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brooklynite

(94,502 posts)
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 02:40 PM Dec 2016

Chris Kennedy moving closer to bid for governor

Source: Politico

Businessman Chris Kennedy is interviewing potential pollsters and consultants as he moves toward a possible 2018 gubernatorial run, sources close to Kennedy told POLITICO Illinois.

Kennedy, son of the late Robert F. Kennedy, has increased his public profile since the spring and has publicly discussed the possibility of running for governor without making commitments.

Top Illinois Democrats who have met with Kennedy say they would welcome his candidacy but were not sure if he'll actually make the run, given his flirtations with higher office in the past.

But a top aide to Kennedy told POLITICO Illinois on Tuesday that he is preparing to file papers with the state board of elections "in short order some time in the next month."

Read more: http://www.politico.com/states/illinois/story/2016/12/chris-kennedy-hiring-staff-to-roll-out-governor-run-in-short-order-107878



Reportedly, businessman J.B. Pritzger is also considering a run for the D nomination.
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AKing

(511 posts)
1. Please run so we can get rid of the clueless corporate vulture Bruce Rauner currently occupying...
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 03:37 PM
Dec 2016

the office. 2 years and we still can't get a budget because he is determined to destroy the unions. Today he's bailing out Exelon with billions while he vetoes funding for Chicago school children.

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
2. Does he have anything to merit being Governor other than inheriting a name?
Wed Dec 7, 2016, 10:36 PM
Dec 2016

In this blurb there's no mention of any achievements.

Overall, the history of the Kennedy Family in American politics has been rather dubious.

Joe Sr. was an enemy of FDR of the worst sort, an isolationist who was rather too cozy with fascism in its time; and Eleanor Roosevelt thought John a bit of a trifling fool.

Ted became alright once he grew up and became a man, the only problem being that he didn't grow up all that quickly and probably became a man sometime in his 50's, far too late given his responsibility. He worked hardest to sabotage President Carter.

I don't think that being a Kennedy makes you a decent person or a desirable leader.

senaca

(209 posts)
3. Kennedy accomplishments
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 12:15 AM
Dec 2016


It looks like Chris Kennedy's Top Box Food endeavor helps people in poor areas get groceries. It will be interesting to see what ideas that he has for Illinois.

Did you read Doris Kearns Goodwin's book on the Kennedy's? It's been awhile but wasn't Joe Senior part of FDR's administration at the start of the SEC as commissioner? What about Eunice Shrivers founding of the Special Olympics, RFK Jr.s work with the environment, and Joseph P. Kennedy's LIHEAP, also have been good.

JFK's oratory for that of a "trifling fool" was inspirational and RFK's. work with Civil Liberties and Rights are missed today. We need more Senator's today who are not only talking about Civil Rights, but joining the picket lines for causes that are just.

After both JFK and RFK were killed the family didn't have to stay involved in activism but they did.

To me, Teddy will go down as one of our greatest Senators.




NNadir

(33,512 posts)
5. I abhor RFK junior's "work for the environment." It was uninformed, unenlightened and frankly...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:15 AM
Dec 2016

...self serving and ignorant.

His work to build a natural gas terminal off the coast of Malibu was, as every effort to use so called "clean natural gas," is an environmental crime against all future generations.

I happen to think wind energy is a useless waste of effort that has, is and will, waste scarce resources fail to address climate change, but if RFK Jr. really supported it, one questions why he would object when it was being proposed for "his back yard," specifically is view. How mindlessly bourgeois is that?

FDR despised Joe Kennedy but on occasion kissed up to him for his alleged control of the catholic irish vote in Massachusetts. He sent him as ambassador to the UK to get him out of the country, since he believed Kennedy was going to endorse his Republican opponent in 1940, Wendell Wilkie, and in fact, FDR conducted his relations with Britain behind Joe Kennedy's back.

I wrote about this, the Roosevelt Kennedy relationship, elsewhere: The Nuclear Shill Apologizes.

In 1960, Joe Kennedy went around to all his friends to inform them confidently that no son of his was a liberal. He was probably not lying.

JFK watched Martin Luther King's "I Have a Dream" speech on television, just down the road from the Washington Mall, and was mostly worried about how it would effect southern votes - in the then Democratic "solid south" - in his re-election bid.

The Cuban Missile Crisis was a very near thing, and a big part of the reason was how unprepared Kennedy was for the Vienna Summit with Khrushchev, who regarded Kennedy as an incompetent light weight flake who could be pushed around. (I worry about something similar involving Putin and that fool President-electoral college Trump, since like Kennedy in 1961, he is an incompetent flake.)

Kennedy was an unapologetic "cold warrior," probably the most right wing Democratic President of the 20th century, at least if one minimizes or ignores Woodrow Wilson's well known racism. (Kennedy's 1960 campaign against Nixon involved reference to a non-existent "missile gap," where the missiles were armed with nuclear weapons. He thought we didn't have enough of them.) I don't know what is worse, almost blundering into a nuclear war or being a stupid bigot, as Wilson was. Stupid bigotry is reversible; a world wide nuclear war is not.

While JFK did have a great speechwriter in Ted Sorensen, and could read other people's work in a convincing way as if it were his own work, he is often discussed in terms of being the most over-rated President in our history.

I would never consider voting for anyone because of his or her name. I voted for Ms. Clinton for who she is, not for who her husband was.

senaca

(209 posts)
9. I would not consider voting for anyone because of their name
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:56 AM
Dec 2016

However, I would not reject his candidacy outright because I had a gripe with his ancestry.

What I am tired of is the demonization of Democratic Presidency's or era's. President Kennedy was in too short of a time to truly know what he would have done as President had he had four full years as President. He did inspire our nation to dream big. It's hard to look at his mistakes without the context of the times.

I've seen high school history books that say that FDR's programs were failed programs, the Civil Right's movement was covered in two paragraphs. I lodged an objection at the time to no avail. The sixties and seventies were one chapter with President's Kennedy and LBJ's work downgraded. The sixties talked about hippies who took drugs. President Carter was downgraded also, however the books have a whole chapter on President Reagan and his supposed greatness. How about we start looking at the good that these President's did? By the way didn't Wilson's administration make it possible for Women to have the right to vote and weren't his league of nations a precursor to the United Nations?

NNadir

(33,512 posts)
10. Well, since no one was willing to tell me anything about CHRIS Kennedy, other than his ancestry...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 10:09 PM
Dec 2016

...I looked him up on Wikipedia. It looks like he's a hereditary real estate developer with a nice and cute penchant for throwing some of the money that he was, um, born with on certain kinds of noble causes.

His chief political work seems heavily involved in getting other members of the Kennedy family elected to office.

I actually don't see a damned thing in his Wikipedia profile that would make me hungry for him to run for office. It's not like he's, um, Barack Obama or for that matter, Bill Clinton, both of whom started out life in far different circumstances.

I'm not going to apologize for high school history books; I tend to read serious histories in my own library or the two major university library systems in New Jersey.

You may think that John Kennedy's tenure was short, but it was certainly long enough to bring the world close to the brink of a nuclear war. For me that about sums up his "accomplishments." I will give him credit for one thing; which was for launching the "space race." This of course, began as a cold war gesture after he became President, probably to cover up that his campaign rhetorical cold war mongering about a missile gap clearly was a full line of shit with no basis in reality.

I note that he was too lazy to actually consult with real engineers and scientists before making this moon launch commitment, and is probably the case that the creation of the "race" challenged American engineers to climb to new heights, resulting in the invention of the modern computer. But, as was the case in the Civil Rights case, in which he was a bystander more or less, the actual execution of the task was accomplished under Lyndon Johnson, a far more capable man. Johnson deserves credit for his commitment to human rights, although again, Vietnam will always be a scar around his historical record. He was a better President in any case than the man he succeeded, by far.

I don't regard Woodrow Wilson, JFK, or Jimmy Carter has having been great Presidents in the 20th century, if you must know. None of these three could shine Barack Obama's shoes as President. They were also inferior to Bill Clinton, Harry Truman, and of course, FDR. I'd rank Obama, a 21st century President, with the latter four, even though racists are going to spend four years attempting in a Gotterdammarung orgy of destruction aimed at proving that they're mindless little bigots who can't stand the fact, the undeniable fact, that a black man was more competent, more educated, more decent, and more intelligent than their tiny skulls are competent to imagine.

(In my view the greatest Democrat of the 20th century was not a President at all; she was a first lady, Eleanor Roosevelt.)

Wilson only switched his opposition to the 19th amendment in 1918; this after nearly a century of hard work by people with whom he had very little to do, specifically those people who recognized that women were, in fact, fully competent human beings. It's absurd to attach any credit to him for this amendment.

The League of Nations was a failure; totally his brain child, and probably the palimpsest for the United Nations. He was not inspiring enough to sell it in his own country; and the United States never joined. It may have been a good idea, but it was ineptly handled; and in any case, it doesn't excuse the fact that while he may have been concerned for the rights of Czechs and Poles, he despised a large part of the American population, specifically its African American citizens. When he was President of Princeton University he declared that no African Americans would be admitted to that university since they were obviously (in his bigoted brain) inferior to the white male class to which he belonged.

As for Jimmy Carter, one cannot help but admire his years after he left office, but what I remember is that while talking superciliously about human rights, as President, his best international friend was a man running a police state with a savage secret police known for tortures too grotesque to describe, specifically the SAVAK, the secret police of the Shah of Iran. His energy ideas were not informed by either science or engineering, even though he had some engineering training. We are very, very, very very fortunate that his awful coal to liquids policies were never able to become mainstream, as we'd now be even worse off from a climate change stance than we are now, and trust me, we are in very, very, very, very, very, very bad shape. His biofuels policy may have been a marginal "success" but only at the expense of the complete destruction of the Mississippi delta ecosystem. The decay of the atmosphere is accelerating at the fastest rate ever observed and the quaint fascination that he had with so called "renewable energy," in particular solar energy, did in fact become very popular, but is demonstrably useless in the fight against climate change. The worst thing he did for climate involved demonizing the element plutonium. From my perspective, that element was the last best hope for the human race, but it is now far too late to retrieve the situation.

Have a nice Friday.

 

zippythepinhead

(374 posts)
7. you sound like
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:06 AM
Dec 2016

a Kennedy hater. His father was a great man who would have become president if he had not been assassinated.

He's a democrat. Why are you smearing him?






























NNadir

(33,512 posts)
8. Sorry. I don't believe in a hereditary government, and while I always vote Democratic...
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 09:29 AM
Dec 2016

...I am not convinced that in every case the Democratic Candidate who wins a nomination is necessarily the best and brightest. Sometimes it really is a "lesser of two evils" argument, although I haven't felt that way in the last several decades.

If my father had been a great brain surgeon, this would not have entitled me to a medical license.

This said, I'm not sure that RFK would have been a good President.

I don't regard the record of JFK/RFK as an overall positive outcome in US history.

JFK almost blew up the world. That he managed to stop the process that he helped put in motion does not make him a great man. If I wreck a car and then get it restored at a great body shop, it doesn't mean I am a great driver.

I think Lyndon Johnson on domestic policy was a far superior President, and while he is justly faulted for Vietnam, the cold war rhetoric being hyped at the time of his accession to the President did not make any decisions about Vietnam politically easier to make.

My opinions on the Kennedy family are based on reading the historical record. I refuse to apologize for reading history (or any other kind) of literature and for drawing conclusions based on such reading.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
6. The best way to have a true democracy is to run the members of the same families repeatedly
Thu Dec 8, 2016, 08:25 AM
Dec 2016

run for high office.

Please clap.

Tatiana

(14,167 posts)
12. He has my vote, if he runs. Looks like Durbin will stay in the Senate.
Fri Dec 9, 2016, 01:36 AM
Dec 2016

This could be a way for Chris to raise his political stature. I haven't always agreed with his positions as head of the Board of Trustees at the University of Illinois, but he has always offered explanations for his reasoning. He is fairly progressive and would be a vast improvement over the current Scott Walker-lite, billionaire Republican Bruce Rauner.

Hopefully he can put together a credible campaign staff that can make him a bit more personable. As we have seen, unfortunately, likability is a factor in elections.

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