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DonViejo

(60,536 posts)
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 12:16 PM Feb 2017

No rise yet in deportation of Mexicans from US under Trump administration: foreign minister

Source: Reuters



13 FEB 2017 AT 10:55 ET

Mexico’s Foreign Minister Luis Videgaray said on Monday there has not been a rise yet in the number of deportations of Mexicans from the United States under President Donald Trump, but that consulates were receiving more worried phone calls.

Videgaray said in a television interview that the number of deported Mexicans was following the same trends as last year, and was even slightly lower.

He said Mexican consulates in the United States have received at least three times as many daily phone calls from worried citizens there as before news of possible ramped-up deportations under Trump.

“It’s grown exponentially,” said Videgaray, adding that people were calling with questions, complaints and worries about the process rather than because of the number of raids.

Read more: http://www.rawstory.com/2017/02/no-rise-yet-in-deportation-of-mexicans-from-us-under-trump-administration-foreign-minister/

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randr

(12,409 posts)
1. We have a substantial number of Mexican families near me
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 12:21 PM
Feb 2017

and I was told today that ICE is knocking on doors and taking who ever comes to the door in some instances. Rural Colorado. Once these people enter the system the conditions are horrible. Over a thousand people awaiting disposition in Denver without proper health, food, or legal care.

randr

(12,409 posts)
4. I can not figure out how to print the image
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 12:42 PM
Feb 2017

and thanks, I will spread them as soon as I can figure the printing out

pangaia

(24,324 posts)
3. Are they US Citizens?
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 12:40 PM
Feb 2017

Do they have green cards?
Are they here legally?

"Cause have a Mexican friend, 30 years old, with dual citizenship.. has lived in the US since about 1996.

Wants to go back to Jalisco to visit family for a couple weeks..
She's very worried..may not go...

randr

(12,409 posts)
5. I have a good friend without a card
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 12:44 PM
Feb 2017

He fell between the Reagan amnesty and the Obama reprieve and is in limbo.

grantcart

(53,061 posts)
12. A lot of misinformation here
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 05:28 AM
Feb 2017

My wife is a foreign national. I have hundreds of ICE officers as clients. I have been in refugee and detention facilities all over the world. I have been in ICE detention facilities in the US.

1) ICE has never, even under the worst days of Bush, gone door to door looking for undocumented aliens. If they approach a door its because they have probable cause that a criminal alien is living there. The major difference now is that under Obama ICE would only take the criminal aliens while now ICE will pick up all the illegals, even if they have been living here for a long time and never committed any crime.

2) Previously, under Bush ICE did conduct random sweeps into neighborhoods to pick people up.

http://www.immigrationnation.net/articles/more_than_1100_arrested_in_ca_immigration_sweep.html

ICE agents still have to have probable cause and the technique that they use is to have undercover agents (maybe half of ICE agents are naturalized citizens) congregate in public places and strike up a conversation with someone. They would say something like "Hey didn't you go to high school in X City." Once a person responds it is easy for an ICE agent to get probably cause to ask further questions based on accent and statements made.

The most important advice for people who are undocumented (like my son in law) is not to answer questions posed by strangers. ICE agents must have probable cause and if someone doesn't respond there is no probable cause.

3) ICE detention facilities are clean and much better facilities than most US jails. There is a very large number that are taken to medical facilities for care, especially after they are picked up. They are all offered legal representations.

Most people being deported are recent arrivals. They know that they have no chance of staying and want to go back as fast as possible but they have to appear before a judge with attorneys. Usually they go in groups of 20 and there are several prosecutors and defense attorneys but only one interpreter who has to interpret each element to each migrant.

The elements of the proceeding follow the same allocution procedure you see on Law and Order. Each defendant has to be told that they could be sentenced to jail, that they have a right to a trial, etc. All of them just want to go back but they have to allocate.

They also have to explain how they entered the country. This usually causes the most confusion because the migrant can't remember, or was confused, or is trying not to get somebody in trouble.

The last time I was in an ICE detention facility I had to wait half an hour because an inmate complained that the phone company was overcharging on the service. The officer I was supposed to meet with had to go through three months of phone calls and found that indeed the phone company had overcharged the inmate $ 5.35.

Again most people in detention facilities under Obama are people caught near the border after just jumping the fence and want to go back as soon as possible.

Here is the contact information about the Detention Facility in Denver. Every inmate is assigned a defense attorney and many of them can be bonded out prior to final deportation adjudication.

https://www.ice.gov/detention-facility/denver-contract-detention-facility

4) Over a 4 year period over 100,000 people who were here illegally were released by ICE, even though they had no legal right to be here:



https://www.ice.gov/detention-facility/denver-contract-detention-facility

ICE responded with the records this year. Some highlights:

• Just over half of the 105,632 releases involved Mexicans. El Salvador, Guatemala and Honduras are the native countries for the second, third and fourth largest groups, respectively.

• Nationally, the largest share of convictions – nearly 40 percent — involved traffic offenses, including driving under the influence. There were also 10,731 convictions for assault; 890 for sexual assault, including rape; 473 for homicide-related offenses; and 375 for kidnapping.

• The largest number of releases from a single detention center – 3,712 — happened at the Adelanto Detention Facility northeast of Los Angeles. The South Texas Detention Complex located southwest of San Antonio had the second largest number at 3,390.



The only complaint I could find about the detention facility was by this woman who was angry that the guard told her to take her phone to her car and she had come by bicycle. The person who told her she couldn't put the phone in a locker (provided for visitors so that all of the prohibited items like phones, wallets and gum go into a locker and you get it back when you leave). The person who told her she couldn't leave the phone was a contracted private guard and when she asked to speak with the ICE officer she was told that she could leave the phone. I think if her relative was not getting food, medicine or legal services she would not be shy to share it. Fact is illegal aliens get much better health care than I do.

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
6. The construction, hospitality, horticulture & personal services sectors are looking at 4 lean years
Mon Feb 13, 2017, 12:44 PM
Feb 2017

And, irony or ironies, we all know how most of those in charge of those sectors vote.

haele

(12,646 posts)
10. No, they'll just bring in Eastern Europeans and the ethnic Russians to replace Latinos
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:31 AM
Feb 2017

The ones Putin's Russia doesn't need because they aren't ethnically pure.
They'll be happy to work to turn their megar paycheck over to a trafficker. Better than being sent to Siberia or the 'Stans, or impressed as cannon fodder for the New Russian Order.

Haele

tenorly

(2,037 posts)
11. Possibly. It is after all how Cheeto built the Trump Tower in the early '80s.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:50 AM
Feb 2017

And they certainly wouldn't hurt Republican eyes as much, no doubt about that.

Yo_Mama

(8,303 posts)
14. No. There is massive disinformation/rumors about sweeps, but in fact nothing abnormal.
Tue Feb 14, 2017, 12:34 PM
Feb 2017

The long and factual post in this thread is correct. They are looking for criminals. There has't been more activity as far as I can see, but rumors about it have overwhelmed the reality.

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