascistic, ethno-nationalistic pathologies that afflict most uneducated white people in the US will haunt us for decades to come

[Odin2005]

88. White people get off scott-free, Native-Americans get tear-gassed and beaten.

[dalton99]

93. Blacks would have been shot on sight

[Hugin]

91. Crap!

Well... It's not a good day to be a Federal Employee or Protected Lands.

[Owl]

95. Disgusting

[Separation]

112. My question to this

Are any of them being tried for the death that occurred during the FBI pullover? I know that if two guys rob a store and the cashier shoots and kills one of the robbers, the other robber will be tried for that murder. So did this trial, or the next one coming up, have the defendants on trial for murder?

[Judi Lynn]

115. White Terrorist Bundy Group Goes Free

White Terrorist Bundy Group Goes Free

October 28, 2016


The Bundy family can do no wrong in the eyes of the law, even when they are pointing loaded assault weapons at law enforcement officials and causing millions in damages to federal property. It pays to white in America today, and that’s sickening. The Ring of Fire’s Farron Cousins discusses this.

- video at link -


https://trofire.com/2016/10/28/white-terrorist-bundy-group-goes-free/