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brooklynite

(94,490 posts)
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:17 AM Dec 2016

Aleppo: Reports of executions as Syrian army closes in

Source: CNN

Forces loyal to the Syrian regime have been entering homes in the last pockets of Aleppo held by rebels and shooting people on the spot, the United Nations has said.

A spokesman for the UN High Commissioner for Human Rights said he had been told that 82 civilians, including women and children, were shot in their homes or on the streets on Monday.

The grim reports came as government forces continued their advance on the last of the rebel-held neighborhoods in Aleppo, once Syria's commercial and cultural heart. Government forces on Tuesday were in control of most of eastern Aleppo, as the four-year battle for the city neared a bloody end.

Read more: http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/12/middleeast/aleppo-syria-government-gains/index.html



Sadly, I can remember when some people used to claim that reports of Syrian Government atrocities were nothing more than "MIC propaganda".
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Aleppo: Reports of executions as Syrian army closes in (Original Post) brooklynite Dec 2016 OP
And those troops are backed by Putin Botany Dec 2016 #1
Combat may end soon. David__77 Dec 2016 #2
Is that how you describe it? frazzled Dec 2016 #5
Yeah, that's really not how I would have phrased it, either. Tommy_Carcetti Dec 2016 #6
Yes. David__77 Dec 2016 #10
There is a value judgment attached to the notion of "unified" frazzled Dec 2016 #11
I don't claim that my description is neutral. David__77 Dec 2016 #13
Sorry, but this "situation" is not "either good or bad"... Wuddles440 Dec 2016 #12
War is insanity. David__77 Dec 2016 #14
As soon as Russia sent troops in Yupster Dec 2016 #18
Thank you for posting. Chiquitita Dec 2016 #3
pic: Syrian children flee with their families from the Bustan al-Qasr neighborhood in Aleppo on Tue riversedge Dec 2016 #4
Im at a loss for words. democrank Dec 2016 #7
So am I. This is just so heartbreaking and almost too overwhelming smirkymonkey Dec 2016 #9
This situation is just unbelievably awful. leftyladyfrommo Dec 2016 #8
Kick Cal Carpenter Dec 2016 #15
No matter who won this was going to happen. AngryAmish Dec 2016 #16
As someone who's been to Aleppo, no. brooklynite Dec 2016 #17

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
5. Is that how you describe it?
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:49 AM
Dec 2016

"Unified"? As if this were a good thing? As if tens of thousands in the city had not fled or been bombed or shot? As if millions in the country had not already met similar fates?

That's sort of like saying Europe was "unified" under the Nazi regime after all the Jews and other "undesirables" fled or were murdered, or otherwise deported and sent to meet their deaths in the starvation camps and gas chambers.

Amazing sangfroid.

Tommy_Carcetti

(43,166 posts)
6. Yeah, that's really not how I would have phrased it, either.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:53 AM
Dec 2016

So sad all of this started with peaceful demonstrations a few years back and turned into a bloodbath by Assad and Putin.

David__77

(23,369 posts)
10. Yes.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:07 PM
Dec 2016

I didn't use "unified" to indicate the situation as being either bad or good. I meant that, across the large majority of the city, there will be a unified political administration.

frazzled

(18,402 posts)
11. There is a value judgment attached to the notion of "unified"
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:53 PM
Dec 2016

Because you didn't say unified under a despotic (perhaps even genocidal) regime, even.

To say that the city is unified disregards the fact that there is no opposition left there to be non-unified: they are either displaced or dead.

Unified is the wrong term. I don't know what the right one is: occupied? conquered? overtaken? But it is certainly not unified.

How can you nonchalantly claim that your description of Aleppo as simply unified under a single political administration is neutral when that administration's "forces had also reportedly entered homes and killed those they found inside, including women and children." When a United Nations official calls this Aleppo assault “a complete meltdown of humanity.” That's not a unified government administration for the city: it's war crimes.

David__77

(23,369 posts)
13. I don't claim that my description is neutral.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:09 PM
Dec 2016

I claimed that I didn't use "unified" to indicate the situation as being either bad or good. That said, a standard dictionary only conveys whatever value judgment may be communicated by "to make or become a single unit; unite." I take that as a workable definition.

I'm familiar with the UN statement, which may be found here: http://www.ohchr.org/EN/NewsEvents/Pages/DisplayNews.aspx?NewsID=21022&LangID=E.

Wuddles440

(1,121 posts)
12. Sorry, but this "situation" is not "either good or bad"...
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 01:02 PM
Dec 2016

it's actually horrendous! It's an absolute affront to humanity and anyone with any decency would recognize that we're witnessing an incredible travesty.

Yupster

(14,308 posts)
18. As soon as Russia sent troops in
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 04:18 AM
Dec 2016

this became the natural result.

Our time to do anything about this was before Russia sent in troops. After that it was just a matter of time before Assad retook what he wanted.

Since it's going to happen, I'd rather it happen quickly and the rebels leave the country. I just hope we'll protect the Kurds once Assad turns on them. They deserve better than abandonment.

riversedge

(70,185 posts)
4. pic: Syrian children flee with their families from the Bustan al-Qasr neighborhood in Aleppo on Tue
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 11:39 AM
Dec 2016



Syrian children flee with their families from the Bustan al-Qasr neighborhood in Aleppo on Tuesday.

leftyladyfrommo

(18,868 posts)
8. This situation is just unbelievably awful.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 12:02 PM
Dec 2016

Those poor people.

There is no Syria left. It is all just a pile of rubble out in the desert. I hope Assad is happy. He completely destroyed a whole country and massacred thousands and thousands of people.

 

AngryAmish

(25,704 posts)
16. No matter who won this was going to happen.
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 08:53 PM
Dec 2016

The people there have had too much history, too much tribal hate and the only reason a lid was kept on it this long was because Assad the Elder was such a butcher.

brooklynite

(94,490 posts)
17. As someone who's been to Aleppo, no.
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:50 AM
Dec 2016

My wife and I were there in 2011. The Shia got along with the Sunni; the Muslims got along with the Christians. What HAPPENED was that the Syrians (majority Sunni) got in their heads after the Arab Spring that they had an opportunity for Democracy.

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