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brooklynite

(94,495 posts)
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:23 AM Dec 2016

Michigan attorney general files lawsuit to halt

Source: Politico

Michigan’s attorney general has filed a lawsuit to stop a recount of the presidential election results requested by Green Party nominee Jill Stein, his office announced on Friday.

“Michigan voters rejected Stein’s candidacy by massive margins but her refusal to accept that state-verified result poses an expensive and risky threat to hard-working taxpayers and abuses the intent of Michigan law,” Michigan Attorney General Bill Schuette, a Republican, said. “We have asked the court to end the recount which Stein is pursuing in violation of Michigan laws that protect the integrity of our elections. It is inexcusable for Stein to put Michigan voters at risk of paying millions and potentially losing their voice in the Electoral College in the process.”

Schuette’s lawsuit, filed on behalf of the state, asks the Michigan Board of Canvassers to reject Stein’s recount request on the grounds that Stein has acknowledged she has no evidence that fraud or widespread errors were committed.

Donald Trump won the state with 2,279,543 votes (47.5 percent), according to the results certified on Nov. 28 — 10,704 more than Hillary Clinton’s 2,268,839 (47.3 percent). Stein received just 51,463 votes (1.1 percent).

Read more: http://www.politico.com/story/2016/12/michigan-attorney-general-files-lawsuit-to-halt-recount-232114



Another reason we can't ignore State races.
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Michigan attorney general files lawsuit to halt (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2016 OP
Wow - these people are really afraid of something. Vinca Dec 2016 #1
They are publicly admitting they rigged it. lagomorph777 Dec 2016 #18
I dont think so. Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #26
There is no reason to oppose a recount if you know you won fairly. lagomorph777 Dec 2016 #37
Fair enough Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #44
Only Republicans believe that blocking recounts is acceptable practice in a democracy lagomorph777 Dec 2016 #45
Im fine with recounts Travis_0004 Dec 2016 #46
same state AG heaven05 Dec 2016 #2
Crap...so now what??? Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #3
Apparently Clinton will have to step in. She'd better act fast, the days are limited. JudyM Dec 2016 #4
Question is - will she??? Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #5
Depends. Does the dog need to be walked? Spitfire of ATJ Dec 2016 #10
Shades of Florida and Shrub vs. Gore. JudyM Dec 2016 #6
SOS again. n/t RKP5637 Dec 2016 #8
"they" know that it was a dirty election Botany Dec 2016 #7
Boy, are they scared!!!!!!!!!! nt Chalco Dec 2016 #9
Isn't this the same AG that gave the green light to pad the courts with cronies from the governor turbinetree Dec 2016 #11
YES - he plans to run for Governor in 2018 KatyBR Dec 2016 #39
herr dumpster is a serial predator FASCIST turbinetree Dec 2016 #42
same AG that squandered the states resources fighting marriage equality etherealtruth Dec 2016 #41
I am so sick and tired of these whack jobs like this AG turbinetree Dec 2016 #43
As it's been said - "It ain't the vote that counts, it's who counts the votes". n/t CincyDem Dec 2016 #12
Obviously Republicans dont win elections anymore INdemo Dec 2016 #13
It seems to me that... Else You Are Mad Dec 2016 #14
What are they worried about? DeminPennswoods Dec 2016 #15
If we could only trust that we lived in a country of laws instead of this fucking partisan quagmire world wide wally Dec 2016 #16
If it's paid for, won't it employ Michigan residents and/or bring $$ to districts? kerouac2 Dec 2016 #17
For those who want to send an email Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #19
Thanks for this! pandr32 Dec 2016 #22
So is Schuette calling Trump a liar now then about voter fraud? Because thats what it sounds like. cstanleytech Dec 2016 #20
Tampering with an ongoing investigation bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #21
What investigation? nt B2G Dec 2016 #23
The recount bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #24
Objecting to a recount shouldn't be illegal. B2G Dec 2016 #28
Shutting down a recount in a democracy should be illegal bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #29
It's going before the courts B2G Dec 2016 #32
How do you think the courts will rule on this? Farmgirl1961 Dec 2016 #34
I have no idea, but B2G Dec 2016 #35
Unfortunately I think PRETZEL Dec 2016 #36
this is a legal counterpunch RoccoR2 Dec 2016 #25
What are they afraid of? They afraid of being found out and losing. wisteria Dec 2016 #27
schuette enid602 Dec 2016 #30
Is there any way that the tax payers in Michigan could actually be on the hook for costs inwiththenew Dec 2016 #31
From the article: B2G Dec 2016 #33
Stein Campaign reports MI filing fee is $973,250 which they are paying KatyBR Dec 2016 #40
MI Attorney General... Equinox Moon Dec 2016 #38

Vinca

(50,260 posts)
1. Wow - these people are really afraid of something.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:24 AM
Dec 2016

It must have been an organized plot to install "The Orange One."

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
26. I dont think so.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:28 PM
Dec 2016

The odds Jill Stein won are just about 0%. Its not worth the money to do a recount. Now perhaps Clinton won the state, but then she should have filed for a recount.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
37. There is no reason to oppose a recount if you know you won fairly.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 04:23 PM
Dec 2016

The only reasonable interpretation of Trump's panicked efforts to hide the truth is that the truth will not favor him.

And my comment had nothing to do with Stein.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
44. Fair enough
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 07:29 PM
Dec 2016

If the voters are at risk of paying million the law should be changed so next time the person protesting the vote pays all the cost.

lagomorph777

(30,613 posts)
45. Only Republicans believe that blocking recounts is acceptable practice in a democracy
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 12:29 PM
Dec 2016

Off to the killfile with you.

 

Travis_0004

(5,417 posts)
46. Im fine with recounts
Mon Dec 5, 2016, 01:32 PM
Dec 2016

But the taxpayers should not be forced to pay everytime somebody request a recount.

 

heaven05

(18,124 posts)
2. same state AG
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:26 AM
Dec 2016

Last edited Fri Dec 2, 2016, 07:03 PM - Edit history (1)

that prevented Flint residents from suing snyder for willfully poisoning the Flint water supply. Shit is just starting.

edit: THE MICHIGAN BOARD OF ELECTORS denied AG request to halt recount. Michigan recount, by hand, shall go forward

Botany

(70,489 posts)
7. "they" know that it was a dirty election
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:36 AM
Dec 2016

Any state that used "Crosscheck" should at the very least be challenged.

How many states ran the software program called "crosscheck?" And if so their
outcomes should be challenged. This was not an election but a criminal action
to manipulate the outcome reguardless of how the people voted.

We need an audit of any state that ran "Crosscheck." Call or write the POTUS,
Dem. Congress Critters, the D o J, and the (what I think is useless) DNC.

**********

http://www.gregpalast.com/election-stolen-heres/

Before a single vote was cast, the election was fixed by GOP and Trump operatives.

Starting in 2013 – just as the Supreme Court gutted the Voting Rights Act – a coterie of Trump operatives, under the direction of Kris Kobach, Kansas Secretary of State, created a system to purge 1.1 million Americans of color from the voter rolls of GOP–controlled states.

The system, called Crosscheck, is detailed in my Rolling Stone report,
“The GOP’s Stealth War on Voters,” 8/24/2016.

Crosscheck in action:
Trump victory margin in Michigan: 13,107
Michigan Crosscheck purge list: 449,922

Trump victory margin in Arizona: 85,257
Arizona Crosscheck purge list: 270,824

Trump victory margin in North Carolina: 177,008
North Carolina Crosscheck purge list: 589,393

On Tuesday, we saw Crosscheck elect a Republican Senate and as President, Donald Trump. The electoral putsch was aided by nine other methods of attacking the right to vote of Black, Latino and Asian-American voters, methods detailed in my book and film, including “Caging,” “purging,” blocking legitimate registrations, and wrongly shunting millions to “provisional” ballots that will never be counted.

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
11. Isn't this the same AG that gave the green light to pad the courts with cronies from the governor
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:53 AM
Dec 2016

not to prosecute the Flint Michigan water fiasco, but to go after some low hanging buddies on the tree of corruption.

Hey AG, guess what, when some one files a lawsuit to have a voter recount in a general election, you can't deny the request, and say it's going to cost to much, if you had a reliable system, and no shenanigans, then you wouldn't have any problems right, what are you trying to hide behind, your political corruption.

Just think how corrupt you and your courts are, you let a right wing governor appoint city managers.

You do realize there zippy, that the citizens or a candidate that was on a ballot has a right to challenge, and they are DEPUTIZED by the Constitution to ask for this recount, because they want to see how your state tallied the vote they cast, it's real simple.

You and your minions are not judge, jury and executioner in this matter--------------so quit whining, lets see if a state actor or your state complete inability to have a integrity voting system in place, because apparently their are some serious questions that need to be asked and answered, because "zippy" it's a democracy, or did you fail that course in law school.

Your Koch allies can't stop this dude, it's not in the cards that you and them continue to stack in your right wing scheme of deceit and deception and outright fraud, not happening


KatyBR

(183 posts)
39. YES - he plans to run for Governor in 2018
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 06:11 PM
Dec 2016

"Schuette, a Republican who is expected to run for governor in 2018, chaired the presidential campaign of former Florida Gov. Jeb Bush before supporting Trump as the party nominee."
<snip>

Mark Brewer, a Southfield attorney representing the Stein campaign, denounced Schuette's action as "unprecedented interference by a partisan attorney general on a matter that should be handled routinely by the Board of Canvassers."
<snip>

Stein issued a news release Friday afternoon that said: “We won’t stand down as Donald Trump and his allies seek to frivolously obstruct the legal processes set up to ensure the accuracy, security and fairness of our elections." She said that "by putting party politics above country, Trump is needlessly delaying what should be a routine verification of the democratic process."

http://www.freep.com/story/news/local/michigan/2016/12/02/mich-ag-schuette-moves-halt-presidential-recount/94797612/

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
42. herr dumpster is a serial predator FASCIST
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 06:58 PM
Dec 2016

and as soon as the "general" public come to this reality the better off they will be.

As for the AG of this state he also is a serial predator supporter and a fascist, so for him to go around and yell "law and order" maybe he should go back to school and be re-taught on what serial predators are, and then if he passes that exam, then he should be fired.

When someone a "law enforcement officer" in that position thinks that when someone on a presidential ballot cannot demand a recount in a election, then just maybe they should pack there right wing racist fascist supporting bags and go over and live in Russia.

The dumpster/ right wing republican party operatives knows that the machines were hacked, the U.S. Justice Department is now stating in not so many words that a a state actor "Russia" had access to machines in the election process.

And the drumpster can whine all he wants, he is a loser, and authoritarian narcissistic megalomaniac hypocrite, trying his hardest to pad his bankrupted wealth off the backs of the treasury in this country.

If Stein and Clinton want me to send money to help find out what happened so be it, what his he and his right wing party afraid of, that something smells fishing in this election, they can run but they can't hide

turbinetree

(24,695 posts)
43. I am so sick and tired of these whack jobs like this AG
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 07:13 PM
Dec 2016

he went and approved with the help of the state supreme court to give the governor of the state the right to circumvent ballots in cities, because Font sizes, and to "install" managers". the state is not some corporation, the voters made a decision to use the state Constitution to ask for a recount---------------there is no if's or and's about this.

Stein and Clinton where on the national ballot, they can by law request a recount, in any state-------------the only way they can stop it is to go to the U.S. Supreme Court and right now its 4 and 4 and all ties go to the person requesting the action, what are they afraid of, questions are being asked and these tow people on the national ballot and people that want to know what happened want answers, the DOJ in no uncertain terms has said that a state actor "Russia" has hacked some machines, why would 6 members on the intelligence committee send a letter to tell the president to tell the people of this country what they know and what he should be telling us, the citizens of this country

If I lived in that state everyday I would be on that public sidewalk, with a sign that says, the AG, Governor and the state supreme court are fascists.

Marriage equality is a human being issue, that should be private issue between human beings, no one and I mean no one as some right to deny or infringe on a human being to have feelings for someone else--what a jerk

INdemo

(6,994 posts)
13. Obviously Republicans dont win elections anymore
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 11:58 AM
Dec 2016

(since they got away with it in 2000 and 2004) they expect to let the Republican clerks and Republican appointed court system steal it for them
So here we have a Republican governor,Republican State House,a Republican AG so so could we have expected anything different?
They are hiding something.

Else You Are Mad

(3,040 posts)
14. It seems to me that...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:00 PM
Dec 2016

The AG must know that some glaring examples of 'voting irregularities' will be uncovered that will point all the way to the top in Michigan. He must be pissing his pants.

DeminPennswoods

(15,278 posts)
15. What are they worried about?
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:01 PM
Dec 2016

Michigan's automatic recount threshold is 2,000 vote margin in statewide races. But they must be worried about something.

world wide wally

(21,740 posts)
16. If we could only trust that we lived in a country of laws instead of this fucking partisan quagmire
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:07 PM
Dec 2016

(Maybe swamp would be a better word)

kerouac2

(449 posts)
17. If it's paid for, won't it employ Michigan residents and/or bring $$ to districts?
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:08 PM
Dec 2016

Not only would that money go to the state and workers, but think about the bump in revenue local biz (ie: restaurants and hotels) might have because of this...

Seems like a win win for MI residents and they should come down on their AG for turning his back on a clear benefit to them...

Farmgirl1961

(1,493 posts)
19. For those who want to send an email
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 12:16 PM
Dec 2016

Send an email now:
To: elections@michigan.gov
Subject Heading: Recount
To the Michigan Bureau of Elections:
I am writing to express strong support for the recount of votes cast in Michigan in the recent presidential election. I strongly oppose any effort by Donald Trump or anyone else to block or impede this recount.
Sincerely,
Your Name

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
28. Objecting to a recount shouldn't be illegal.
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:34 PM
Dec 2016

And it's not an investigation.

Sorry, but it's just not.

bucolic_frolic

(43,123 posts)
29. Shutting down a recount in a democracy should be illegal
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:46 PM
Dec 2016

it's how we as a country decide things

not counting ballots is against everything a democracy stands for

It is an investigation of sorts - investigating how voters cast their ballots and
for whom

it may not meet the legal terms of an investigation, but that's what it is

and to deep six it because some political entity says so is in essence

squelching it

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
35. I have no idea, but
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 02:58 PM
Dec 2016

I'm thinking they're going to give significant thought to whether or not the recount can be finished before the EC votes.

If it can't, I think the recount will not go forward. The public outcry would be deafening.

If Stein had offered any kind of proof of tampering, that would be another story, but she didn't. That will weigh heavy on the ultimate decision, I'm sure.

PRETZEL

(3,245 posts)
36. Unfortunately I think
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 02:59 PM
Dec 2016

all 3 are going to reject Ms. Stein's recount petition.

Whoever makes the first decision will automatically have their opinion as legal basis for the other 2. Same would be said if it's allowed to go forward.

And naturally, that same opinion will be challenged.

inwiththenew

(972 posts)
31. Is there any way that the tax payers in Michigan could actually be on the hook for costs
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 01:50 PM
Dec 2016

Like he's saying or would she have to pay everything up front?

 

B2G

(9,766 posts)
33. From the article:
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 02:35 PM
Dec 2016

"Schuette’s suit refers to her request as “dilatory and frivolous,” and his office argues Stein’s campaign will pay less than $800,000 for the recount, leaving taxpayers to cover the remainder of a bottom line that could balloon to $5 million."

I thought the cost to Stein was in the millions, not $800K

KatyBR

(183 posts)
40. Stein Campaign reports MI filing fee is $973,250 which they are paying
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 06:17 PM
Dec 2016

Cost of Michigan Recount

The total cost of the recount in the three states combined will be approximately $9.5 million, given the unexpected fee increase in Wisconsin from $1.1 to $3.5 million. The money will cover required payments to states, lawyers, volunteer recruitment and other technical assistance.
The filing fee for a recount in Michigan is $973,250.
The Stein campaign is currently recruiting volunteers to observe the hand recount that would take place in 19 sites where the votes were cast.

Volunteers can sign up and get more information on http://www.Jill2016.com/recountMI.

source: http://www.jill2016.com/recountmiinfo

Equinox Moon

(6,344 posts)
38. MI Attorney General...
Fri Dec 2, 2016, 05:27 PM
Dec 2016

It is OKAY for America's voting system to be audited. You don't need to be afraid of it.


Actually, there should be random auditing post-elections all across this country. We have a right to know if the system is working properly.

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