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Judi Lynn

(160,516 posts)
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 06:23 PM Nov 2016

Pope: Bankrupt morals to save banks but not suffering people

Last edited Sat Nov 5, 2016, 07:28 PM - Edit history (1)

Source: Associated Press

Pope: Bankrupt morals to save banks but not suffering people

Updated 2:06 pm, Saturday, November 5, 2016





VATICAN CITY (AP) — Pope Francis has denounced the "scandalous" amounts of money that governments and world institutions have found to save ailing banks but not suffering people, including migrants who are dying as they try to cross the Mediterranean Sea.

The pope on Saturday denounced these policies as a "bankruptcy of humanity."

The pope spoke during a meeting at the Vatican with an international group that included environmentalists, labor union activists and indigenous rights activists. In the audience was the former president of Uruguay, Jose Mujica, a defender of the poor.

Francis said: "What happens in the world of today is that when a bank is bankrupt, scandalous sums immediately appear to save it," while much smaller amounts of money cannot be found "to save the brothers that suffer so much."




Read more: http://www.chron.com/news/world/article/Pope-Bankrupt-morals-to-save-banks-but-not-10595689.php



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Pope: Bankrupt morals to save banks but not suffering people (Original Post) Judi Lynn Nov 2016 OP
Right On, Father! Tell It! Midnight Writer Nov 2016 #1
Yep, the banks got bailed out and we got a tiny raise in social security. Rex Nov 2016 #2
Is there a link? uppityperson Nov 2016 #3
pope photo op at it again. right after he insists that women are still not fully human. niyad Nov 2016 #4
He's definitely not right on quite a few major issues, n. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #6
so, in the right direction is the same as, say, no religion at all Skittles Nov 2016 #8
To each their own, is my theology/philosophy. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #9
This message was self-deleted by its author Skittles Nov 2016 #18
he has done some good sound bites, will grant you that. however, even though catholics niyad Nov 2016 #12
Really? To what passages of the Catechism do you refer? Drahthaardogs Nov 2016 #16
I'm a big fan of St. Brigid. The divine has both genders or neither. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #17
some of us remember what the church did to those who saw the divine as feminine, niyad Nov 2016 #19
Ratzinger re-tooled the mass to try to make things less feminine, if possible. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #20
the "rat" was really something--what, I will not say in public. niyad Nov 2016 #21
He's still squatting in Vatican city, ready to be an 'anti-pope'. Mc Mike Nov 2016 #22
yes, they are certainly familiar with bankrumpt morals Skittles Nov 2016 #7
I know. right.? It's not like he belongs to an organization with tons and tons of cash Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 #10
don't forget the art and other treasures in the vatican vaults. I remember a segment niyad Nov 2016 #11
I should've added that. How about an auction of all of that shit? Since they Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 #13
that would certainly be a good start. niyad Nov 2016 #14
If they do that I'll start going to church again and take everybody I Guy Whitey Corngood Nov 2016 #15
Yes, on all the topics over which he has no control, he says nice things. trotsky Nov 2016 #23

niyad

(113,259 posts)
4. pope photo op at it again. right after he insists that women are still not fully human.
Sat Nov 5, 2016, 07:24 PM
Nov 2016

and people will continue to think that he is wonderful.

do the suffering include the women who do not get full health care at catholic hospitals, frankie? or, any women at all.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
6. He's definitely not right on quite a few major issues, n.
Sun Nov 6, 2016, 06:04 AM
Nov 2016

But he makes many steps in the right direction.

We need ordination of Sisters, and Nuns and Priests should not have to be celibate.

The last 2 popes were nazis. This guy isn't.

I'm catholic, and never look at you like you're not fully human.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
9. To each their own, is my theology/philosophy.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 07:40 AM
Nov 2016

I'm not big on proselytizing or conversions. Any religion, that isn't death worship centered, is good to me.

Of course, people who believe in "no religion" can be some of the greatest, most morally sound people. Though I definitely didn't make the statement you feel I made, or alternatively, the lampoonish paraphrasing you made of my post missed the mark entirely, skit.

I think about 3 different examples where non-religious people engaged in a struggle against awesomely powerful and bad enemies went religious, and it helped them -- Non religious Jewish people in the Warsaw resistance, city dwelling Native Americans in the Pine Ridge battles, and educated lapsed Catholics fighting against US backed nazi death squads in Latin America. They were all fighting against death worshippers. Nazis are death worshippers.

That being said, as a Catholic I like the Jewish faith best in terms of proselytizing. The good religious ones know what they have, and don't care if anyone else agrees or knows it. They'll never come knocking at my door to tell me how I have it wrong, asking me to join in some religious endeavor organized along Amway distribution-style lines. Having to tell everyone about how you're right theologically smacks of insecurity and desperation, to me. Almost everybody is right.

Where my church falls down on proselytization is the same week they announced they were closing a couple dozen churches in Detroit, (a few years ago under Ratzinger), the church took up a second collection (nationwide) to support mission efforts to spread the Catholic faith to people living in primitive conditions in the 3rd world, who hadn't had the chance to hear about catholicism yet. So they sucked all the profits they could out of low income catholics in Detroit, then said sayonara and sold the tax exempt church property there, told them you're on your own, in terms of continuing to practice your catholic faith. The church was looking at remote areas in Indonesia, Africa, South America, where there are indigenous people in proximity to untapped natural resources, or in an area of geopolitical importance. If you're already catholic, but poor, they're done with you, but if you're not, they're coming to your area to turn you into a catholic.

So, I stiffed them in the collection. I mostly stiff them, except I'll give them a couple bucks to keep the lights and heat on, sometimes.

Response to Mc Mike (Reply #9)

niyad

(113,259 posts)
12. he has done some good sound bites, will grant you that. however, even though catholics
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 12:09 PM
Nov 2016

as individuals may not see women as less than fully human, it does not matter, because the founding principles of the church are based on misogyny and patriarchal bs.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
17. I'm a big fan of St. Brigid. The divine has both genders or neither.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 06:24 PM
Nov 2016

Thanks for the re, niyad. I always like your political viewpoint.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
19. some of us remember what the church did to those who saw the divine as feminine,
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 08:22 PM
Nov 2016

or simply refused to bow to a male authority figure. we have not forgotten.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
20. Ratzinger re-tooled the mass to try to make things less feminine, if possible.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 08:33 PM
Nov 2016

I know about a lot of the evil moves a lot of those men made, historically and currently make.

I never back them, and oppose them where I can.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
21. the "rat" was really something--what, I will not say in public.
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 08:35 PM
Nov 2016

we do appreciate your efforts, and those of others like you. without them, the church would not have made even the little bit of progress it has.

Mc Mike

(9,114 posts)
22. He's still squatting in Vatican city, ready to be an 'anti-pope'.
Tue Nov 8, 2016, 06:27 AM
Nov 2016

Sister Simone Campbell from Nuns on the Bus and NETWORK is good. Sister Pat Farrell from LCWR is, too. Nun Justice is good, Maryknolls are.

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2012/08/03/vatican-crackdown-catholic-sister-pat-farrell_n_1735672.html

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/07/29/us/us-nuns-weigh-response-to-scathing-vatican-critique.html

When the clergy goes the right way, good people support them. When they go the wrong way, good people oppose them. When they issue unsound edicts, we ignore them.

I was catholic before that runaway IG farben chemical salesman became pope and brought his hitler youth buddy in to enforce 'doctrine'.

Brigid hid the Irish naturists inside the violent conquering wave. "...she founded a monastery in Kildare, called the Church of the Oak. It was built above a pagan shrine to the Celtic goddess Brigid, which was beneath a large oak tree."
http://www.catholic.org/saints/saint.php?saint_id=453

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
10. I know. right.? It's not like he belongs to an organization with tons and tons of cash
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 08:22 AM
Nov 2016

that could help end poverty. I know I'm stupid but I would think many of the poor around the world would benefit from some family planning. But if we did that. Then a certain archaic, outdated organization wouldn't get as many members for life.

niyad

(113,259 posts)
11. don't forget the art and other treasures in the vatican vaults. I remember a segment
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 12:06 PM
Nov 2016

of some program many years ago that showed several churches in very poor areas in south america. the people were in extreme poverty, and yet, there were the churches, with gold and jewels in the altar pieces and all over. pretty damned sickening.

Guy Whitey Corngood

(26,500 posts)
15. If they do that I'll start going to church again and take everybody I
Mon Nov 7, 2016, 12:10 PM
Nov 2016

can with...... OK not really, but still. A good start indeed.

trotsky

(49,533 posts)
23. Yes, on all the topics over which he has no control, he says nice things.
Tue Nov 8, 2016, 04:42 PM
Nov 2016

On all the things he DOES control, he continues the regressive, anti-human policies of his church.

"Do as I say, not as I do."

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