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mahatmakanejeeves

(57,314 posts)
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:41 PM Dec 2016

Troubled Coal-Fired Plant Could Get New Lifeline

Source: The Wall Street Journal.

Troubled Coal-Fired Plant Could Get New Lifeline

Congress weighs tax-credit incentives that could benefit Southern Co. project

By Rebecca Smith

rebecca.smith@wsj.com

Updated Dec. 21, 2016 10:47 a.m. ET

The most expensive fossil-fuel power plant ever built in the U.S. could soon get a financial lifeline thanks to President-elect Donald Trump, who has signaled interest in clean-coal initiatives as a way to preserve mining jobs.

Buoyed by Mr. Trumps enthusiasm for the U.S. coal industry, several congressional proposals seek to boost tax breaks for facilities that can capture carbon dioxide, a dangerous greenhouse gas that is a byproduct of fossil-fuel combustion, and offer it to the oil industry for injection underground to stimulate production. The biggest winnerat least initiallycould be Southern Co.s Kemper County, Miss., power plant, a facility designed to capture about 65% of its carbon-dioxide emissions and sell it to oil companies, which use it to help extract crude from wells.

Construction and technology snafus have doubled the cost of the Kemper project since it was approved in 2010, to nearly $7 billion. The power plant is scheduled to achieve full commercial operation early next year.

Read more: http://www.wsj.com/articles/troubled-coal-fired-plant-could-get-new-lifeline-1482321602



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Troubled Coal-Fired Plant Could Get New Lifeline (Original Post) mahatmakanejeeves Dec 2016 OP
How forward looking hibbing Dec 2016 #1
In the article it says it can capture the carbon that happens in coal mines yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #4
Thanks hibbing Dec 2016 #5
Have a good one! I do it all the time!!!!! yeoman6987 Dec 2016 #8
Th main thing hurting coal right now is it is not cost competitive. yellowcanine Dec 2016 #9
Entropy briv1016 Dec 2016 #10
Except the CO2 is used to extract more oil from old oil fields NickB79 Dec 2016 #13
Oh, great news packman Dec 2016 #2
To be accurate, briv1016 Dec 2016 #11
It will make no difference. Scruffy1 Dec 2016 #3
That's why they are subsidized. briv1016 Dec 2016 #12
another giant welfare scam to save an obsolete industry. nt msongs Dec 2016 #6
I remember reading about this exboyfil Dec 2016 #7
 

yeoman6987

(14,449 posts)
4. In the article it says it can capture the carbon that happens in coal mines
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:15 PM
Dec 2016

The main objection to using coal is carbon dioxide and if we find a solution to that then really there is no objecting the use of coal.

yellowcanine

(35,694 posts)
9. Th main thing hurting coal right now is it is not cost competitive.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:31 PM
Dec 2016

Factoring in the costs of the subsidies/tax credits this makes coal less cost competitive with other forms of energy. Plus there are other things in coal which need to be "scrubbed out" such as sulfur, adding even more costs. Not clear how this is progress.

NickB79

(19,224 posts)
13. Except the CO2 is used to extract more oil from old oil fields
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:16 PM
Dec 2016

Which kinda defeats the purpose altogether of reducing carbon emissions.

 

packman

(16,296 posts)
2. Oh, great news
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 02:59 PM
Dec 2016

Tax break for coal power plants capturing 65% ( leaving us with a meager 35% - damn them) and selling it to oil companies so they can frack, frack, and frack some more. Living in wonderful times.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
11. To be accurate,
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:13 PM
Dec 2016

the coal industry mostly uses mountain top removal techniques which result in surface water pollution. Wouldn't want to miscategorize the devistation to come.

Scruffy1

(3,252 posts)
3. It will make no difference.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:01 PM
Dec 2016

At the current natural gas prices no one is going to build a new coal plant. The maintenance costs on coal plants are much higher than natural gas plants and I would assume the maintenance costs of a co capturing plant would be even higher than a standard plant.

briv1016

(1,570 posts)
12. That's why they are subsidized.
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 04:16 PM
Dec 2016

Have to make sure all sectors of the carbon industry get a piece of the pie.

exboyfil

(17,862 posts)
7. I remember reading about this
Wed Dec 21, 2016, 03:23 PM
Dec 2016

$7B will buy a hell of lot of solar panels.

Who allows a 3X cost overrun. The Obama administration should have collected some scalps on this one.

Actually the agreement was signed during Bush's administration.

https://energy.gov/articles/doe-awards-235-million-southern-company-build-clean-coal-plant

Here is a story on why the overruns.
http://www.nytimes.com/2016/07/05/science/kemper-coal-mississippi.html?_r=0


Capacity at completion is 524 MW.

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