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pbmus

(12,422 posts)
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 10:25 PM Dec 2016

Why the Obama administration didn't respond earlier to Russian hacks

Source: CNN

For months, Obama administration officials have debated how to respond to Russian hacks they believed were intended to undermine the US elections. But they kept arriving at reasons not to respond publicly.

In addition to a fear of sparking a wider cyber-conflict and an attempt to save talks with Russia over Syria, the administration did not want to give Donald Trump reason to cry foul following what they were certain would be a Hillary Clinton victory.

Now it's Democrats who are suggesting that the elections were stolen, in part at least, by Russian hacking efforts aimed to hurt Clinton and boost Trump.

Read more: https://apple.news/AaRyNToD_Qbqb5ARuE7IE5g

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Why the Obama administration didn't respond earlier to Russian hacks (Original Post) pbmus Dec 2016 OP
They trusted Comey Warpy Dec 2016 #1
Comrade Comey ... pbmus Dec 2016 #2
Obama should have taken tRump out of the race Abouttime Dec 2016 #3
They can't hack into paper ballots folks. Get rid of these G'dm machines. YOHABLO Dec 2016 #4
Agreed. Throckmorton Dec 2016 #8
How long would it take to do a nationwide paper ballot count? HoneyBadger Dec 2016 #9
Post removed Post removed Dec 2016 #5
Welcome to DU.. pbmus Dec 2016 #6
The nutcase right is SO much better at working the refs! Nonstop loop of outrage and loud shrieking deurbano Dec 2016 #7
As with many other issues, Obama... roomtomove Dec 2016 #10
just like his pipeline stance ... "let it play out" Locrian Dec 2016 #11

Warpy

(111,141 posts)
1. They trusted Comey
Tue Dec 13, 2016, 10:31 PM
Dec 2016

That was their biggest blunder. He couldn't keep his Clinton hating, big fat mouth shut.

 

Abouttime

(675 posts)
3. Obama should have taken tRump out of the race
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:10 AM
Dec 2016

He could have had the DOJ charge tRump with a crime, he could have had the IRS release some incriminating information.
Now we're facing the prospect of the end of our country as we know it.
Obama must have been certain Hillary was going to win, otherwise he surely would have alerted the electorate that the Russians really were stealing the election for trump, if he did the election wouldn't have been close.
Instead of just winning by 3 million votes she would have won by 8 or 10.
Hopefully Obama and the Clintons are working behind the scenes to find some way to prevent tRump from being inaugurated.

 

HoneyBadger

(2,297 posts)
9. How long would it take to do a nationwide paper ballot count?
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 10:22 AM
Dec 2016

6 months? Recount? Another 6 months.

An issue is that paper ballots with no machines are easier to cheat with. If the election is tentatively won by 100k ballots, miraculously another box of 101k paper ballots shows up in a closet. Or someone burns a box of ballots. Same difference. No one can challenge it. With machines, at least you have an audit trail. With the electoral college, the popular vote does not matter as much, so it is less hackable.

Believe or not, there is no perfect system in a nation. Except maybe a caucus where everyone shows up at 8pm in a giant room and raises their hands at once while it is live streamed.

Response to pbmus (Original post)

deurbano

(2,894 posts)
7. The nutcase right is SO much better at working the refs! Nonstop loop of outrage and loud shrieking
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 07:01 AM
Dec 2016

about 'media bias', election rigging, and ongoing persecution of poor, abused Republicans:

<<In addition to a fear of sparking a wider cyber-conflict and an attempt to save talks with Russia over Syria, the administration did not want to give Donald Trump reason to cry foul following what they were certain would be a Hillary Clinton victory.>>

Krugman explained it best:

http://www.nytimes.com/2016/10/31/opinion/working-the-refs.html

(Though I think Comey is a contemptibly bad actor in his own right, even without any pressure being applied.)

roomtomove

(217 posts)
10. As with many other issues, Obama...
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 11:17 AM
Dec 2016

was just afraid to take a stand. This type of positioning is THE major weakness of his administration.

Locrian

(4,522 posts)
11. just like his pipeline stance ... "let it play out"
Wed Dec 14, 2016, 12:08 PM
Dec 2016

perfectly willing to do nothing unless absolutely forced to.

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