Traces of explosives found on victims of EgyptAir Flight 804

[Yo_Mama]

Source: USA Today

Traces of explosives have been found on some of the victims of the EgyptAir plane that crashed into the Mediterranean earlier this year, sparking a criminal investigation into the incident, Egypt’s Civil Aviation Ministry announced Thursday.

The crash of Flight 804 from Paris to Cairo killed all 66 people aboard on May 19. Investigators have said alarms heard on the plane’s recorders suggested sensors detected smoke in a lavatory on the Airbus A320 and problems with the cockpit windows. France opened a criminal investigation in June.

Read more: http://www.usatoday.com/story/news/world/2016/12/15/traces-explosives-found-victims-egyptair-flight-804/95463564/

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Also CNN:
http://www.cnn.com/2016/12/15/middleeast/egyptair-crash-explosive-material-found/

The accident is of course not new, but this is the first time this news has been released, and it now triggers a new phase in the international investigation. There are criminal referrals in France and Egypt.

[yeoman6987]

1. Oh great. Here comes trump. Ugh.

[Yo_Mama]

2. I didn't think of that - just of the awful end of the victims/crew, with fire on board.

Which was already determined.

Also the international repercussions. This flight was from Paris to Cairo, so the French security came into question. The French prosecutors had previously excluded terrorism and were conducting a negligent homicide investigation. I suppose that was somewhat politically convenient.

Now obviously that must change!

Egypt has come under much criticism for negligent security, and I suppose much of it is justified. But if a bomb or explosives took down this plane (and what other explanation could there be?), then one would think the security failure occurred in France.

And still with no group claiming responsibility, which is generally (but not always) untrue in cases of terrorism.

[yeoman6987]

3. The reason I brought him up was he insisted it was a bomb that took the plane out

Nobody believed him and laughed at him. I hope he just stays in his tower.

[Yo_Mama]

4. You have a better memory than I do. Yes, I think he should shut up.

I'm sure this is a political football, but the game is between France and Egypt, and the USA should remain on the sidelines unless we can help somehow.

Trump, not being noted for his sensitivity, may intrude himself.

[Kingofalldems]

8. yeoman6987, you have two posts in this thread propping up Donald Trump.

So obvious.
http://www.democraticunderground.com/?com=view_post&forum=1014&pid=1640956

Amazing though, how many are fooled by you.

[MosheFeingold]

9. Trump calls everything bad Islamic terrorism

With 1,000,000 shots in the air, he's bound to hit something, sometimes.

the problem is the 99,999,998 other times.

[cstanleytech]

5. Since no one claimed responsibility for it I'm leaning towards it being an accident

probably caused by someone smuggling something they shouldnt have on board or maybe even caused by a battery exploding from something like a laptop with a lithium battery.

[Yo_Mama]

6. That was the French take, and per Le Figaro today, that is still their assumption

https://translate.google.de/translate?sl=fr&tl=en&js=y&prev=_t&hl=de&ie=UTF-8&u=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.lefigaro.fr%2Fflash-actu%2F2016%2F12%2F15%2F97001-20161215FILWWW00201-vol-egyptair-traces-d-explosifs-sur-les-victimes.php&edit-text=

They deny that the explosive was found, and want the bodies examined by independents. (Which confuses me - do they know or not?)

But if explosive traces were found on the bodies (which is possible, the force of the explosion could drive particles into flesh), then the accident explanation is not likely at all.

An accident such as you are describing would not leave such traces.

[cstanleytech]

7. Except they are only saying there have been explosive traces found but that doesnt mean

the source was a bomb planted and like i said usually people and or groups want to take gleeful credit for that kind of stuff when they do it and it didnt happen here.

[Yo_Mama]

10. They are SAYING (and the French seem to be disputing) that traces of explosives

were detected. But it appears the French don't have the bodies to test.

If so, it rules out accident.

I don't know what's true. I hate to see an accident investigation turn into an international pissing contest. It's not good for anyone.

[Yo_Mama]

11. Lockerbie, one example. But very doubtful here, right?

It's just - is this an accident investigation or a political football?