Son's broken arm: Bill Huizenga says people must be responsible for own health care costs
Source: MLive
"At some point or another we have to be responsible or have a part of the responsibility of what is going on," Huizenga said. "Way too often, people pull out their insurance card.
"I don't know the difference or cost between an X-Ray or an MRI or CT Scan. I might make a little different decision if I did know (what) some of those costs were and those costs came back to me.
The father of five offered a personal example of how this shift might play out. He says his youngest son fell and injured his arm. Not sure if it was sprained or broken, he and his wife decided to wait until the next morning to take the 10-year-old to the doctor's office, instead of going to the emergency room that night. The arm was broken.
"We took every precaution but decided to go in the next morning (because of) the cost difference," Huizenga said. "If he had been more seriously injured, we would have taken him in. ... When it (comes to) those type of things, do you keep your child home from school and take him the next morning to the doctor because of a cold or a flu, versus take him into the emergency room? If you don't have a cost difference, you'll make different decisions."
Read more: http://www.mlive.com/news/grand-rapids/index.ssf/2016/12/sons_broken_arm_bill_huizenga.html#incart_river_home_pop
This is how a Michigan REPUBLICAN Congressman wants YOU to HANDLE YOUR CHILD'S HEALTHCARE. Make them suffer from PAIN overnight to "save a few bucks" instead of "pulling out your insurance card" to attend to your child's medical needs.
Talking about "Adding To The Swamp".
guillaumeb
(42,641 posts)possibly causing nerve damage, would Congressman Bill have been so calm?
RKP5637
(67,104 posts)for help when one member needs it. God, the stupidity is beyond belief.
muriel_volestrangler
(101,306 posts)RKP5637
(67,104 posts)UpInArms
(51,280 posts)I thought that was what insurance for!!!
muntrv
(14,505 posts)Like they will cover you in the event of a heart failure, like what I had 5 years ago.
shraby
(21,946 posts)LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)And in Michigan, the Department of Health and Human Services - Children Protective Agency will be talking to the parent that elected to do just this....if they are poor.
One can BET on it.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Will be voting to end the Affordable Care Act, Medicaid and Medicare. Keep wondering how are all of those "Adding to the Swamp" Republicans voting for folks like Huizenga and Trump, feel now?
What Are We Thinking....They Have No Feelings At All....
jpak
(41,757 posts)yup
Turbineguy
(37,319 posts)packman
(16,296 posts)I had what is called a "green bone break" (not broken but some type of fracture) in my leg and the pain was off the wall. This Repuke congressman is not a father nor one that has any empathy.
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)Playing Dodgeball with a Basketball (so much, the wrong thing to do - yet this one was in an eight-year-olds mind). Either way, the pain was off the chart. Still remember it like yesterday.
Cannot imagine if those responsible for my healthcare as a CHILD would have made the outright Cray-Cray decision to "save a few bucks" and make an 8-year-old-child suffer in pain, overnight instead of "pulling out our insurance card".
csziggy
(34,136 posts)That my Mom, an RN, didn't think was more than a bruise because I could move my fingers. Two weeks later when she got tired of my ten year old self whining she took me to the doctor - threatening if it wasn't hurt I'd have to pay the bill out of my allowance ( a whole quarter a week back in 1962).
When the doctor came in with the X-ray and showed her the break, she was upset but the doctor was furious. He lectured her about ignoring my pain and gave her a really hard time. Mom was seriously upset and embarrassed - that was the doctor who had delivered me and who had treated my Dad as a kid.
On the other hand I was a smug little jerk from knowing that my pain had been real but Mom still had little sympathy for me. She was more upset that the bicycle which had survived both my older sisters was bent up and not usable any more.
Edited to add - this Republican in the OP would approve of how I "cared" for my husband. Thanksgiving morning he had a bad stomach ache. I offered to take him to the ER but he refused and I didn't insist. It turned out his appendix had burst. Taking lessons from my Mom I let him hurt for a week - he kept saying he felt better - before taking him to the doctor. By that time he had several locations of infection throughout his abdomen and ended up in the hospital with three tubes draining the infections out.
My husband is better now - the infections are gone and in a couple of months he'll have to go in for outpatient surgery to remove his appendix. But he could have died from my non-insistence on getting him to care. Part of our reluctance was going into the generally overloaded ER on a holiday morning, and part was concern for cost even with insurance. But it would have cost less and been less of a risk if I had hauled him into the ER on Thanksgiving morning!
yellowcanine
(35,699 posts)This guy is a dumbass. Depending on the type of break surgery could be required. An ER doctor should be making those decisions, not some dumbass congressman with a political agenda.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)How dare he and his poor excuse for a wife play games with their child's healthcare like that.
Me.
(35,454 posts)How the arm became broken in the first place.
colsohlibgal
(5,275 posts)They want to privatize it all and thus suck all the money up from the common folk.
Vouchers are their dream, here's your $35 for the year for health care.
Profit should not be a part of health care. It wasn't when I was really young. You had worker bees and a few bosses making somewhat more. Nobody was sucking 100s of millions out of the equation. It is sick beyond belief.
lastlib
(23,213 posts)Take the for-profit insurers OUT of making health-care decisions!
potone
(1,701 posts)And the mentality behind it is just sick. Imagine doing this to your own child when you had insurance coverage and the money to pay for any deductible. That poor boy! I hope he grew up healthy and got as far away from his father as possible.
musette_sf
(10,200 posts)lastlib
(23,213 posts)NOT F*ckin' elected to CONGRESS, FFS!!
dembotoz
(16,799 posts)instead she went to urgent care....turns out her cold was turning into full blown pneumonia....
they talked about putting her in the hospital....
needless to say my stock value as a husband took a really big hit....don't think it ever really recovered....
read some places that obama care proved to be more expensive than planned because folks who had put off going to a doctor
due to expense found out they were sicker than they thought...or perhaps as sick as they feared.
MANative
(4,112 posts)Abuse is probably more accurate.
musette_sf
(10,200 posts)treestar
(82,383 posts)SMDH.
hamsterjill
(15,220 posts)Yes, it is his and his wife's business as to how many children they have, but perhaps five is too many for this particular couple to look after properly.
It is NOT acceptable for a child to wait overnight to go to a doctor when that child has a broken bone.
smirkymonkey
(63,221 posts)I feel sorry for the children they already have for having such cruel bastards for parents.
roamer65
(36,745 posts)karynnj
(59,501 posts)Do any doctors here know if NOT treating the arm to immobalize it could make it harder to repair or lead to greater damage? I know my youngest daughter was in substantial pain when she fractured her wrist when she was 8 years old. I could not image telling her to wait until the morning.
Poor little kid.
yodermon
(6,143 posts)This is actually *worse* in a way: you must self-administer health care up to and including splinting your child's possibly-broken arm to save money for the poor impoverished health care providers.
arithia
(455 posts)TexasBushwhacker
(20,174 posts)the arm may have had to be rebroken and reset, which would have cost MORE (whether they paid it or their insurance did).
no_hypocrisy
(46,080 posts)It's supposed to be a pool of money that applicants pay into and maybe never take out of. But it allows people their mortality and their dignity by avoiding bankruptcy and permanent disability by its very existence.
Auntie Bush
(17,528 posts)turbinetree
(24,695 posts)I have some questions there idiot , I was going to call you brainiyak, but you just don't quite make it above the level of S*** coming out of you mouth.
Have you ever gone into ****ing cardic arrest, while you are having a heart attack, there dip****?
Do think, I should have waited until the next ****ing day, just to make sure that I was in ****ing pain ass****, so that I could save a ****ing buck? While I was withering on the floor like a dead fish gasping for air and screaming about the pain and wanting it to stop dick****. And then when the medics got there I had died twice once in the house and once on the way to the hospital, and then waking up and not knowing what the hell happened, because dip*** you don't know, your life is a complete blank.
Do you know dip**** what you see when you go into a cardiac arrest, well let me give you a clue, you don't see angels, you don't see a ****ing light at the end of a tunnel you are ****ing dead.
So why don't you come over to my house and will have a discussion about saving a buck!!!!
And then we can discuss why your being paid from the tough of the taxpayers to be a complete ass****
So F* ass**** and the ****ing horse you road in on, you are total embarrassment to what constitutes as compassion in your fascists party, and its not having any ----------------------none, zilch, nada,
And has soon a human beings start calling you what you are, a ****Ing that better off they will be and this country has as whole, your a con
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)turbinetree
(24,695 posts)That is just remarkable that this jerk can just come out and say that without any push back, the media reporters should have looked at him and said, what I just said, and see and hear what he has to say , and then said you really don't belong in Congress making decision about people and healthcare, you are dangerous
I think I will forward my comments to this jerk, and Not get any response, because he has none, the spineless chicken ****
To you a big:
LovingA2andMI
(7,006 posts)And Thank You, Again.
People like this deserve NO PLACE in Government, making decisions for other people and citizens....Period!
ghostsinthemachine
(3,569 posts)To save a few bucks? Gotta shop around.
Will we get menus? Take one from each section...
napi21
(45,806 posts)ASAP. Children heal much quicker than adults and old people. His break could have begun to heal BEFORE the pros had a chance to set it properly. The other thing is broken bones HURT LIKE H***! I know from a first hand from a broken femur. I had fallen one evening. I too decided I would wait until the next day to avoid the ER. After several hours with the pain getting worse and worse, I decided there waiting was not an option. The man in the OP didn't mention his son's pain, probably because $$ seems more important than human welfare.
It's the job of an entire staff at insurance people whose job it is to make sure unnecessary tests aren't done. It's not HIS JOB! His job is take care of is family!
roamer65
(36,745 posts)Loryn
(943 posts)Could be fatal, but let's wait and see.
Fool.
unblock
(52,196 posts)they gave him *nothing* for the pain. only versed, an amnesiac (it sedates a bit as well, but the primary use here was as an amnesiac).
in other words, this kid was in agony *before* they started setting his arm. words can do no justice to the blood-curdling screams through tears this poor kid let out over the course of the 8 minutes it took to properly set and reset his arm.
of course, he didn't remember a thing, so we're all supposed to figure it's all right.
right?
personally, i refuse to take versed. i think it (and its common use in medicine) is evil. they should manage pain, not keep you from remembering what they did to you.
niyad
(113,259 posts)overnight for some kind of treatment.
you are a complete asshole, and an unfit, abusive parent. I hope to hell CPS pays you and your family an unannounced visit. I am pretty sure they will find some very nasty things going on.
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Runningdawg
(4,516 posts)as he steps into his first voting booth.
Tikki
(14,557 posts)The kid was weak and needed to be toughened up over night. The parent likes kids who don't break their arms.
or
The kid was messing around and broke his arm and the parent wanted him to suffer over night to teach a lesson.
These scenarios would be sad, but crazy, cruel parents and all do exist.
Tikki
LisaL
(44,973 posts)Broken bone could sever an artery and the kid could have bled to death while papa waited for a cheaper version.
Warpy
(111,245 posts)When a bone is broken through and displaced, the muscles around it begin to tense and shorten. Likely setting the bone the next day was much worse than it should have been because this callous shithead left his kid in agony overnight.
The doctor should have called CPS on him.
Txbluedog
(1,128 posts)either the child never had a broken arm or if he did he was airlifted to the best hospital in the state within a hour or breaking it
haele
(12,647 posts)If anything bad happened to him, it would have been "Gawd's will" anyway, right?
There was a cousin of my great-grandmother who had to have her arm amputated near the elbow for a "simple fracture or bad sprain" back in 1904 or so.
No protruding bones and the arm didn't seem bent out of shape so they just put her arm in a sling, according to the letter I read, but maybe there were a couple chips or jagged edge nicked a blood vessel or something, and a few days later she ended up gangrene.
If they hadn't rushed her to a surgeon and had her arm cut off when they noticed her hand and wrist turning blue - and she had lost all feeling, she probably would have died.
Haele
procon
(15,805 posts)his own political creds? Where is child services, and what happened to the mother that she would allow her children to be tortured! He's got 5 kids, and you have to think that they are paying the price for this fiend's nutty ideological beliefs.
handmade34
(22,756 posts)to get an appointment with a doctor on short notice... most of us have to go to the emergency room or WAIT!!
LeftyMom
(49,212 posts)Last week I had a pretty minor scratch from an animal bite. Tried to do a drop-in at my doctor because it's closer and I didn't want to be at the ER all day just getting antibiotics. Nope, off to the ER they sent me.
They certainly aren't going to set a bone.
duffyduff
(3,251 posts)He and his wife should have been prosecuted.
GWC58
(2,678 posts)If that had been my 11 year old insurance is the last thing I'd have been thinking about! Getting him care ASAP is what I'd do. Then again most "loving" parents don't care about cost. I know I wouldn't!!! I salute you, Mr. Cost conscious Rethuglican Congressman, this 🖕🏻is just for you. PS Hope your son didn't suffer needlessly because of YOU!!
Ilsa
(61,694 posts)Denzil_DC
(7,232 posts)you'd be liable for a felony for neglect of suffering.
Aside from the pain and possibility of medical complications, a serious break will inevitably lead to a degree of shock (I speak from experience).
I badly broke one of my toes a couple of years ago, and reluctantly opted not to go the ER on a Saturday night (not because of cost - I'm in the UK, where we don't have to worry about such things - but because organizing transport was difficult, the queues would have been too long and it would have been too chaotic), waiting till next morning to get attention. It was a very uncomfortable and worrying night, and by the time I got there, the swelling and bruising made it harder to treat, leading to a permanent injury.