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n2doc

(47,953 posts)
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 07:41 PM Dec 2016

Texas judge halts federal transgender health protections

Source: AP

AUSTIN, Texas (AP) — A federal judge in Texas on Saturday ordered a halt to another Obama administration effort to strengthen transgender rights, this time over health rules that social conservatives say could force doctors to violate their religious beliefs.

U.S. District Judge Reed O'Connor granted a temporary injunction stopping federal health officials from enforcing rules that are intended to ban discrimination by doctors and hospitals against transgender persons.

O'Connor wrote in a 46-page ruling that the rules "likely violate" the Religious Freedom Restoration Act and "places substantial pressure on Plaintiffs to perform and cover transition and abortion procedures."

Transgender rights advocates have called that a far-fetched hypothetical, saying a person would not approach a doctor who lacked suitable experience and expertise.

Read more: https://apnews.com/030eb949b217439e82c8a008b225c8bb/Texas-judge-halts-federal-transgender-health-protections

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Texas judge halts federal transgender health protections (Original Post) n2doc Dec 2016 OP
One more step toward theocracy. old guy Dec 2016 #1
Yep...Shameful nt iluvtennis Dec 2016 #3
Many don't realize the magnitude of this Judge's action Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #12
IF Republicans had their way they would bring yuiyoshida Jan 2017 #16
The Hippocratic Oath is doctors' religion bucolic_frolic Dec 2016 #2
Some medical groups/institutions are religiously based (and funded). Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #6
1 in 6 hospital beds in America are Catholic owned or partnered Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #15
For chrissakes, nobody is going to their GP for reassignment surgery... Yurovsky Dec 2016 #4
But they are demanding hormones, and GPs commonly do prescribe the types of meds used. Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #7
"as opposed to trying to create and maintain an unnatural balance" psst. Your bias is showing. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #17
Just another advocate for theocracy atreides1 Dec 2016 #5
Read the ruling here - it is not about theocracy, but about law Yo_Mama Dec 2016 #10
Then don't fucking be doctors! geomon666 Dec 2016 #8
It was originally a result of the War on Drugs - Native Americans couldn't use peyote legally. Crash2Parties Jan 2017 #18
Dangerous ruling: anti-discrimination laws fall before personal religious opinion Crash2Parties Dec 2016 #9
b/c states rights are more important than human rights juxtaposed Dec 2016 #11
Good lord.... joewicker_TX Jan 2017 #13
What do actual doctors say? Grins Jan 2017 #14

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
12. Many don't realize the magnitude of this Judge's action
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 12:36 AM
Jan 2017

Back when the ADA (Americans with Disabilities Act) was passed, rabidly conservative Christian Senator Jesse Helms inserted a last-minute, after-the-fact amendment to the already passed bill. It equated transgender people to rapists, kleptomaniacs and other nasties and categorically excluded them from the ADA. The ADA of course became law. Whole sections of it though were copied boilerplate into other protection / anti-discrimination laws downstream, including the transphobic paragraph. And from those downstream laws, the insurance companies picked up on it and added it to nearly every health insurance policy in the nation. As recently as 8-9 years ago if you checked, it was a sure bet that your health care policy excluded transgender people. Not just for surgery or hormones, either; that exclusion was regularly used to deny them coverage for any health care. Broken arms, high blood pressure, emergency room care; you name it, the insurance companies denied it.

The ACA changed all that. It had a section that prohibited excluding coverage simply because someone was transgender.

This judge has taken that away. Health care for trans people has potentially just been regressed back to the days of Jesse Helms.

This is where we as a nation are headed; trans people are the canary in the coal mine, and have been for some time.

yuiyoshida

(41,831 posts)
16. IF Republicans had their way they would bring
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 02:35 PM
Jan 2017

back the Spanish Inquisition and return to Witch Burning.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
15. 1 in 6 hospital beds in America are Catholic owned or partnered
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 02:24 PM
Jan 2017

And yes, care decisions are very much - and overtly, proudly - made based on Canon and dogma rather than best medical practices or protocols. Women's health care is another excellent example of such.

Yurovsky

(2,064 posts)
4. For chrissakes, nobody is going to their GP for reassignment surgery...
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 08:52 PM
Dec 2016

this is mind-bogglingly stupid. I guess I better get used to shit like this for the next 4 years.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
7. But they are demanding hormones, and GPs commonly do prescribe the types of meds used.
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:39 PM
Dec 2016

In the case of GPs, more of them probably don't want to get into this because they don't feel competent than for any other reason, but the reg would allow a suit against them if they refused.

It's a bad reg and I am glad the judge halted it.

Put yourself in the position of a GP who will prescribe testosterone/alderone blockers within the parameters with which he/she is comfortable and for which there exist widely used guidelines.

There's a massive medical difference between correcting a natural imbalance as opposed to trying to create and maintain an unnatural balance that doesn't do that much harm to the patient. If you don't know what you are doing and don't feel competent to do it, it is idiotic for the federal government to claim that you are discriminating against someone for not providing a treatment that you believe you are not competent to provide.

Their education and the body of data/guidelines built up are aimed at restoring/maintaining natural function. They don't have all that much experience and/or resources for another application.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
17. "as opposed to trying to create and maintain an unnatural balance" psst. Your bias is showing.
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 02:46 PM
Jan 2017

Last edited Sun Jan 1, 2017, 03:22 PM - Edit history (1)

In addition to 20+ brain sites and certain skeletal sites, most trans people also have endocrine sites (think:receptors) that appear to a) be sex-dimorphic and b) developed opposite expectations based on sex assigned at birth. In other words, their bodies including their brains really do work better on the hormones that match identity not assignment, as shown by a better regulated serotonin system.

A GP would not perform a rhinoplasty; nor should they do the job of an endocrinologist. That's what referrals are for. But it is very possible for a GP to do a good job of managing a trans person's endocrine levels, and many do so out of necessity of there being no knowledgeable endo available. The biggest hurdle to formalizing such care is getting hormones moved from off-label to on-label. But even without that step, the Endocrine Society has already formalized the care of trans people including such fine points as noting conditions that would preclude hormone treatment, which blood chemistry should be monitored, and what the target ranges should be. Those can easily be managed by a GP with little or no risk - and are on a regular basis worldwide.



atreides1

(16,070 posts)
5. Just another advocate for theocracy
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:22 PM
Dec 2016

Judge Reed O'Connor is just another puppet for the Christian radicals, an advocate for a theocracy...the fact that he ruled in favor of religious rights, over civil and equal rights, without even trying to find a balance, shows that he is already in the pockets of Christian radicals!!!

His own religious beliefs have tainted his ability to make rational judgements, on the rights of all Americans...in my non-binding, non-legal opinion!!!

geomon666

(7,512 posts)
8. Then don't fucking be doctors!
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:39 PM
Dec 2016

Religious Freedom Restoration Act, what a bunch of fucking horseshit. Religious freedoms never went away, so how in the fuck can they be restored? Call it what it is, Religion-Based Discrimination. That's what the ACLU calls it and that's what I'm calling it because that's what it is.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
18. It was originally a result of the War on Drugs - Native Americans couldn't use peyote legally.
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 03:29 PM
Jan 2017

But it was part of their religion, so back in the early 90's the RFRA was passed to protect them. More recently the GOP apparently realized they could use it to claim that their "religious beliefs" - however spurious - should also then be granted a status above the laws that everyone else must follow. Also, see Hobby Lobby & Citizen's United.

The problem is that since our war against the "godless communists" post WWII, religion has been granted numerous exceptions from the laws everyone else must follow, ranging from anti-discrimination to financial transparency. The latter was gleaned by the GOP as a wonderful way to move money without any trail. From there they learned that there is an entire block of the population that has been raised since birth to blindly follow the perceived-strongest authority without question, and any inconsistencies are to be ignored via cognitive dissonance.

Crash2Parties

(6,017 posts)
9. Dangerous ruling: anti-discrimination laws fall before personal religious opinion
Sat Dec 31, 2016, 09:52 PM
Dec 2016

Between this and Hobby Lobby, it can be argued that a person's (or Corporate Person's) "sincerely held religious belief" - in other words, their opinion that day, should be granted a higher status than the laws that everyone else must follow.

This is an extremely dangerous road for us to be walking.

Grins

(7,205 posts)
14. What do actual doctors say?
Sun Jan 1, 2017, 10:27 AM
Jan 2017
"...social conservatives say could force doctors to violate their religious beliefs."

What do actual doctors say? And didn't they take an oath....?

Enough of this "religious belief" crap. It has nothing to do with belief, it is a form of coercion.
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