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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:02 PM Dec 2016

Hillary Clinton won the popular vote by nearly 2.9 million

Source: International Business Times

The Electoral College began voting Monday, and barring some unforeseen, unprecedented move from the electors, it will confirm Donald Trump as the president-elect of the United States. But even as that vote takes place, Democratic nominee Hillary Clinton earned some 2.9 million more total votes than Trump.

The latest count from a Cook Political Report analysis, had Clinton at 65,844,594 votes, compared to 62,979,616 for Trump. That's a difference of 2.86 million votes. In all, 48.2 percent of the electorate voted for Clinton, while 46.1 percent voted for Trump.

Interestingly, a large number of Americans seemingly remain confused or uninformed about the election results. A Washington Post poll released Sunday found 52 percent of Republicans, and 29 percent of all Americans, thought Trump won the popular vote.

In fact, Trump won the presidency through the Electoral College system, with victories in key swing states such as Pennsylvania, Ohio, Michigan and Wisconsin. He earned 306 electoral votes to Clinton's 232. The former secretary of state garnered the large popular vote lead through lopsided victories highly populous states such as New York and California.

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Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2016/12/hillary-clinton-won-the-popular-vote-by-nearly-2-9-million/

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tenorly

(2,037 posts)
1. And let's face it: in at least two of three recount states, she was robbed outright.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:08 PM
Dec 2016

Does anyone seriously believe that Snotty Bown and Waterboy didn't engage in the most electoral fraud they thought they could get a way with?

still_one

(92,130 posts)
2. Obviously, California the West Coast and the Northeast don't count. They aren't
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:14 PM
Dec 2016

the "real America"



At least according to the scam that is the electoral college


citood

(550 posts)
3. History of electoral college
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:47 PM
Dec 2016

This website gives a great insight into what was considered a 'large' or 'small' state in any given year:

https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:ElectoralCollege1792-Large.png

An interesting wrinkle in the electoral college is the 'Reapportionment Act of 1929', which sets the 435 congressional seats we know today (plus 100 senators and 3 for DC = the electoral college). This has had a dramatic effect on the power of rural states in congress and presidential elections ever since.




hughee99

(16,113 posts)
6. Of course they count. Clinton got most of her Electoral votes from those states.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:00 PM
Dec 2016

If they didn't count, Trump would have won in a massive electoral landslide.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
13. The states count for more, the individual voters count for less (voters per EV vote),
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 11:29 PM
Dec 2016

and it's winner take all in most places so winning a state by 1 vote is the same as winning by 2 million.

Look, I don't like the system either, but lets not pretend, after the fact, that Clinton and her team didn't know exactly how the electoral college works or that we were blindsided by an unforeseen technicality. If the popular vote was what mattered, both candidates would have had VERY different campaign schedules.

hughee99

(16,113 posts)
15. I agree on that.
Tue Dec 20, 2016, 03:07 AM
Dec 2016

I'm not sure that a national popular vote is the way to go, but at the very least, the number of voters per EV should be close to uniform across the states. I don't believe they can do this without adding more EV's though. Whatever they do, I think it's probably going to require a constitutional amendment. I don't think having states pledge themselves to cast their EV's for the popular vote winner is going to work.

jaxind

(1,074 posts)
4. Every.Single.Time...
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 06:49 PM
Dec 2016

Every single time, there is even mention in the media about Trump saying he won by a landslide, the media must say "it was NOT a landslide" and explain why!

 

Coyotl

(15,262 posts)
8. They need to be constantly reminded.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:27 PM
Dec 2016

But don't expect to see or hear it on the propaganda streams.

 

EL34x4

(2,003 posts)
12. Trump got more votes in California than in those same combined twelve states.
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 09:09 PM
Dec 2016

I've never understood the point of that graphic.

MrPurple

(985 posts)
10. Greater popularmargin than Bush beat Kerry, Carter beat Ford, Nixon beat Humphrey, or JFK beat Nixon
Mon Dec 19, 2016, 07:31 PM
Dec 2016

What's maddening is that a minority of votes are going to usher in such drastic, irrational, corrupt changes.

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