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Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:09 AM Dec 2016

Donald Trumps Phone Conversation With the Leader of Pakistan Was Reckless and Bizarre

Source: TIME

According to a readout of the conversation from the Pakistani authorities, he apparently agreed to visit the country and said he was “ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play to address and find solutions to the outstanding problems.” He reportedly added: “You are a terrific guy. You are doing amazing work which is visible in every way.” The hilarity of his hyperbole aside, Trump’s intervention could have serious consequences for both regional and global stability.

First, a quick summary: since the British quit the subcontinent in 1947, India and Pakistan have fought four wars, of which three have been over the northern region of Kashmir. Heavily militarized, and divided between the two by a de facto border called the Line of Control (LoC), Kashmir is claimed in its entirely by both New Delhi and Islamabad. With tensions in the region climbing again in recent months, another war, many fear, could potentially go nuclear. Against this backdrop, Washington has a particularly tricky balancing act to negotiate if it is to help maintain stability.

Ties with Islamabad have deteriorated in recent years, with questions about Pakistan’s role in abetting terror groups souring relations. But although military and economic aid to Pakistan has been cut, reflecting U.S. frustration with Islamabad’s support for anti-American insurgent outfits such as the Taliban, the cord hasn’t been severed; Pakistan continues to receive hundreds of millions of dollars in U.S. financial support, and some in Washington question whether America can afford to walk away.

Washington has clearly been cultivating a regional counterweight to China, India’s powerful northern neighbor. China has noticed, and has correspondingly been building links with Pakistan. In fact, as Obama landed in India, China rolled out the red carpet for Pakistan’s then military chief, who was visiting Beijing. Around the same time, a commentary in the Global Times, a Chinese newspaper with close government ties, warned against what it called the West’s “ulterior motives” in deepening links with India


Read more: http://time.com/4587069/donald-trump-pakistan-phone-call-nawaz-sharif/

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Donald Trumps Phone Conversation With the Leader of Pakistan Was Reckless and Bizarre (Original Post) Sunlei Dec 2016 OP
He just has no clue what he is doing get the red out Dec 2016 #1
Oh, I disagree to a point. lark Dec 2016 #43
That! get the red out Dec 2016 #45
He's thinking about Trump Towers in every capital on Earth. harun Dec 2016 #61
This! smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #71
They can give Dump a tour of the Abbottabad compound HAB911 Dec 2016 #2
reaching out to all dictatorships bdamomma Dec 2016 #3
Nawaz Sharif, the Pakistani prime minister, is not a dictator. Bad Dog Dec 2016 #55
lol, assh*le dictatorships of the world UNITE! harun Dec 2016 #62
Time and Newsweek greymattermom Dec 2016 #4
The print media have been prolfic this election season BumRushDaShow Dec 2016 #6
+1 nt ProudProgressiveNow Dec 2016 #23
some of the print media did outstanding work prior to the election NewJeffCT Dec 2016 #28
more important than ever i believe barbtries Dec 2016 #42
Wish it were true. lark Dec 2016 #47
And NYT subsciptions have reportedly skyrocketed. JudyM Dec 2016 #53
Thank God the 'readouts' are still public government records. Sunlei Dec 2016 #58
Here's the "read-out" of their conversation MBS Dec 2016 #5
just reading that bdamomma Dec 2016 #7
My feelings exactly. n/t MBS Dec 2016 #9
please tell me this isn't real cab67 Dec 2016 #31
Felicitated Trump? DemoTex Dec 2016 #10
I ain't never been felicitated over the telephone before jberryhill Dec 2016 #21
Bet you didn't know that at some of these new-fangled COLGATE4 Dec 2016 #64
Well, I bet those students all cum laude after that! jberryhill Dec 2016 #67
Or if not, at least cum loudly. COLGATE4 Dec 2016 #70
Ah, I remember good old Magna... jberryhill Dec 2016 #74
Unfit and Dangerous man, Republicans allowed this to happen to America. Sunlei Dec 2016 #11
Agree 100% MBS Dec 2016 #12
Don't ever leave out the cable news and the FBI. world wide wally Dec 2016 #19
Republicans didn't need pay TV, they used free TV to spread hate, like birther crap. Sunlei Dec 2016 #29
"I am ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play"---WTF? The PRES of the US wordpix Dec 2016 #16
WTF is right. MBS Dec 2016 #18
as much as I like the term deplorable, War Pigs Dec 2016 #24
you are right. MBS Dec 2016 #25
instability. barbtries Dec 2016 #44
This quote should be on the front page of all major news sources today. JudyM Dec 2016 #54
I agree. n/t MBS Dec 2016 #76
And the right was complaining about Obama showing respect christx30 Dec 2016 #81
But, but he's Muslim SummerSnow Dec 2016 #30
The children make such great rugs. NT mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 #40
"and felicitated him" ??????? dixiegrrrrl Dec 2016 #49
I honestly thought I was reading a satire piece when I first saw that. I could not believe smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #72
I know, right? MBS Dec 2016 #75
It almost makes me physically ill. smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #78
you and me both. n/t MBS Dec 2016 #79
phlbt. barbtries Dec 2016 #8
wait until republicans allow China to take over the USAs spot in Asian-Pacific trade. much worse. Sunlei Dec 2016 #13
snuffles continues pushing against the pull door. nt Javaman Dec 2016 #14
+ 10, headline win. That should be the headline all over the world mahina Dec 2016 #57
I looked in his eyes and saw his soul SCVDem Dec 2016 #15
Nice summary of U.S. relations Pakistan. Nitram Dec 2016 #17
WSF! (We're so fucked) - nt KingCharlemagne Dec 2016 #20
Trying to still be a fucking salesman world wide wally Dec 2016 #22
Trump is in way over his head. democrank Dec 2016 #26
It will be interesting to see how much more damage the GOP can inflict on this country in 4 years. CentralMass Dec 2016 #27
A lot of damage, not just damage the UNFIT one will cause. ALL republicans will shove in new laws. Sunlei Dec 2016 #34
they both have nukes, also heaven05 Dec 2016 #32
"...final solution..." ?????? ewagner Dec 2016 #33
final solution means like russia/assad today and the nazis with the jews, kill the children too. Sunlei Dec 2016 #36
That's exactly what troubles me....the question is.... ewagner Dec 2016 #38
personally, I think there is something wrong with him & Republicans take advantage of this. Sunlei Dec 2016 #41
find solutions ...eom Kolesar Dec 2016 #39
You may be giving too much credit to Trump Perseus Dec 2016 #50
Good point.... ewagner Dec 2016 #60
Art of the deal diplomacy. How embarrassing. Freethinker65 Dec 2016 #35
"... he was ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play" left-of-center2012 Dec 2016 #37
PLAY????? bdamomma Dec 2016 #46
" Is Congress going to stand up to him????? " left-of-center2012 Dec 2016 #51
Let the embarrasment begin Perseus Dec 2016 #48
A neophyte, a novice bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #52
Oh, this is going to end well.... Big_K Dec 2016 #56
Step 3....House of Cards? Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #68
Well, at least Ryan wouldn't be my representative anymore Big_K Dec 2016 #80
Damn!!! heaven05 Dec 2016 #59
I can see India and Pakistan leaders laughing so hard they bond and sign a cooperative treaty. randome Dec 2016 #69
It will be news... potone Dec 2016 #63
This will certainly piss off the Indian community, that Trump was trying to woo in the election Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #65
to emphasize -- these are two nuclear armed neighbors, who have a very tense relationship Fast Walker 52 Dec 2016 #66
Do you think he is aware of the fact that he sounds like a complete idiot most of the smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #73
Still can't believe Republicons AND independents Generator Dec 2016 #77

get the red out

(13,462 posts)
1. He just has no clue what he is doing
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:13 AM
Dec 2016

And doesn't want a clue, getting a clue is just too much trouble, Pence can go get a clue, but he doesn't need to be worrying little Donnie with it.

lark

(23,097 posts)
43. Oh, I disagree to a point.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:24 AM
Dec 2016

Yes he is clueless and absolutely doesn't care what he's doing to us or to the world, he is focused like a laser on what he can do for himself. Guaranteed, he has some con going, something he wants from them and doesn't care about the cost because he won't be the one that pays it. He's really pretty simple, every single thing he does is about increasing his own power and wealth, that's his only motiviation in this entire world. So what if India and Pakistan go to war, if we sell them munitions, he can set it up to get a cut with UT of the profits. He has no heart or no morals whatsoever, is pure evil.

HAB911

(8,890 posts)
2. They can give Dump a tour of the Abbottabad compound
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:14 AM
Dec 2016

where they harbored bin Laden, that would be special

bdamomma

(63,840 posts)
3. reaching out to all dictatorships
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:15 AM
Dec 2016

dumpf is a terrible man, he is not even pResident yet and he is reaching out to these countries another nuclear country too.

Bad Dog

(2,025 posts)
55. Nawaz Sharif, the Pakistani prime minister, is not a dictator.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:10 PM
Dec 2016

He was elected to office on 11th May 2013. Donald Trump may be an idiot, but I bet he at least knew that before he made the phone call.

greymattermom

(5,754 posts)
4. Time and Newsweek
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:17 AM
Dec 2016

are becoming the source of news. Now, that's interesting. Print media and their internet presence may save us.

BumRushDaShow

(128,895 posts)
6. The print media have been prolfic this election season
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:27 AM
Dec 2016

but unfortunately, little of what they wrote about was considered worthy enough for consideration by teevee "pundits" (gasbags) or radio bloviators in rural areas, which is what more Americans apparently pay attention to.

NewJeffCT

(56,828 posts)
28. some of the print media did outstanding work prior to the election
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:40 AM
Dec 2016

but, Trump's supporters aren't reading Time & Newsweek. They're more the "Guns & Ammo" or "Soldier of Fortune" readers.

barbtries

(28,788 posts)
42. more important than ever i believe
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:21 AM
Dec 2016

after decades of not having a subscription, i subscribed to the NYTimes and the LATimes. I considered it more than just a way to keep in touch, but one way to support the first amendment. heaven knows i got no use whatsoever for cable news (with few exceptions). can't even watch the local news since the election. sigh.

lark

(23,097 posts)
47. Wish it were true.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:30 AM
Dec 2016

Repugs absolutely don't give a shit what horrible thing he does, they will NEVER hold him accountable, they want the power he gives them. Even if he got caught raping a 12 year old at the WH, they'd just put in Pence who's almost as bad domestilly, though he wont sell us out to Russia for personal profit as drumpf has long planned. Our only hope, and it's damn thin right now, is that Obama gets the evidence he needs to convict him of treason by colluding with Russia to steal our election. He's settled the fraud case, good luck NY in collecting, and scared away the young woman he raped at 13 by threatening murder of her entire family and her. Are all Repugs total traitors to the ideals of this country, just plain stupid, or so rich they will rake it in with his tax and destruction of the environment by removing all regulations proposals.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
5. Here's the "read-out" of their conversation
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:19 AM
Dec 2016
http://www.pid.gov.pk/?p=30445
Trump's ignorance is both embarrassing and dangerous, especially with regard to foreign policy. Ditto his shameless "crony capitalism" approach to the presidency.

PR No. 298 PM TELEPHONES PRESIDENT-ELECT USA Islamabad: November 30, 2016


Prime Minister Muhammad Nawaz Sharif called President-elect USA Donald Trump and felicitated him on his victory. President Trump said Prime Minister Nawaz Sharif you have a very good reputation. You are a terrific guy. You are doing amazing work which is visible in every way. I am looking forward to see you soon. As I am talking to you Prime Minister, I feel I am talking to a person I have known for long. Your country is amazing with tremendous opportunities. Pakistanis are one of the most intelligent people. I am ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play to address and find solutions to the outstanding problems. It will be an honor and I will personally do it. Feel free to call me any time even before 20th January that is before I assume my office.



On being invited to visit Pakistan by the Prime Minister, Mr. Trump said that he would love to come to a fantastic country, fantastic place of fantastic people. Please convey to the Pakistani people that they are amazing and all Pakistanis I have known are exceptional people, said Mr. Donald Trump.

bdamomma

(63,840 posts)
7. just reading that
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:29 AM
Dec 2016

is making me shiver. Scary this man is not well.

this quote from rump is horrible.

Pakistanis are one of the most intelligent people. I am ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play to address and find solutions to the outstanding problems. It will be an honor and I will personally do it. Feel free to call me any time even before 20th January that is before I assume my office.


 

jberryhill

(62,444 posts)
21. I ain't never been felicitated over the telephone before
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:13 AM
Dec 2016

Dang, what they can do with those phones now, eh.

COLGATE4

(14,732 posts)
64. Bet you didn't know that at some of these new-fangled
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

State "Universities" boys and girls are forced to share the same curriculum. It's also been reported (on Fox, of course) that they were seen matriculating together in broad daylight! Well I never...

wordpix

(18,652 posts)
16. "I am ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play"---WTF? The PRES of the US
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:00 AM
Dec 2016

is telling Pakistan, "Just tell me what to do and I'll do it. Let me be your puppet." Impeach!

MBS

(9,688 posts)
18. WTF is right.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:08 AM
Dec 2016

The Deplorable is unfit to be president in every way.

This is the first time in my life that I've really worried about our national security. And the worry is not so much from outside, but from INSIDE our country: from the people who supposedly (I confess that I am still in denial) will soon occupy the White House. There is, first of all, Trump. And then to advise him on national security, the traitorous, unstable, Dr. Strangelove-like Flynn. And maybe the convicted (and insufficiently punished) traitor Petraeus as well. And all the rest of them.

barbtries

(28,788 posts)
44. instability.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:24 AM
Dec 2016

anyone who didn't believe that a trump presidency would bring with it serious domestic instability was not paying attention. in fact his very campaign threatened the same. imagine if he had lost in a close election?

oh we are so fucked.

christx30

(6,241 posts)
81. And the right was complaining about Obama showing respect
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 06:08 PM
Dec 2016

by bowing. There are lightyears between a respectful bow and "tell me what you want me to do, and I'll do it".
No respect for Trump at all. He doesn't deserve anything.

dixiegrrrrl

(60,010 posts)
49. "and felicitated him" ???????
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:36 AM
Dec 2016

Almost looks like a mis-spelling..........
ahem.....


I had no idea that could be used as a verb.

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
72. I honestly thought I was reading a satire piece when I first saw that. I could not believe
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:24 PM
Dec 2016

that any potential "world leader" could possibly be so stupid, so evidently obsequious. It was nauseating.

We should be prepared to be embarrassed on a regular basis at a global level.

MBS

(9,688 posts)
75. I know, right?
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 07:07 PM
Dec 2016

Actually, I think that we'll be lucky if his words are "only" embarrassing.

I'm even more worried about the potentially dire consequences of his stupidity, lack of knowledge and curiosity, lack of sense of responsibility, personal insecurity, and unprecedented level of corruption/conflicts of interest for national security and international
relationships.

barbtries

(28,788 posts)
8. phlbt.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:29 AM
Dec 2016

as with all things trump, i know he's full of shit. does pakistan? does india? does china?

oh, the damage this man can do. seems nearly endless.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
13. wait until republicans allow China to take over the USAs spot in Asian-Pacific trade. much worse.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 09:43 AM
Dec 2016

we'll lose billions and billions of Canadian, Mexico, Australian, trade along with all the other signer countries moving ahead with the TPP without USA anymore.

mahina

(17,646 posts)
57. + 10, headline win. That should be the headline all over the world
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:21 PM
Dec 2016

For this hideously illuminating story.

What a travesty to have this lowlight 'leading' this country.

I'm looking for a silver lining. I guess we had too much power and influence.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
22. Trying to still be a fucking salesman
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:14 AM
Dec 2016

Everybody in the world except the American voter can see that. And it just pisses them off.

CentralMass

(15,265 posts)
27. It will be interesting to see how much more damage the GOP can inflict on this country in 4 years.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:39 AM
Dec 2016

I think that Trump has the potential to surpass Dubya in his capacity to wreak havoc on both foreign, fiscal, and domestic policies.

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
34. A lot of damage, not just damage the UNFIT one will cause. ALL republicans will shove in new laws.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:58 AM
Dec 2016

America will never be able to swat thousands of new mines, drilling, fracking, prison slave labor businesses, factory farms much worse than todays, animal shelters where instead of euthanasia unwanted pets are sold directly to labs like the old days.

Can get to the point where some asshole republican allows some dog fur country like china take the dogs live. Republicans already allow shipping of live horses outside our borders, including sea shipping containers stuffed full. A very, very small step to start with pet dogs and cats.

Horrible to stand by and watch Republicans fuck up our country and roll back any decent good positive changes.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
33. "...final solution..." ??????
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 10:57 AM
Dec 2016

Two points:

Either he doesn't understand/know about the unacceptable use of the term "final solution"; or,

he DOES know it and means that he'll assist Pakistan by "carpet bombing the hell" out it's enemies (does he know that means INDIA?!!!!)

either alternative is frightening as hell!

Sunlei

(22,651 posts)
36. final solution means like russia/assad today and the nazis with the jews, kill the children too.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:03 AM
Dec 2016

Those kids will just grow up as more 'enemies'.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
38. That's exactly what troubles me....the question is....
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:08 AM
Dec 2016

Does Trump actually know this or is he so incredibly ignorant he can't tie his own shoes? (in a political sense of coourse)

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
50. You may be giving too much credit to Trump
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:45 AM
Dec 2016

I may be wrong, but I don't think he knows the implications of what he says, I believe he doesn't think before he opens his mouth, or before he acts. I think he has had people act on his behalf all his life, mostly lawyers, and he has put very little thought to anything he has done, besides the grabbing part.

I believe he doesn't weigh out consequences of his actions or statements, there has always been a group of lawyers to get him out of trouble.

Anyway, that is the big danger with this guy, by not thinking he will do a lot of damage, and with the ball-less group of republicans pushing their chaotic agenda, things will not go well, specially for those who voted for him, they will hopefully understand that their contribution ended on November 8, 2016, after that they shall be forgotten and placed with the others who did not vote for him.

Because I am an optimist, I still have hopes that the Electoral College has been horrified enough by this Man-Child and the choices he has made so far to swamp Washington even further, and with real swamp material, do the right thing and elect HRC to office.

ewagner

(18,964 posts)
60. Good point....
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:58 PM
Dec 2016

I'd like to think you are right and that his allegiance to the Republican majorities and their radical, punitive agenda will cause a major uproar to remove both him and Pence from office but I'm not as optimistic as you.

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
37. "... he was ready and willing to play any role that you want me to play"
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:07 AM
Dec 2016
Geeze
And the GOP accused Obama of being too friendly with the Muslim world.

bdamomma

(63,840 posts)
46. PLAY?????
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:27 AM
Dec 2016

this is not a fucking game.


This man is going ruin our country. Is Congress going to stand up to him????? or are we??

left-of-center2012

(34,195 posts)
51. " Is Congress going to stand up to him????? "
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:48 AM
Dec 2016

I expect Congress will 'play' Trump like a fiddle and get what they want.

 

Perseus

(4,341 posts)
48. Let the embarrasment begin
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 11:34 AM
Dec 2016

I have to imagine the Pakistani Prime Minister must have had a very hard time containing his laughter, he never expected to have a ten year old on the other line.

It is a very scary conversation for many reasons, "I will play any roll you want me to play"???

Call me any time? and I will get you a deal with our new line of used cars...

You are fantastic, your country is fantastic, your people are fantastic, I almost feel like you are my brother...

This is by no means funny, this is very worrisome, and scary.

WTF????

Big_K

(237 posts)
56. Oh, this is going to end well....
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:12 PM
Dec 2016

The cabinet is Pence-worthy all the way.

Drumpf is going to either stay a figurehead or get impeached with the Repugs leading the charge. Then all is set for Prez Prince and the assault on women's rights, LGBTQ rights, middle class rights, etc.

(Step 3: Ryan gets himself appointed VP under Pence, then they get Pence to resign for some cushy job somewhere, and the coup is complete.)

Big_K

(237 posts)
80. Well, at least Ryan wouldn't be my representative anymore
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 04:32 PM
Dec 2016

And it's a lovely district where his home town votes against him.

It the local Democratic Party had any balls, they would be working against him. But they go to the fainting couch and wail that he is too unbeatable. Hell, they should have made a play to the Trumpites to vote against Ryan because he was so mean to their Dumpfuhrer.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
59. Damn!!!
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 12:34 PM
Dec 2016

these world leaders must be laughing their asses off at this fucking buffoonish clown potusfuhrer-in-waiting. I can hear them now laughing about how ameriKKKa has finally gotten its comeuppence for the generations of hidden racism and even more, that we have shown that ignorant voters that stayed in the background until a fascist leader raised his snake head to become the idiot leader of the idiot trumpfuhrer voters, are LEGION. AmeriKKKa has fallen to the lowest common denominator as the POS potusfuhrer-in-waiting has proved. Whatever god there may be, we are beyond help. Don't even try to save us. Do better to start all over.

 

randome

(34,845 posts)
69. I can see India and Pakistan leaders laughing so hard they bond and sign a cooperative treaty.
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 05:52 PM
Dec 2016

Which is what they should do: leave the U.S. out of it.
[hr][font color="blue"][center]Stop looking for heroes. BE one.[/center][/font][hr]

 

Fast Walker 52

(7,723 posts)
65. This will certainly piss off the Indian community, that Trump was trying to woo in the election
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 02:04 PM
Dec 2016

and in his business.

International diplomacy is hard...

 

smirkymonkey

(63,221 posts)
73. Do you think he is aware of the fact that he sounds like a complete idiot most of the
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 06:33 PM
Dec 2016

time or do you think he thinks he actually sounds like a brilliant statesman? If I was him, I would be embarrassed to ever show my face in public again.

 

Generator

(7,770 posts)
77. Still can't believe Republicons AND independents
Thu Dec 1, 2016, 08:25 PM
Dec 2016

Put their children's lives in the hands of this crackpot insane asshole. Nuclear war wasn't even enough to stop people from voting against this danger. What is wrong with people? I do not understand. I didn't love Hillary I liked her. I didn't love Bernie I liked him. I LOVE MY CHILDREN why don't those that voted against Hillary get that? Thanks for nothing anybody that didn't vote for Hillary. I guess I will blame you when the siren goes off. No bunkers anymore but for the very rich.

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